2022-2023 PARCC Data Released

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

DP, but in very wealthy areas, rich parents send their kids to private, so that removes a segment of the "very rich" IB folks

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

The nitpicking about an extra % of at-risk and extra couple of points in 4 or 5 scores is plain dumb. It is bored parents with nothing better to do. PARCC is a dumb test. It doesn't articulate real differences. It is at best a binary baseline of whether kids are close to where they need to be. The idea that an extra % here or there matters is silly.

As I said above (and the SJW warriors pounced) for most parents the PARCC percentages are useful to tell us whether our kid is going to be surrounded by a bunch of kids well below grade level. That type of environment means a kid at or above will be ignored and we know that behavioral problems correlate to kids well behind grade level. I don't want my kid that environment. The only parents who think that doesn't matter have kids in lower ES. By the time your kid gets to MS or HS these things matter. It's why for all the talk from the SJW crew, they won't send their kids to Eastern to be with 93% of kids below grade level.

P.S. It is also why black folks with means won't send their kids to schools where high percentages of black kids are well below grade level. Sure, my wife and I are law firm partners and make a million bucks a year, but the teachers and parents (read: DCUM) see a black face and assume my kid is below grade level and a problem. The same mentality that has white folks secretly saying "I'm ok with the school because 90% of white folks are a 4 or 5" has black folks refusing to send their kids to schools where the inverse is true.

I will now sit back and wait for white folks to explain to me why I don't understand the importance of educating my back kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I do a FERPA request for my kid’s score?

I suppose, if you want to be extra. Is there a reason you need it right away?

Yes because it tells me how my kid is doing in math and whether he needs tutoring. Also the schools have this data and make placement decisions based on it, so parents ought to have access to it at the same time. This is my kids data.

You have plenty of other assessments that tell you how your child is doing in math. We don't use this data in anyway for placement. Relax

Our school absolutely uses PARCC for placement. They told me that. And it’s just wrong not to give the data to parents. PARCC is a huge use of resources for DCPS and takes up weeks of the school year.

The data is given to parents. The schools received the embargoed data a week ago to vet, make appeals, etc. Yesterday, citywide information was released along with spreadsheets showing city, DCPS, charter LEA and school level results. The individual student home reports won't be received by schools until a week or two from now and that's when they will start going out to parents.

I would be very interested in hearing if there are schools who received the embargoed data a week ago and made changes to a student's placement based on PARCC when school starts on Monday. There may be some that are doing so but seems unlikely.

They used the prior year’s scores and placement decisions are still being made. And more importantly it’s my own child’s data and it informs me about his needs. If schools immediately sent the reports as soon as they got them maybe I wouldn’t care, but there is no uniform policy. DCPS central should put them on ASPEN as soon as they get them. In the meantime, FERPA exists for a reason, so I’ll use it.

Yes, FERPA should provide a 45 day turnaround and if it's for the information that school's have right now, you'll get the PARCC level and a scale score. The home reports that schools receive in September will give you more information.

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.

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So, I have a white kid who's doing real well in middle school, not one of the heavily white ones, and this kid is doing well despite being 'surrounded' by kids who don't.

So I sympathize with the above but nothing about it is guaranteed, peer pressure and teaching to the cohort schools actually get is a thing - BUT - you stick your kid in St. Albans you get one thing and another at Brookland or wherever - nothing about cohort guarantees success or failure.

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

The nitpicking about an extra % of at-risk and extra couple of points in 4 or 5 scores is plain dumb. It is bored parents with nothing better to do. PARCC is a dumb test. It doesn't articulate real differences. It is at best a binary baseline of whether kids are close to where they need to be. The idea that an extra % here or there matters is silly.

As I said above (and the SJW warriors pounced) for most parents the PARCC percentages are useful to tell us whether our kid is going to be surrounded by a bunch of kids well below grade level. That type of environment means a kid at or above will be ignored and we know that behavioral problems correlate to kids well behind grade level. I don't want my kid that environment. The only parents who think that doesn't matter have kids in lower ES. By the time your kid gets to MS or HS these things matter. It's why for all the talk from the SJW crew, they won't send their kids to Eastern to be with 93% of kids below grade level.

I agree with you about the concern for a kid who is on grade level being in a school where a significant majority are below. It's not that my kid might fall behind, but that they wouldn't be challenged as much as they could be.

But in the middle to upper performance, does it really matter if my kid is at a school in NW with the top 10 scores, but 7% or fewer at risk vs. a different school that doesn't have the best scores, but is mid-pack, and 20% at risk? That's where I don't think it matters as much people think it does.

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.

No, you don't actually have data on the SES of the specific school population for Basis vs. Deal, you have guesses and assumptions. How about take into account that the richest folks in bounds for Deal send their kids to private? Maybe it's more equal than you think. What about take into account people who live in apartments? You simply don't know. I'm not the one gas-lighting here.

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.

Would that be SES for people living in those areas or for the actual student population of the schools?

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.

I think the ask was for whether Basis pulls in a significantly different demographic than Deal. And that is not clear. While Upper NW does have very wealthy families, many of them opt for privates. The families in Basis opted for it. So it might just be a wash as reflected in the percentages of White/black kids and at risk ones. The middle school ELA results are quite similar between the two.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I have a white kid who's doing real well in middle school, not one of the heavily white ones, and this kid is doing well despite being 'surrounded' by kids who don't.

So I sympathize with the above but nothing about it is guaranteed, peer pressure and teaching to the cohort schools actually get is a thing - BUT - you stick your kid in St. Albans you get one thing and another at Brookland or wherever - nothing about cohort guarantees success or failure.

Ummmm.....good for you? Your point is? If you could afford to send your kid to a better school you would.

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.

No, you don't actually have data on the SES of the specific school population for Basis vs. Deal, you have guesses and assumptions. How about take into account that the richest folks in bounds for Deal send their kids to private? Maybe it's more equal than you think. What about take into account people who live in apartments? You simply don't know. I'm not the one gas-lighting here.

[Speechless]. Enrollment data is published. We know IB populations.

Are you: (1) A troll (2) so insecure that you are unable to admit you are confused (3) no bright?

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.

I think the ask was for whether Basis pulls in a significantly different demographic than Deal. And that is not clear. While Upper NW does have very wealthy families, many of them opt for privates. The families in Basis opted for it. So it might just be a wash as reflected in the percentages of White/black kids and at risk ones. The middle school ELA results are quite similar between the two.

THE DATA IT PUBLIC!!!!!!!! In W3 neighborhoods the income (as measured by real estate and other known data) is not skewed by one or 10 high priced homes.

I am done with you all. I am happy to engage in good faith discussions and uneven banter, but when people like you refuse to even acknowledge facts about demographics and wealth in DC there is no point.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I do a FERPA request for my kid’s score?

I suppose, if you want to be extra. Is there a reason you need it right away?

Yes because it tells me how my kid is doing in math and whether he needs tutoring. Also the schools have this data and make placement decisions based on it, so parents ought to have access to it at the same time. This is my kids data.

You have plenty of other assessments that tell you how your child is doing in math. We don't use this data in anyway for placement. Relax

Our school absolutely uses PARCC for placement. They told me that. And it’s just wrong not to give the data to parents. PARCC is a huge use of resources for DCPS and takes up weeks of the school year.

The data is given to parents. The schools received the embargoed data a week ago to vet, make appeals, etc. Yesterday, citywide information was released along with spreadsheets showing city, DCPS, charter LEA and school level results. The individual student home reports won't be received by schools until a week or two from now and that's when they will start going out to parents.

I would be very interested in hearing if there are schools who received the embargoed data a week ago and made changes to a student's placement based on PARCC when school starts on Monday. There may be some that are doing so but seems unlikely.

They used the prior year’s scores and placement decisions are still being made. And more importantly it’s my own child’s data and it informs me about his needs. If schools immediately sent the reports as soon as they got them maybe I wouldn’t care, but there is no uniform policy. DCPS central should put them on ASPEN as soon as they get them. In the meantime, FERPA exists for a reason, so I’ll use it.

Yes, FERPA should provide a 45 day turnaround and if it's for the information that school's have right now, you'll get the PARCC level and a scale score. The home reports that schools receive in September will give you more information.

Ok thanks. I didn’t realize the full home reports haven’t been prepared.

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)

This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.

Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).

We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?

... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.

Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.

Would that be SES for people living in those areas or for the actual student population of the schools?

I get it now. You are a troll who doesn't live in DC. No one who lives here and knows a damn thing about schools would ask whether the population of JKLM, Deal and JR tracks with the catchments. Finnis.