2022-2023 PARCC Data Released

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Anonymous wrote:LEA results embargoed until tomorrow Individual reports in Sept

Well, it says "Public data files will be posted by 2pm on Thursday, August 24th" so I guess we have that to look forward to.

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Anonymous wrote:LEA results embargoed until tomorrow Individual reports in Sept

What is LEA?

LEA is Local Education Agency. DCPS is one and each DC public charter school or network, like KIPP, is one.

https://www.myschooldc.org/faq/key-terms#lea
https://edscape.dc.gov/page/number-leas-and-schools

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

But the attrition level at highschool also may have to do with kids simply not showing up for school. I don't make assumptions that it's just the smart kids dropping PARCC in highschool.

Nonetheless, looking at the trajectory from elemetary school and middle school, it's probably closer to 8/10 or worse. It middle school, it's already 8/10 score 3 or below with most kids taking the test.

Well yes, teenagers can be like that. But really, it's not an assumption that PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. That is just how it is. It's not an assumption. You can look at the OSSE spreadsheet if you want to see precisely how many and what grade level kids took each test. Also, control for grade level. If a 9th grader, say, took Algebra I in 8th grade, so takes Algebra II in 9th but has an off day and only gets a 3, that's not great, but it's also not the case that they're below their grade level. They would only be below grade level if they got a 3 in Algebra I, not Algebra II. See?

Nonetheless, the below grade level results are 8/10 in middle school, so where the PP gets to 6/10 on grade level in highschool, nope don't buy that whatsoever. It's likely the same optimistically or worse, realistically, if test participation rates were as high as they are in lower grades.

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

But the attrition level at highschool also may have to do with kids simply not showing up for school. I don't make assumptions that it's just the smart kids dropping PARCC in highschool.

Nonetheless, looking at the trajectory from elemetary school and middle school, it's probably closer to 8/10 or worse. It middle school, it's already 8/10 score 3 or below with most kids taking the test.

Well yes, teenagers can be like that. But really, it's not an assumption that PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. That is just how it is. It's not an assumption. You can look at the OSSE spreadsheet if you want to see precisely how many and what grade level kids took each test. Also, control for grade level. If a 9th grader, say, took Algebra I in 8th grade, so takes Algebra II in 9th but has an off day and only gets a 3, that's not great, but it's also not the case that they're below their grade level. They would only be below grade level if they got a 3 in Algebra I, not Algebra II. See?

Nonetheless, the below grade level results are 8/10 in middle school, so where the PP gets to 6/10 on grade level in highschool, nope don't buy that whatsoever. It's likely the same optimistically or worse, realistically, if test participation rates were as high as they are in lower grades.

Again, like I said, students can take the PARCC for a class higher than their grade level. So someone can do not-great on the PARCC test that they take and still be above their actual grade level. I made up the 6/10 thing as an estimate, and I don't expect anyone to believe it or not believe it, but do try to understand that the middle school PARCC is also complex to interpret.

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

But the attrition level at highschool also may have to do with kids simply not showing up for school. I don't make assumptions that it's just the smart kids dropping PARCC in highschool.

Nonetheless, looking at the trajectory from elemetary school and middle school, it's probably closer to 8/10 or worse. It middle school, it's already 8/10 score 3 or below with most kids taking the test.

Well yes, teenagers can be like that. But really, it's not an assumption that PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. That is just how it is. It's not an assumption. You can look at the OSSE spreadsheet if you want to see precisely how many and what grade level kids took each test. Also, control for grade level. If a 9th grader, say, took Algebra I in 8th grade, so takes Algebra II in 9th but has an off day and only gets a 3, that's not great, but it's also not the case that they're below their grade level. They would only be below grade level if they got a 3 in Algebra I, not Algebra II. See?

Nonetheless, the below grade level results are 8/10 in middle school, so where the PP gets to 6/10 on grade level in highschool, nope don't buy that whatsoever. It's likely the same optimistically or worse, realistically, if test participation rates were as high as they are in lower grades.

Again, like I said, students can take the PARCC for a class higher than their grade level. So someone can do not-great on the PARCC test that they take and still be above their actual grade level. I made up the 6/10 thing as an estimate, and I don't expect anyone to believe it or not believe it, but do try to understand that the middle school PARCC is also complex to interpret.

You estimate 6 out of 10 as failing math in highschool because your kid, like some smart kids, didn't take the math PARCC. My guess is 8 out of 10 failing math in highschool, following the trend from middle school and accounting for increasing truancy as kids get older (which has been supported by truancy data in the past from DCPS, and would surmise the pandemic made truancy worse).

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will I need to do a privacy act or FERPA records request to get my kid’s results in a reasonable time?

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Anonymous wrote:will I need to do a privacy act or FERPA records request to get my kid’s results in a reasonable time?

No, you will get them in Sept like everyone else

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

But the attrition level at highschool also may have to do with kids simply not showing up for school. I don't make assumptions that it's just the smart kids dropping PARCC in highschool.

Nonetheless, looking at the trajectory from elemetary school and middle school, it's probably closer to 8/10 or worse. It middle school, it's already 8/10 score 3 or below with most kids taking the test.

Well yes, teenagers can be like that. But really, it's not an assumption that PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. That is just how it is. It's not an assumption. You can look at the OSSE spreadsheet if you want to see precisely how many and what grade level kids took each test. Also, control for grade level. If a 9th grader, say, took Algebra I in 8th grade, so takes Algebra II in 9th but has an off day and only gets a 3, that's not great, but it's also not the case that they're below their grade level. They would only be below grade level if they got a 3 in Algebra I, not Algebra II. See?

Nonetheless, the below grade level results are 8/10 in middle school, so where the PP gets to 6/10 on grade level in highschool, nope don't buy that whatsoever. It's likely the same optimistically or worse, realistically, if test participation rates were as high as they are in lower grades.

Again, like I said, students can take the PARCC for a class higher than their grade level. So someone can do not-great on the PARCC test that they take and still be above their actual grade level. I made up the 6/10 thing as an estimate, and I don't expect anyone to believe it or not believe it, but do try to understand that the middle school PARCC is also complex to interpret.

You estimate 6 out of 10 as failing math in highschool because your kid, like some smart kids, didn't take the math PARCC. My guess is 8 out of 10 failing math in highschool, following the trend from middle school and accounting for increasing truancy as kids get older (which has been supported by truancy data in the past from DCPS, and would surmise the pandemic made truancy worse).

Maybe, I really don't know. I suppose it would be possible to create an estimate if you had the real data, and you counted which kids ever got a 4 or a 5 on the Algebra I, Algebra II, or Geometry PARCC as "passing" for their entire high school career. But it's a real drawback of PARCC that we just do not know how so many 11th and 12th graders are doing in math. It's also possible that kids can be truant or never take the PARCC, yet also be on grade level in math-- that might show up if you had access to other testing that the schools do, not sure what. Like if someone does well on the math SAT, it's hard to think they're below grade level even if their PARCC score was bad...

FWIW I don't have a high school age kid at all.

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

But the attrition level at highschool also may have to do with kids simply not showing up for school. I don't make assumptions that it's just the smart kids dropping PARCC in highschool.

Nonetheless, looking at the trajectory from elemetary school and middle school, it's probably closer to 8/10 or worse. It middle school, it's already 8/10 score 3 or below with most kids taking the test.

Well yes, teenagers can be like that. But really, it's not an assumption that PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. That is just how it is. It's not an assumption. You can look at the OSSE spreadsheet if you want to see precisely how many and what grade level kids took each test. Also, control for grade level. If a 9th grader, say, took Algebra I in 8th grade, so takes Algebra II in 9th but has an off day and only gets a 3, that's not great, but it's also not the case that they're below their grade level. They would only be below grade level if they got a 3 in Algebra I, not Algebra II. See?

Nonetheless, the below grade level results are 8/10 in middle school, so where the PP gets to 6/10 on grade level in highschool, nope don't buy that whatsoever. It's likely the same optimistically or worse, realistically, if test participation rates were as high as they are in lower grades.

Again, like I said, students can take the PARCC for a class higher than their grade level. So someone can do not-great on the PARCC test that they take and still be above their actual grade level. I made up the 6/10 thing as an estimate, and I don't expect anyone to believe it or not believe it, but do try to understand that the middle school PARCC is also complex to interpret.

You estimate 6 out of 10 as failing math in highschool because your kid, like some smart kids, didn't take the math PARCC. My guess is 8 out of 10 failing math in highschool, following the trend from middle school and accounting for increasing truancy as kids get older (which has been supported by truancy data in the past from DCPS, and would surmise the pandemic made truancy worse).

Maybe, I really don't know. I suppose it would be possible to create an estimate if you had the real data, and you counted which kids ever got a 4 or a 5 on the Algebra I, Algebra II, or Geometry PARCC as "passing" for their entire high school career. But it's a real drawback of PARCC that we just do not know how so many 11th and 12th graders are doing in math. It's also possible that kids can be truant or never take the PARCC, yet also be on grade level in math-- that might show up if you had access to other testing that the schools do, not sure what. Like if someone does well on the math SAT, it's hard to think they're below grade level even if their PARCC score was bad...

FWIW I don't have a high school age kid at all.

Chronic absenteeism rate is horrifically high - 47.92% in middle school and increases to 63.65% in high school.

Does DC do any truancy patrols? Because they should and perhaps it would also help with the teenagers stealing cars in the middle of the day.

https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard/attendance

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Anonymous wrote:will I need to do a privacy act or FERPA records request to get my kid’s results in a reasonable time?

No, you will get them in Sept like everyone else

np: Meaning, yes. You will not get them in a reasonable time.

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

But the attrition level at highschool also may have to do with kids simply not showing up for school. I don't make assumptions that it's just the smart kids dropping PARCC in highschool.

Nonetheless, looking at the trajectory from elemetary school and middle school, it's probably closer to 8/10 or worse. It middle school, it's already 8/10 score 3 or below with most kids taking the test.

Well yes, teenagers can be like that. But really, it's not an assumption that PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. That is just how it is. It's not an assumption. You can look at the OSSE spreadsheet if you want to see precisely how many and what grade level kids took each test. Also, control for grade level. If a 9th grader, say, took Algebra I in 8th grade, so takes Algebra II in 9th but has an off day and only gets a 3, that's not great, but it's also not the case that they're below their grade level. They would only be below grade level if they got a 3 in Algebra I, not Algebra II. See?

Nonetheless, the below grade level results are 8/10 in middle school, so where the PP gets to 6/10 on grade level in highschool, nope don't buy that whatsoever. It's likely the same optimistically or worse, realistically, if test participation rates were as high as they are in lower grades.

Again, like I said, students can take the PARCC for a class higher than their grade level. So someone can do not-great on the PARCC test that they take and still be above their actual grade level. I made up the 6/10 thing as an estimate, and I don't expect anyone to believe it or not believe it, but do try to understand that the middle school PARCC is also complex to interpret.

Seriously? You just pulled "the 6/10 thing" from your a**? You are just sounding more and more uninformed.

Please have your 10th grader do an intervention and explain statistics to you.

For one thing, why do you assume that better students are more likely not to take the PARCC exam than poor students? Bad students are often truants. They are a lot more likely to miss the PARCC exam.

The PARCC data is a lot better than any other data that we have, and it definitely shows that DC schools are generally performing poorly.

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

Aww thanks for calling her out! I appreciate it. But it’s DCUM, dumb Karens are ubiquitous.

Misogynistic much?

[Anonymous]

Well, I did try to model this a little bit, using OSSE's SY 21-22 PARCC spreadsheet.

It seems like, system-wide, 152 8th graders took the Geometry PARCC and 130 passed. 1014 8th graders took the Algebra I PARCC and 293 passed. 4015 8th graders took the 8th grade math PARCC and 299 passed. I'm not sure if a student in 8th can take more than one math PARCC test in a single year. Anyway, so that produces a 16% pass rate of kids passing the math PARCC that they took-- among kids that took a math PARCC at all. 822 out of 5181 kids. I think 5181 is about equal to all the 8th graders, bearing in mind some take the MSAA. So yes, that isn't very good.

However, the kids who take Geometry and Algebra I classes are above the 8th grade math level, even if they don't do well on the PARCC that they do take. So if I add in the kids who got 3s on Geometry and Algebra I PARCC, then I'm adding +303 kids for Algebra I and +20 for Geometry. So that's 1145 kids out of 5181 bringing it up to 22%. So yes, again, not super good.

Of course, then there's the 8th graders who already took Algebra I in 6th or 7th grade, so they might in Algebra II in 8th grade, or even beyond it, but there's no middle school PARCC for Algebra II. I think that's about 50 kids, although maybe some of them are in Geometry, hard to say. Anyway, so all of that puts the percentage of 8th graders who could be considered to be on grade level or passing the math PARCC at about 20-25%. Interesting.

[Anonymous]

Ouch! That high school proficiency rates are awful. Taking DCPS published numbers of ~12K high school students, 1200 are scoring 4 or 5 and a mere 100 are scoring 5 in math I understand that many seniors may not take PARCC at all (perhaps since AP exams are at a similar time) but ~100 scoring 5 is pretty low.

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Anonymous wrote:What an embarrassment. 9/10 HS students can't even meet the baseline math expectations?

This is not true. My 10th grader didn’t take PARCC because he is was in AP stats. and got a 5 on his AP test. There are plenty of kids who are advanced in math and don’t take PARCC. Your numbers are wrong.

Thinking that perhaps you could learn a thing or two from your 10th grader who took AP stats.

Wow so rude. Look at the PARCC spreadsheets on the OSSE website and you'll see that lots of kids don't take any math PARCC test at all. They only test certain classes. I wish we had more comprehensive data and I'm sad that we don't, but it's simply not true that 9/10 kids are failing math. It's more like 6/10.

But the attrition level at highschool also may have to do with kids simply not showing up for school. I don't make assumptions that it's just the smart kids dropping PARCC in highschool.

Nonetheless, looking at the trajectory from elemetary school and middle school, it's probably closer to 8/10 or worse. It middle school, it's already 8/10 score 3 or below with most kids taking the test.

Well yes, teenagers can be like that. But really, it's not an assumption that PARCC only tests Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. That is just how it is. It's not an assumption. You can look at the OSSE spreadsheet if you want to see precisely how many and what grade level kids took each test. Also, control for grade level. If a 9th grader, say, took Algebra I in 8th grade, so takes Algebra II in 9th but has an off day and only gets a 3, that's not great, but it's also not the case that they're below their grade level. They would only be below grade level if they got a 3 in Algebra I, not Algebra II. See?

Nonetheless, the below grade level results are 8/10 in middle school, so where the PP gets to 6/10 on grade level in highschool, nope don't buy that whatsoever. It's likely the same optimistically or worse, realistically, if test participation rates were as high as they are in lower grades.

Again, like I said, students can take the PARCC for a class higher than their grade level. So someone can do not-great on the PARCC test that they take and still be above their actual grade level. I made up the 6/10 thing as an estimate, and I don't expect anyone to believe it or not believe it, but do try to understand that the middle school PARCC is also complex to interpret.

Seriously? You just pulled "the 6/10 thing" from your a**? You are just sounding more and more uninformed.

Please have your 10th grader do an intervention and explain statistics to you.

For one thing, why do you assume that better students are more likely not to take the PARCC exam than poor students? Bad students are often truants. They are a lot more likely to miss the PARCC exam.

The PARCC data is a lot better than any other data that we have, and it definitely shows that DC schools are generally performing poorly.

Because. The. PARCC. Is. Only. For. Algebra I, Algebra II, and Geometry. So the better students would finish those classes in 8th, 9th, and 10th grades, and then in 11th and 12th grades would take a different math class and there isn't a PARCC for any of the higher math classes. You keep obsessing about truancy but if you look at the actual data, you'll see that 9th graders make up more than half of the PARCC-taking population in the system. Out of 7981 students taking the PARCC in grades 9-12, 63% were 9th graders and 35% were 10th graders. We're basically not measuring math at all for grades 11 and 12. So we're failing to capture a lot of kids and that group is skewed towards the higher performers.