Missing middle- Arlington

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

It’s ironic that you’re trying to stand up for “single moms” but you’ve made the only misogynist comment in this thread. I know multiple single moms making it in Arlington. In the new builds even- shocking I know, but women can do everything that men can do!

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Anonymous wrote:Single mom here. I take offense to your statement that a single mom can’t afford Arlington without a husband. What a sexist statement. I can afford a house in Arlington just fine and so can many others.

Check your privilege. Now what about the 61 others who are on a waiting list for affordable housing in Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

It’s ironic that you’re trying to stand up for “single moms” but you’ve made the only misogynist comment in this thread. I know multiple single moms making it in Arlington. In the new builds even- shocking I know, but women can do everything that men can do!

Just as you make a privileged statement.

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

That's what Section 8 vouchers are for. If these "single moms" are truly financially deserving, they should qualify for a voucher. Can't say that I understand the logic of spending $850K for a teardown lot, then at least another $1 million in construction costs, so that maybe 6 "single moms" can get a unit in a brand new six-plex.

Try getting a landlord to rent to a single mom with a Section 8 voucher.

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

That's what Section 8 vouchers are for. If these "single moms" are truly financially deserving, they should qualify for a voucher. Can't say that I understand the logic of spending $850K for a teardown lot, then at least another $1 million in construction costs, so that maybe 6 "single moms" can get a unit in a brand new six-plex.

Try getting a landlord to rent to a single mom with a Section 8 voucher.

This is NOT what missing middle is supposed to fix. You’re dreaming if you think this housing will be less expensive than what’s already available in Arlington.

Take your misogyny and GO.

[Anonymous]

Never heard of AHS, but I highly doubt they really have plans to buy teardown lots to build MMH for "single moms" (which would be illegal discrimination).

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

It’s ironic that you’re trying to stand up for “single moms” but you’ve made the only misogynist comment in this thread. I know multiple single moms making it in Arlington. In the new builds even- shocking I know, but women can do everything that men can do!

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I can pay cash for my next N Arlington home (without tapping into my retirement).

-single mom IT with a knack for saving and investing wisely

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Single mom here. I take offense to your statement that a single mom can’t afford Arlington without a husband. What a sexist statement. I can afford a house in Arlington just fine and so can many others.

Check your privilege. Now what about the 61 others who are on a waiting list for affordable housing in Arlington.

Why should I “check my privilege?” Single
Moms are not some homogenous group. We come in all shapes, colors, education levels and socio economic backgrounds. You assume that we are all poor and unable to provide for our families lest we have husbands. You perpetuate a stereotype that women are incapable of anything without husbands. You assume that if we had husbands we would not need help. Wow, go husbands. I didn’t see any call for helping all the “single dads.” No, you basically try it shut down someone who disagrees with you by telling me to “check my privilege?” I am very happy for my so-called “privilege.” Sorry for working to be independent, educated and fully capable of supporting my children without help from the government and a deadbeat now ex-husband. My goodness, stop belittling women.

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

It’s ironic that you’re trying to stand up for “single moms” but you’ve made the only misogynist comment in this thread. I know multiple single moms making it in Arlington. In the new builds even- shocking I know, but women can do everything that men can do!

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I can pay cash for my next N Arlington home (without tapping into my retirement).

-single mom IT with a knack for saving and investing wisely

You go girl! Single mom’s with “privilege” making their way in the world without help from husbands and the government. Please don’t check any privilege. Just continue what you are doing in raising a family.

[Anonymous]

When the higher density starts to appear in N Arlington, the price of single family houses in Falls Church City and nearby Fairfax County will soar.

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Anonymous wrote:Single mom here. I take offense to your statement that a single mom can’t afford Arlington without a husband. What a sexist statement. I can afford a house in Arlington just fine and so can many others.

Check your privilege. Now what about the 61 others who are on a waiting list for affordable housing in Arlington.

Have you been asleep for the last 5 years? The county board has publicly acknowledged that MM won’t lead to the kind of affordable housing you are talking about. This is why so many of us disagreed with the messaging- it took advantage of people like you who don’t understand the market or these changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

That's what Section 8 vouchers are for. If these "single moms" are truly financially deserving, they should qualify for a voucher. Can't say that I understand the logic of spending $850K for a teardown lot, then at least another $1 million in construction costs, so that maybe 6 "single moms" can get a unit in a brand new six-plex.

Try getting a landlord to rent to a single mom with a Section 8 voucher.

This is NOT what missing middle is supposed to fix. You’re dreaming if you think this housing will be less expensive than what’s already available in Arlington.

Take your misogyny and GO.

DP I think that poster was referring to Habitat for Humanity partnering with a non-profit to build six plexes. One of the points of the expanded housing options was to build different types of housing, and there are few -- if any -- six plexes in Arlington. It a non-profit is involved, presumably the units would be either subsidized for rent or for sale. Agree that the market rate housing being built will not be affordable

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

That's what Section 8 vouchers are for. If these "single moms" are truly financially deserving, they should qualify for a voucher. Can't say that I understand the logic of spending $850K for a teardown lot, then at least another $1 million in construction costs, so that maybe 6 "single moms" can get a unit in a brand new six-plex.

Try getting a landlord to rent to a single mom with a Section 8 voucher.

This is NOT what missing middle is supposed to fix. You’re dreaming if you think this housing will be less expensive than what’s already available in Arlington.

Take your misogyny and GO.

DP I think that poster was referring to Habitat for Humanity partnering with a non-profit to build six plexes. One of the points of the expanded housing options was to build different types of housing, and there are few -- if any -- six plexes in Arlington. It a non-profit is involved, presumably the units would be either subsidized for rent or for sale. Agree that the market rate housing being built will not be affordable

While six-plexes are not common it seems like these would generally be 1-bedroom units. There are plenty of 1-bedroom apartments in Arlington. That is definitely not a "missing" housing type.

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Anonymous wrote:Tracker update today shows a lot of 6-plexes -- including two that appear to be next door to each other. I project parking challenges!

There is already construction at or near that location on 7th St S. I wonder if they were originally planning on SFHs and are pausing now. There is plenty of off street parking near that block.

Two sixplexes is 12 units, obvioulsy. Twelve units occupied by at least two people is 24 cars.

Twenty four cars avergang 15 feet long is 360 feet. Thats a 1.2 football fields. Good luck finding that much parking.

The plexes will be rentals so may have fewer cars, particularly if a non profit buys them and makes them affordable

What nonprofit is buying and developing land? Even the big affordable housing developers have to redevelop land they already own and get financing and loans just to do so.

Arlington's Alliance for Housing Solutions is working with Habitat for Humanity to develop Missing Middle housing in Arlington. They are not developing land, they are developing tear down lots. It is very expensive to develop vacant lots for residences in Arlington because they generally have no impervious surfaces and need much more expensive storm water management.

Which tear downs have they purchased for MM housing?

None. AHS is working with Habitat. Do you think things like this happen overnight? It will take years, but they are trying to make a difference for all the single moms who need housing in Arlington and can't afford it. Arlington should not just be for people with husbands.

That's what Section 8 vouchers are for. If these "single moms" are truly financially deserving, they should qualify for a voucher. Can't say that I understand the logic of spending $850K for a teardown lot, then at least another $1 million in construction costs, so that maybe 6 "single moms" can get a unit in a brand new six-plex.

Try getting a landlord to rent to a single mom with a Section 8 voucher.

This is NOT what missing middle is supposed to fix. You’re dreaming if you think this housing will be less expensive than what’s already available in Arlington.

Take your misogyny and GO.

DP I think that poster was referring to Habitat for Humanity partnering with a non-profit to build six plexes. One of the points of the expanded housing options was to build different types of housing, and there are few -- if any -- six plexes in Arlington. It a non-profit is involved, presumably the units would be either subsidized for rent or for sale. Agree that the market rate housing being built will not be affordable

But what nonprofit can buy a piece of land, develop it, and subsidize the rent? I have heard of churches partnering to redevelop land that they already own, and APAH redeveloping its own land with financing plus millions of dollars of loans from county. Is this speculation or something that’s been suggested? The message I heard over and over again from the County was an acknowledgment that MM isn’t a tool to offer Affordable Housing. What am I missing? I would genuinely be curious to know!

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I can’t believe people fought a duplex. https://www.arlnow.com/2023/09/06/some-neighbors-fought-a-duplex-and-won-as-county-approves-more-missing-middle-homes/

I live in an adjoining neighborhood and would welcome a 4-flat or a duplex in my neighborhood. After college I lived in a neighborhood with a mix of SFH, duplexes, and 4-6 flat building with parking in the rear. It had a similar density to central Arlington, plenty of mature trees, and was walking distance to a Westover-like small shopping area. It was a great, vibrant neighborhood with renters and owners, young adults and families.

Here’s a map pin to my old neighborhood for street view purposes
https://maps.app.goo.gl/igs4y8CLKLnNEyxf9?g_st=ic