Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:Woodward had a great reputation before, it will be a brand new school and will have a great reputation again

WJ reputation will change. Woodward has to build it's reputation from scratch.

No, it doesn't. Woodward had an excellent reputation before, and will start with that same excellent reputation. That plus the brand new facility will make it an excellent school (both of mine graduated from an extremely overcrowded WJ, and I wish it had been open for them).

I don't think reputation of a closed HS in 70s has any relevance. It will a brand new school with zero reputation in start. It will have to earn it's reputation for better or worse.

You must be new here.

Moco is a very provincial place. Half of these people form all their opinions about everything based on how it was 76, or 86, or sometimes 96.

Who are "these people"? Three quarters of MoCo residents are from other states or countries. They don't know anything about Woodward in the 70s.

PP just wanted to use the word provincial in a sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:How much price in WJ may go down due to boundary change? 10% , 20% ??

I don't care much about demography of schools changing but I have enough stress in my life to not add possibility of 25% decline after buying a house.

This is what structural racism looks like. “I’m not a racist but I don’t want my home value to go down if those kids are in my school.”

Are you out of your mind? There is nothing racist about not wanting to lose 25% of biggest purchase of your life.

Not the PP, but their comment was about structural racism, not individual racism. Structural racism in this case is a school zoning map that has traditionally been designed to preserve segregation. If that zoning is disrupted and integration ensues, then housing prices will drop.

If both residential zoning and school boundaries had included integration from the beginning, there would not have been an artificially inflated "zone" of high-priced segregated communities.

The Montgomery County school boundaries are not drawn to “include segregation” and the big report they did a few years found it would be difficult to have more diverse schools without busing, which is why that whole project died with a whimper. The main problem is zoning and not allowing more housing types in the most desirable areas. The other problem is that developers don’t build many family-sized units where multifamily housing is allowed.

They are not drawn that way, but they did used to be drawn that way.

Decades ago they were drawn that way. None of the public officials who drew them that way still work here. Move on.

Are those boundaries still determining home prices? If so they are still worth discussing.

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Anonymous wrote:How much price in WJ may go down due to boundary change? 10% , 20% ??

I don't care much about demography of schools changing but I have enough stress in my life to not add possibility of 25% decline after buying a house.

This is what structural racism looks like. “I’m not a racist but I don’t want my home value to go down if those kids are in my school.”

Are you out of your mind? There is nothing racist about not wanting to lose 25% of biggest purchase of your life.

Not the PP, but their comment was about structural racism, not individual racism. Structural racism in this case is a school zoning map that has traditionally been designed to preserve segregation. If that zoning is disrupted and integration ensues, then housing prices will drop.

If both residential zoning and school boundaries had included integration from the beginning, there would not have been an artificially inflated "zone" of high-priced segregated communities.

The Montgomery County school boundaries are not drawn to “include segregation” and the big report they did a few years found it would be difficult to have more diverse schools without busing, which is why that whole project died with a whimper. The main problem is zoning and not allowing more housing types in the most desirable areas. The other problem is that developers don’t build many family-sized units where multifamily housing is allowed.

They are not drawn that way, but they did used to be drawn that way.

Decades ago they were drawn that way. None of the public officials who drew them that way still work here. Move on.

Are those boundaries still determining home prices? If so they are still worth discussing.

They don’t exist so they don’t determine anything.

[Anonymous]

BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

Whether or not any additional schools are added to the DCC, each school would still need its own boundaries to determine the base areas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

Whether or not any additional schools are added to the DCC, each school would still need its own boundaries to determine the base areas.

This - people don't understand that you have a "home school" based on boundaries drawn in DCC that you get preference for if it's your first choice.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

This seems hard to do without bussing. I agree it’s a good idea, but I can’t think of many options here.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

This seems hard to do without bussing. I agree it’s a good idea, but I can’t think of many options here.

Then put future low-income housing in that area until we achieve a greater balance.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

This seems hard to do without bussing. I agree it’s a good idea, but I can’t think of many options here.

Then put future low-income housing in that area until we achieve a greater balance.

And you thought Elrich's proposed tax increase was too big?

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Whitman should give one elementary to WJ and take one elementary from BCC. That will open up space in BCC to take one from DCC.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

That is never going to happen

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Anonymous wrote:Whitman should give one elementary to WJ and take one elementary from BCC. That will open up space in BCC to take one from DCC.

I think this makes sense. Which school though? I thought maybe Burning Tree or Bradley Hills since they are fairly close to North Bethesda MS, but both of those schools have a good number of kids who live so close to Whitman. Perhaps Carderock goes? They are really far away from Whitman in the first place?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

That is never going to happen

I agree. Even in the most progressive areas, adjusting boundaries to improve diversity at schools without diversity is extremely unpopular. Also, gerrymandering and bussing for diversity is becoming less politically palatable. Back in the 70s and 80s it was de rigueur but not today. So I doubt Whitman will become more diverse and in fact may become less diverse, more wealthy, or stay the same.

Just look across the river for recent (w/in the pat 5 years) efforts to relieve overcrowding in popular schools that only further concentrated wealth in the less crowded and wealthiest schools: Redistricting in Fairfax County between McLean and Langley high schools pushed even more affluent neighborhoods to Langley. In Arlington, redistricting between W-L and Yorktown rezoned the most affluent W-L neighborhoods to Yorktown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BCC, WJ and Woodward should become a part of DCC.

Whitman boundaries should be adjusted to include as much diversity as possible even though it's hard due to where its located.

That is never going to happen

I agree. Even in the most progressive areas, adjusting boundaries to improve diversity at schools without diversity is extremely unpopular. Also, gerrymandering and bussing for diversity is becoming less politically palatable. Back in the 70s and 80s it was de rigueur but not today. So I doubt Whitman will become more diverse and in fact may become less diverse, more wealthy, or stay the same.

Just look across the river for recent (w/in the pat 5 years) efforts to relieve overcrowding in popular schools that only further concentrated wealth in the less crowded and wealthiest schools: Redistricting in Fairfax County between McLean and Langley high schools pushed even more affluent neighborhoods to Langley. In Arlington, redistricting between W-L and Yorktown rezoned the most affluent W-L neighborhoods to Yorktown.

How long have you lived in Montgomery County (the one in Maryland)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How much price in WJ may go down due to boundary change? 10% , 20% ??

I don't care much about demography of schools changing but I have enough stress in my life to not add possibility of 25% decline after buying a house.

This is what structural racism looks like. “I’m not a racist but I don’t want my home value to go down if those kids are in my school.”

Are you out of your mind? There is nothing racist about not wanting to lose 25% of biggest purchase of your life.

Not the PP, but their comment was about structural racism, not individual racism. Structural racism in this case is a school zoning map that has traditionally been designed to preserve segregation. If that zoning is disrupted and integration ensues, then housing prices will drop.

If both residential zoning and school boundaries had included integration from the beginning, there would not have been an artificially inflated "zone" of high-priced segregated communities.

You do realize that even by 1970, whites still made up 94.5% of the population in Montgomery County? I don't think people had to work hard to create "zones" of high-priced segregated communities.