TJ admissions results out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sincerely，TJ should only get students in AAP Level IV. The purpose of TJ is to serve the top students who couldn't be well-served at their base schools. The new admission is trying to make TJ no longer TJ.

I see what you're saying but that makes it predetermined and doesn't allow people to grow and evolve.

Nobody could prevent others to grow. Non-AAP students should grow into AAP first, then think about TJ. TJ is the top of AAP.

You can’t enter AAP in middle school, you can take algebra in 7th and an all honors schedule in middle school without being in aap though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sincerely，TJ should only get students in AAP Level IV. The purpose of TJ is to serve the top students who couldn't be well-served at their base schools. The new admission is trying to make TJ no longer TJ.

I see what you're saying but that makes it predetermined and doesn't allow people to grow and evolve.

Nobody could prevent others to grow. Non-AAP students should grow into AAP first, then think about TJ. TJ is the top of AAP.

You can’t enter AAP in middle school, you can take algebra in 7th and an all honors schedule in middle school without being in aap though

Yes, you can. My DC did.

[Anonymous]

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"Remedial math" means reviewing subjects that at 2 years ahead instead of 3 years.

If even a TJ faculty member uses the term "remedial" then it's awfully pedantic to quibble with it. You can insist on whatever terminology you like, but the point is clear enough: if TJ is supposed to serve those exceptional students who wouldn't be well-served at their base schools (as per the Governor's School charter), then students who do well in more advanced math classes should be admitted rather than students who need review of lower levels of math.

The FCPS school board is essentially doing an ed-around on the state Dept. of Education by reconceiving the purpose of TJ (i.e. to mirror the population of the county as a whole rather than to serve the top students), and that cannot stand.

Can the Youngkin VDOE just refuse to recognize TJ as a Governor’s School? Doesn’t seem like it’s about much of anything now other than handing out seats by middle school pyramid. What’s next - by census tracts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Remedial math" means reviewing subjects that at 2 years ahead instead of 3 years.

If even a TJ faculty member uses the term "remedial" then it's awfully pedantic to quibble with it. You can insist on whatever terminology you like, but the point is clear enough: if TJ is supposed to serve those exceptional students who wouldn't be well-served at their base schools (as per the Governor's School charter), then students who do well in more advanced math classes should be admitted rather than students who need review of lower levels of math.

The FCPS school board is essentially doing an ed-around on the state Dept. of Education by reconceiving the purpose of TJ (i.e. to mirror the population of the county as a whole rather than to serve the top students), and that cannot stand.

Can the Youngkin VDOE just refuse to recognize TJ as a Governor’s School? Doesn’t seem like it’s about much of anything now other than handing out seats by middle school pyramid. What’s next - by census tracts?

That seems like the right thing to do. I mean it is a public school so accepting the top kids from each tract makes sense. It's certainly better than handing out seats to people who bought the test answers from a prep center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Remedial math" means reviewing subjects that at 2 years ahead instead of 3 years.

If even a TJ faculty member uses the term "remedial" then it's awfully pedantic to quibble with it. You can insist on whatever terminology you like, but the point is clear enough: if TJ is supposed to serve those exceptional students who wouldn't be well-served at their base schools (as per the Governor's School charter), then students who do well in more advanced math classes should be admitted rather than students who need review of lower levels of math.

The FCPS school board is essentially doing an ed-around on the state Dept. of Education by reconceiving the purpose of TJ (i.e. to mirror the population of the county as a whole rather than to serve the top students), and that cannot stand.

Can the Youngkin VDOE just refuse to recognize TJ as a Governor’s School? Doesn’t seem like it’s about much of anything now other than handing out seats by middle school pyramid. What’s next - by census tracts?

If you think they’ll take a stand requiring governors schools to only have competitive admissions, you might want to look at how governor’s schools in the red part of the state operate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Remedial math" means reviewing subjects that at 2 years ahead instead of 3 years.

If even a TJ faculty member uses the term "remedial" then it's awfully pedantic to quibble with it. You can insist on whatever terminology you like, but the point is clear enough: if TJ is supposed to serve those exceptional students who wouldn't be well-served at their base schools (as per the Governor's School charter), then students who do well in more advanced math classes should be admitted rather than students who need review of lower levels of math.

The FCPS school board is essentially doing an ed-around on the state Dept. of Education by reconceiving the purpose of TJ (i.e. to mirror the population of the county as a whole rather than to serve the top students), and that cannot stand.

Can the Youngkin VDOE just refuse to recognize TJ as a Governor’s School? Doesn’t seem like it’s about much of anything now other than handing out seats by middle school pyramid. What’s next - by census tracts?

If you think they’ll take a stand requiring governors schools to only have competitive admissions, you might want to look at how governor’s schools in the red part of the state operate

I also wouldn't describe the old admissions as competitive when so many of those kids being admitted only did well by investing thousands of dollars in prep which some claim even provided the questions in advance. This gave them an advantage over others so that's hardly competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Remedial math" means reviewing subjects that at 2 years ahead instead of 3 years.

If even a TJ faculty member uses the term "remedial" then it's awfully pedantic to quibble with it. You can insist on whatever terminology you like, but the point is clear enough: if TJ is supposed to serve those exceptional students who wouldn't be well-served at their base schools (as per the Governor's School charter), then students who do well in more advanced math classes should be admitted rather than students who need review of lower levels of math.

The FCPS school board is essentially doing an ed-around on the state Dept. of Education by reconceiving the purpose of TJ (i.e. to mirror the population of the county as a whole rather than to serve the top students), and that cannot stand.

Can the Youngkin VDOE just refuse to recognize TJ as a Governor’s School? Doesn’t seem like it’s about much of anything now other than handing out seats by middle school pyramid. What’s next - by census tracts?

If you think they’ll take a stand requiring governors schools to only have competitive admissions, you might want to look at how governor’s schools in the red part of the state operate

VA is becoming red now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Remedial math" means reviewing subjects that at 2 years ahead instead of 3 years.

If even a TJ faculty member uses the term "remedial" then it's awfully pedantic to quibble with it. You can insist on whatever terminology you like, but the point is clear enough: if TJ is supposed to serve those exceptional students who wouldn't be well-served at their base schools (as per the Governor's School charter), then students who do well in more advanced math classes should be admitted rather than students who need review of lower levels of math.

The FCPS school board is essentially doing an ed-around on the state Dept. of Education by reconceiving the purpose of TJ (i.e. to mirror the population of the county as a whole rather than to serve the top students), and that cannot stand.

Can the Youngkin VDOE just refuse to recognize TJ as a Governor’s School? Doesn’t seem like it’s about much of anything now other than handing out seats by middle school pyramid. What’s next - by census tracts?

If you think they’ll take a stand requiring governors schools to only have competitive admissions, you might want to look at how governor’s schools in the red part of the state operate

I also wouldn't describe the old admissions as competitive when so many of those kids being admitted only did well by investing thousands of dollars in prep which some claim even provided the questions in advance. This gave them an advantage over others so that's hardly competitive.

That's not true. There are many statistics showing that the old admission students were academically stronger than the new admission students: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/downloads/TJ%20Class%20of%202025%20analysis.FINAL.pdf?ver=1651530772395


● Over 38% of Fairfax County Public School (FCPS) students admitted to TJ Class of 2025 were not participating in Level IV AAP coursework in 8th grade. These students constitute over 20% of admitted students to TJ Class of 2025.

● Students receiving Advanced Academic Program Level IV services were equally likely to be admitted to TJ as students overall, even though Level IV students take the most academically challenging courses in English, social studies and science offered by the county to eighth graders (18% for each).

● Compared to TJ Class of 2024, the proportion of students in Class of 2025 admitted with the minimal required math background of Algebra 1 in 8th grade increased sevenfold, from 4.5% to 31%, while the proportion of students admitted who had completed Algebra 2 or higher in 8th grade decreased by almost 50%, from 35% to 18%.

● Fairfax had the lowest admission rate to TJ Class of 2025 among all reporting counties. Approximately 16% of Fairfax County applicants were admitted, while over 27% of Arlington County applicants and over 30% of Prince William County applicants were admitted.

[Anonymous]

When will FCPS issue the press release?

Looking forward to analysis from the FOIA data!

[Anonymous]

The last bullet is dumb. FCPS also had the highest number of applicants. They aren’t competing for the same seats.

[Anonymous]

The most convincible statistics reflecting academics is the ratio taking Algebra II and AAP Level IV.

[Anonymous]

AAP - DD is taking all honors and geometry but our school does not have AAP and we did not want to send her to a different secondary school just for MS AAP. Most other families in the same situation made the same choice in our zone.

And a lower FCPS acceptance rate is natural - it is in our county so commute is better and focus on it is higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When will FCPS issue the press release?

Looking forward to analysis from the FOIA data!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/25/tj-class-of-2026-data/

The Class of 2026 at TJ, as the school is known, will include 550 students accepted from a pool of 2,544 applicants. Of the offers sent to eighth-graders, about 60 percent went to Asian students, 21 percent to White students, 8 percent to Hispanic students and 6 percent to Black students. Roughly 33 percent of offers went to low-income students and 51 percent went to female students.

The Class of 2025, the first to be admitted under the system, was about 54 percent Asian, 22 percent White, 11 percent Hispanic and 7 percent Black. Roughly 25 percent of students receiving offers were economically disadvantaged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Remedial math" means reviewing subjects that at 2 years ahead instead of 3 years.

If even a TJ faculty member uses the term "remedial" then it's awfully pedantic to quibble with it. You can insist on whatever terminology you like, but the point is clear enough: if TJ is supposed to serve those exceptional students who wouldn't be well-served at their base schools (as per the Governor's School charter), then students who do well in more advanced math classes should be admitted rather than students who need review of lower levels of math.

The FCPS school board is essentially doing an ed-around on the state Dept. of Education by reconceiving the purpose of TJ (i.e. to mirror the population of the county as a whole rather than to serve the top students), and that cannot stand.

Can the Youngkin VDOE just refuse to recognize TJ as a Governor’s School? Doesn’t seem like it’s about much of anything now other than handing out seats by middle school pyramid. What’s next - by census tracts?

If you think they’ll take a stand requiring governors schools to only have competitive admissions, you might want to look at how governor’s schools in the red part of the state operate

I also wouldn't describe the old admissions as competitive when so many of those kids being admitted only did well by investing thousands of dollars in prep which some claim even provided the questions in advance. This gave them an advantage over others so that's hardly competitive.

That's not true. There are many statistics showing that the old admission students were academically stronger than the new admission students: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/downloads/TJ%20Class%20of%202025%20analysis.FINAL.pdf?ver=1651530772395


● Over 38% of Fairfax County Public School (FCPS) students admitted to TJ Class of 2025 were not participating in Level IV AAP coursework in 8th grade. These students constitute over 20% of admitted students to TJ Class of 2025.

● Students receiving Advanced Academic Program Level IV services were equally likely to be admitted to TJ as students overall, even though Level IV students take the most academically challenging courses in English, social studies and science offered by the county to eighth graders (18% for each).

● Compared to TJ Class of 2024, the proportion of students in Class of 2025 admitted with the minimal required math background of Algebra 1 in 8th grade increased sevenfold, from 4.5% to 31%, while the proportion of students admitted who had completed Algebra 2 or higher in 8th grade decreased by almost 50%, from 35% to 18%.

● Fairfax had the lowest admission rate to TJ Class of 2025 among all reporting counties. Approximately 16% of Fairfax County applicants were admitted, while over 27% of Arlington County applicants and over 30% of Prince William County applicants were admitted.

That's complete and utter fiction! Please stop making up these things to suit your fringe views. The class of 2025 is as good or better than any in recent memory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When will FCPS issue the press release?

Looking forward to analysis from the FOIA data!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/25/tj-class-of-2026-data/

The Class of 2026 at TJ, as the school is known, will include 550 students accepted from a pool of 2,544 applicants. Of the offers sent to eighth-graders, about 60 percent went to Asian students, 21 percent to White students, 8 percent to Hispanic students and 6 percent to Black students. Roughly 33 percent of offers went to low-income students and 51 percent went to female students.

The Class of 2025, the first to be admitted under the system, was about 54 percent Asian, 22 percent White, 11 percent Hispanic and 7 percent Black. Roughly 25 percent of students receiving offers were economically disadvantaged.

Is this is the public school equivalent of a hostile workplace for Hispanic and Black students?