Another Black Eye for Penn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

That’s not what people are saying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You aren't allowed to criticize Mackenzie Fierceton's story.

If you do, then one or more of the following applies:
1. You don't know what you are talking about, but if you do, then why do you care so much?
2. You have an axe to grind, but if you don't, then why do you care so much?
3. You can't point to anything she did wrong, but if you can, then why do you care so much?

It's a perfectly closed circle. There is no way to criticize this rank netting of a narrative correctly, according to those defending her here. That's interesting, in and of itself.

Oh please. As someone who had never heard of the story before this week and didn’t participate in prior threads I have to say that the people who seem completely closed off and intent on shutting down conversation are the ones saying she is a con artist.

You might try reading the other threads before passing judgement on whether other posters here are familiar with what is going on.

You also might try reading more of DCUM if you are surprised that people will post for pages after pages on something that seems irrelevant to their own lives. It's kind of the raison d'être for the site. No need to resort to conspiracy theories.

I am sure I have read more of DCUM than you and nowhere did I resort to conspiracy theories so I think it’s interesting how defensive you are in bringing that up, esp in the context of Jeff saying some posters were posting repeatedly.

Again you are trying to spin what Jeff said to you at 8:16 this morning when this thread was in its infancy. You tried repeatedly to say he saw d there was sockpuppeting. He said there was none at 8:26. All he said was that “some are responding to several posts”. That’s all that was said early this morning. Sorry that doesn’t fit your agenda but it’s there for all to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

This does have the somewhat sweaty odor of Varsity Blues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

I'm actually glad you brought that up because it brings us to one of the many ways in which the theory that Mackenzie was some kind of con artist just out to bilk an Ivy for a free degree makes no sense.

You know all those kids whose parents spent thousands to manipulate their way into college? Well they were largely crap students. That's why their crazy parents were doing that. These were kids who were NOT competitive athletes or academic superstars, and their parents lied about it to get them in anyway.

But the thing about Mackenzie is that the minute she got to Penn, what did she do? Work her butt off for good grades, develop strong relationships with professors, join school activities focused on public interest work, major in social work, apply to a 5 year masters program. Does this sound like someone trying to "steal" an education to you? Majoring in a low-income, caring profession, signing up for additional coursework, dedicating herself to public interest?

Honestly, if she conned her way in, I'm glad she did, because the average Penn student doesn't work that hard or invest as heavily into helping others. Schools could use more hardworking, dedicated, charitably minded con artists, then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You aren't allowed to criticize Mackenzie Fierceton's story.

If you do, then one or more of the following applies:
1. You don't know what you are talking about, but if you do, then why do you care so much?
2. You have an axe to grind, but if you don't, then why do you care so much?
3. You can't point to anything she did wrong, but if you can, then why do you care so much?

It's a perfectly closed circle. There is no way to criticize this rank netting of a narrative correctly, according to those defending her here. That's interesting, in and of itself.

None of this conflicts at all:

Mackenzie is a manipulative liar.
Mackenzie was a victim of abuse.
Mackenzie was a rich white girl who wanted to get into college.
Mackenzie is mentally ill
Mackenzie is a real genius
Mackenzie was in foster care
Mackenzie comes from a very dysfunctional family
Mackenzie's mother is a doctor
Mackenzie is a first gen college student
Mackenzie has a sister she is worried about
Mackenzie played up the foster care thing a little more than she should have
Mackenzie worked hard and earned her degree

[Anonymous]

More word vomit to deflect away from your, I mean her, mediocre ACT or SAT score. And the fact that she was not a National Merit Semifinalist. Btw what was her Official AP score in Chemistry? I bet it was a 2 or 3. She would have been at Mizzou were it not for this scheme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

I'm actually glad you brought that up because it brings us to one of the many ways in which the theory that Mackenzie was some kind of con artist just out to bilk an Ivy for a free degree makes no sense.

You know all those kids whose parents spent thousands to manipulate their way into college? Well they were largely crap students. That's why their crazy parents were doing that. These were kids who were NOT competitive athletes or academic superstars, and their parents lied about it to get them in anyway.

But the thing about Mackenzie is that the minute she got to Penn, what did she do? Work her butt off for good grades, develop strong relationships with professors, join school activities focused on public interest work, major in social work, apply to a 5 year masters program. Does this sound like someone trying to "steal" an education to you? Majoring in a low-income, caring profession, signing up for additional coursework, dedicating herself to public interest?

Honestly, if she conned her way in, I'm glad she did, because the average Penn student doesn't work that hard or invest as heavily into helping others. Schools could use more hardworking, dedicated, charitably minded con artists, then.

More word vomit to deflect away from your, I mean her, mediocre ACT or SAT score. And the fact that she was not a National Merit Semifinalist. Btw what was her Official AP score in Chemistry? I bet it was a 2 or 3. She would have been at Mizzou were it not for this scheme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

I'm actually glad you brought that up because it brings us to one of the many ways in which the theory that Mackenzie was some kind of con artist just out to bilk an Ivy for a free degree makes no sense.

You know all those kids whose parents spent thousands to manipulate their way into college? Well they were largely crap students. That's why their crazy parents were doing that. These were kids who were NOT competitive athletes or academic superstars, and their parents lied about it to get them in anyway.

But the thing about Mackenzie is that the minute she got to Penn, what did she do? Work her butt off for good grades, develop strong relationships with professors, join school activities focused on public interest work, major in social work, apply to a 5 year masters program. Does this sound like someone trying to "steal" an education to you? Majoring in a low-income, caring profession, signing up for additional coursework, dedicating herself to public interest?

Honestly, if she conned her way in, I'm glad she did, because the average Penn student doesn't work that hard or invest as heavily into helping others. Schools could use more hardworking, dedicated, charitably minded con artists, then.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

Yeah, there are people who would do that. They’re called sociopaths. . . people like Penn alum Donald Trump. They major in Business to prepare for a life time of exploiting people with schemes like Trump University.

They don’t get an MSW to prepare for a life time of helping people in need.

Your characterization of her doesn’t fit her actual narrative in the real world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

I'm actually glad you brought that up because it brings us to one of the many ways in which the theory that Mackenzie was some kind of con artist just out to bilk an Ivy for a free degree makes no sense.

You know all those kids whose parents spent thousands to manipulate their way into college? Well they were largely crap students. That's why their crazy parents were doing that. These were kids who were NOT competitive athletes or academic superstars, and their parents lied about it to get them in anyway.

But the thing about Mackenzie is that the minute she got to Penn, what did she do? Work her butt off for good grades, develop strong relationships with professors, join school activities focused on public interest work, major in social work, apply to a 5 year masters program. Does this sound like someone trying to "steal" an education to you? Majoring in a low-income, caring profession, signing up for additional coursework, dedicating herself to public interest?

Honestly, if she conned her way in, I'm glad she did, because the average Penn student doesn't work that hard or invest as heavily into helping others. Schools could use more hardworking, dedicated, charitably minded con artists, then.

More word vomit to deflect away from your, I mean her, mediocre ACT or SAT score. And the fact that she was not a National Merit Semifinalist. Btw what was her Official AP score in Chemistry? I bet it was a 2 or 3. She would have been at Mizzou were it not for this scheme.

Now you’re stating your fabrications as established facts. You really are a piece of work, beating up on a kid who was an abused child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

I'm actually glad you brought that up because it brings us to one of the many ways in which the theory that Mackenzie was some kind of con artist just out to bilk an Ivy for a free degree makes no sense.

You know all those kids whose parents spent thousands to manipulate their way into college? Well they were largely crap students. That's why their crazy parents were doing that. These were kids who were NOT competitive athletes or academic superstars, and their parents lied about it to get them in anyway.

But the thing about Mackenzie is that the minute she got to Penn, what did she do? Work her butt off for good grades, develop strong relationships with professors, join school activities focused on public interest work, major in social work, apply to a 5 year masters program. Does this sound like someone trying to "steal" an education to you? Majoring in a low-income, caring profession, signing up for additional coursework, dedicating herself to public interest?

Honestly, if she conned her way in, I'm glad she did, because the average Penn student doesn't work that hard or invest as heavily into helping others. Schools could use more hardworking, dedicated, charitably minded con artists, then.

More word vomit to deflect away from your, I mean her, mediocre ACT or SAT score. And the fact that she was not a National Merit Semifinalist. Btw what was her Official AP score in Chemistry? I bet it was a 2 or 3. She would have been at Mizzou were it not for this scheme.

Listen, I know you are upset about the idea of this person getting into Penn instead of you or your child, but as a total bystander to all of this, I could not care less about her SAT/ACT score or her freaking AP Chem score. Are you joking with this. You can get a "2 or a 3" on AP Chem and get into Penn. People do it ALL THE TIME. I have no idea what her SAT/ACT is, but it was good enough to get her into Penn.

Unless Penn is arguing that they would not have admitted her were it not for her first gen status, which they aren't, I don't understand the outrage. I know someone who got into Penn with okay numbers from an elite private school, but was recruited to play on their lacrosse team. She did and was a pretty mediocre college athlete, by her own admission. Should Penn strip her of her degree? She's a smart and hardworking person who has done a lot of good with the education she acquired there. Like Mackenzie.

I think Mackenzie is right that this is about Penn wanting her to fit into a specific box for "high needs" and being mad when she doesn't. But that doesn't mean she wasn't in need of support. It means she's a real person, not an after school special.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

What fraud? Did you read both Questbridge’s and Penn’s definition of first gen?

Can you not read? The lies in the application ! Like the sister!

Good lord. Learn to read before responding. The comment was “The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.” The claim is about her being a fraud based on first gem. That has nothing to do with the sister.

The fact she lied I. The Questbridge application about the sister -and numerous other factors -is the beginning of many acts of fraud.

You apparently don’t know the meaning of the word “fraud”.

You’re making a fool of yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Penn is just wrong. There is no way around that First Gen means her even by its definition. Colleges suck at any legal or disciple issues. If you have a child involved at all, lawyer up with lawyers they can't screw with. If you don't have the money to do that you will be screwed.

No. Go back and read. The first fraudulent move was Questbridge which supported her application as a a first-gen. That was her first act of fraud.

Exactly. And even before that, note in the New Yorker piece she claims a college counselor at $30k yr Whitfield School randomly first told her she technically qualified for Questbridge. And she just randomly stumbled into the FGLI group her first semester at Penn. And she just randomly met a Rhodes Scholar who randomly encouraged her to apply. And she just carelessly retweeted articles she claims were full of falsehoods. Every ruthless choreographed move she made she tries to pass off like someone casually and randomly told her or it was just purely serendipitous she stumbled upon something or just an accident. Sort of like Stanford Duck Syndrome. She's trying really hard to look carefree, as if she's not trying really hard and playing every angle and exploiting people. It's so obvious and happens over and over and over. Seems like a tactic to try and deflect from the fact she's a calculated schemer.

You're making the case for how smart she is, that as an abused high school student she had the wherewithal and intelligence to discover the way to get into school through the organization Questbridge, which most high school students don't even know about.

Also I doubt she's had a carefree moment in her life. When you're an abused kid that's just not possible.

To get into a school she was not qualified for* as a dime a dozen A and B student with a mediocre SAT/ACT score and to loot over 300 thousand dollars in aid.

The playbook for Questbridge and other admissions hooks has been detailed various books, on reddit sub-forums, and notably ad nauseam on College Confidential forums for 22 years. College Confidential literally has a Questbridge sub-forum: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/c/financial-aid-scholarships/questbridge-programs/47

I would bet she obsessively read College Confidential forums and since kids detail all of their hooks, the two hooks she seized on were foster and Questbridge.

WHO ARE YOU? Do you spin all sort of fiction routinely?

Seriously. The idea that some 16 yo is going to try and get into foster care in the hopes of getting a Questbridge scholarship is crazy but at this point even if it was true I would start to wonder wth was going in that house that the grew up that way.

Yeah, nobody would ever do something crazy to steal $320,000 worth of aid and to punch a ticket into an Ivy League college. I mean it's not like we didn't just seen dozens of multi-millionaires literally go to prison for conning their kids into Ivy League, Georgetown, and USC.

Yeah, there are people who would do that. They’re called sociopaths. . . people like Penn alum Donald Trump. They major in Business to prepare for a life time of exploiting people with schemes like Trump University.

They don’t get an MSW to prepare for a life time of helping people in need.

Your characterization of her doesn’t fit her actual narrative in the real world.

"She added that she would either like to start her own organization or work in the federal government to create more policies to benefit foster youth."
https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/penn-rhodes-scholar-mackenzie-fierceton-university-of-oxford

Politicians, even just in the making, are known for embracing self-sacrifice, not ambition.