GT/AAP Appeals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can assure you that you do not buy a wisc score. What you are buying is someone's time...2-4 hours of a professional who will administer and score the test. The outcome will be what it will be. Not every kid who takes the WISC scores high.

I suspect you are not in a position to judge who belongs and who does not.

Agree with this.

I don't think most psychologists would risk his/her license or do something against code of conduct just to inflate testing scores for his/her clients. On the other hand, GRBS has a higher chance to be rated incorrectly due to its subjective nature. I'm not saying an IQ test is perfect, but I would trust a high WISC a lot more than CogAT, NNAT or GBRS, especially GBRS.

FWIW, DC got in during regular selection process. In our case, past WISC scores (for other purposes) lined up well with NNAT, CogAT and GBRS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:16:52 Just curious if you are that dissapointed what are you going to do for the next four years? It is my understanding that the children all stay together.

very good question. The middle school GT will attend is one of the two best, if not the best, so I think that will be o.k.
as far as next year at the Center, if there are, say, 4 classes per grade, they scramble them up ech year, so DC will be with different kids from this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can assure you that you do not buy a wisc score. What you are buying is someone's time...2-4 hours of a professional who will administer and score the test. The outcome will be what it will be. Not every kid who takes the WISC scores high.

I suspect you are not in a position to judge who belongs and who does not.

Agree with this.

I don't think most psychologists would risk his/her license or do something against code of conduct just to inflate testing scores for his/her clients. On the other hand, GRBS has a higher chance to be rated incorrectly due to its subjective nature. I'm not saying an IQ test is perfect, but I would trust a high WISC a lot more than CogAT, NNAT or GBRS, especially GBRS.
FWIW, DC got in during regular selection process. In our case, past WISC scores (for other purposes) lined up well with NNAT, CogAT and GBRS.

trust it for what? To show akid's I.Q.? And what does that prove exactly. I thought this was the AAPprogram. I.Q. alone doesn't prove squiddly. Thankfully they take alot more than just that into consideration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:trust it for what? To show akid's I.Q.? And what does that prove exactly. I thought this was the AAPprogram. I.Q. alone doesn't prove squiddly. Thankfully they take alot more than just that into consideration.

It's the county who made the decision to use WISC as one of the accepted tests. From the accuracy stand point, individual testing results are more accurate than group testing results or GBRS. This is imperfect selection process, ideally, all the accumulative results would reflect a child's true ability. But under certain circumstances where a child doesn't do well in a group test or didn't get a high score from his/her school, then at least a high WISC deserves another look.

weiging each individual testing/score, WISC definitely weighs more than CogAT or NNAT or GBRS.

If affordable, WISC/WJ (or other individual IQ/Achievement pair) would show a better picture than WISC alone. Keep in mind, CogAT is supposed to be an ability test, NNAT is definitely not achievement. So basically WISC tests something similar, just more in depth and more well-established thus more accurate.

[Anonymous]

i really hope my son is not looked down upon at GT. he is bright, was in the pool, just because of one test score, gbrs 14. but he comes from a lowerin performing school, and i bet the staff there really wants their kids to succeed, so send the brighter one on to GT. i kind of think all the in pool kids got in, but not really sure.

but this will be great for my child, and he will be surrounded by like minds.

yes, they differentiate within, since they have 2 classes per grade, so maybe he won't be in the high one.

and now one for all to hate---i don't have to move into a more expensive school district right away, just to have him in a more challenging school!

hooray!

[Anonymous]

Best of luck to your son, and thank you for the refreshing post (admitting that your child may not be perfect, a rarity here). My child was in the pool but was rejected with a GBRS of 12. So, I'd say your GBRS of 14 made the difference. Congrats, and I'm sure your child will do very well at the Center.

[Anonymous]

14:07 Just curious, what was the cogat and nnat score of your DC who appealed last year with new wisc and GBRS 7

[Anonymous]

19:03 here again

but really, is he a gbrs 14 kind of kid? i was surprised. we also hear he is sometimes distracted, talks too much, etc. does not always participate in class.

i really think his school pushes the brighter kids on to gt.

now if we were at a higher income/performing school, my child probably would not have been so in need of GT. higher income schools have higher achieving students and more involved parents.

it seems there may be some in house "re-districting" just a thought.

[Anonymous]

Can we fed-ex the appeal form and the stuff ? or do I only mail?

[Anonymous]

No idea about Fed Ex. Form says only it must be "postmarked" by June 1. Does Fed Ex even provide a "postmark?" I'm thinking of sending it by regular mail but with receipt confirmation (as suggested on another thread).

[Anonymous]

To 15:36

You are a complete joke with your opinion. Instead of your negative opinion, oh, I forgot, it’s your DC’s opinion, be little more considerate of the parents appealing.

BTW, I only said "thriving" once since this will be my 2nd post. My DC is truly thriving at the center-academically and socially. DC came out of shyness and became a social butterfly at the center. That tells me that DC was possibly bored in GE and maybe being around peers that are like DC made the difference. Why do you think that we are pushing our kids into program that they don't belong to? We, as a parents know what is best for our children. Also, getting 147 WISC score is no joke. Can you imagine how many kids are left behind because parents cannot afford the test? We were fortunate that we were able to pay for the test. I am even thinking about starting a non-profit organization to help less fortunate kids.

While, I am not 100% happy with the program-it could be more challenging, I am very happy with my DC's progress at the center.

[Anonymous]

I believe 15:36. My DC knows which kids are at the same level as her and who is slower to get concepts. The kids at school talk about these things I guess. I'm suprised they get the differences already.... but they do.

[Anonymous]

Your kid does not understand giftedness. Read the technical reports that accompany the WISC and you (or your precocious child) will learn that giftedness is not about processing speed (PSI) or even working memory (WMI) but is all about unusual ability to abstract (PRI) and reason (VCI). Believe it or not, there are experts in this field that no more than your child!! Can you believe that???

[Anonymous]

i think you mean know more, not no more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your kid does not understand giftedness. Read the technical reports that accompany the WISC and you (or your precocious child) will learn that giftedness is not about processing speed (PSI) or even working memory (WMI) but is all about unusual ability to abstract (PRI) and reason (VCI). Believe it or not, there are experts in this field that no more than your child!! Can you believe that???

Sniff, sniff. It's crushing to be reminded some of our kids are merely "precocious." and lack true "giftedness" which appeantly you define as a real high WISC score.
I believe it's called the AAP program now for a reason. Believe it or not there are kids no more than some parents about what is going on. Better yet, the teachers no more than some parents about what is going on. Some parents no less than they think they do.