I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
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Sorry, but +1 |
Anonymous
Maybe don’t wait until day of as your only option? |
Anonymous
So you think that a man who was once third in line to the Presidency, just like Nancy Pelosi and Paul Ryan should be denied his right to vote because he's too old to have a driver's license as well as administrative BS. OK. Truly the greatest country in the world. /s |
Anonymous
You are dense. |
Anonymous
Voting is a right. It isn’t supposed to be a bureaucratic maze. Have you ever known any poor people? They aren’t as likely to live at the same address for 30 years. They move around, their situations and relationships change. It’s common for some people to have IDs that they have expired, have old addresses, different names, old photos, etc. that won’t be accepted. They may live with family, friends, other people and don’t have leases or bills in their names. They don’t update everything every time something changes. These are real people who have rights and have plenty at stake in every election. It affects blacks disproportionately because local government officials are more likely to target them and reject their imperfect documents over minor technicalities but let white grandmas with similar documents vote. |
Anonymous
I find that the people who say it’s not that hard to get an ID have lead a pretty easy life in that they’ve had steady, good paying jobs, access to transportation, probably haven’t had to move much, have enough money to pay for duplicate documents, access to a easy access to a computer to locate documents, and has bills, leases, property, etc. in their own name. I took a break from my career to stay home with my kids. While I was a SAHM I had to renew my license and the Real ID law had gone into effect. I’m a lawyer and pulling all the required documents was no joke. I was lucky—I had a passport because we are affluent enough to be able to take a vacation outside of the US and I also needed it for work. If I didn’t have the passport I would have needed more documents. I was also lucky that we own a home and both of our names are on the tax bill. Having that document made things easier. Fortunately when we bought our house we shared the responsibility of calling and establishing various utility accounts so some of the utilities were in my name. That helped too. Oh, yes, I had a 401k and investment accounts in my own name so that helped. You may say it’s no big deal getting an ID but actually it is not easy and many states require an ID that actually requires you to produce a monumental amount of documents,the vast majority of which are easier to obtain the more affluence you have. Voting is a Constitutional right. Entering a restaurant or going to a concert isn’t. |
Anonymous
So sad you had to work to get your Real ID. But, you do realize that nobody needs a Real ID to vote, right? The hoops you jumped through were a result of you wanting to get a Real ID. Most states that require photo ID give it away for free and the documentation needed is nothing like getting a Real ID. |
Anonymous
He should have to follow the rules like anyone else. Are you suggesting the elites get special privileges over ordinary people? |
Anonymous
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If the GOP had its way, yes you would need a real id, since that is the standard now.
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Anonymous
Why do people need to make this so difficult? 1) Birth certificate or passport, 2) social security card or W2 and 3) two current bills or driver's license or mortgage/rent statement. You can order a birth certificate online if you don't have yours (it's not expensive or difficult), everyone should have #2 and #3. Why are people so flustered by this? |
Anonymous
Fortunately, since states still have the right to outline the type of ID, this is not the case - nor will it be. Unless, of course, the Dems federalize elections and insist Real ID is the only acceptable form of ID. So, just need to point out at this point.... The GOP has its way in states run by the GOP. Not one of the states requires Real ID. So, your comment is not only false, it is dumb. |
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These people that don’t have proper IDs are pretty privileged to have gotten through so much of their life here without worrying about what might happen to them without proper documentation.
So many that immigrate here and become US citizens understand the importance of documents. Saying voting is a right is nice but what comes with rights is responsibility. Being a U.S. citizen comes with some responsibility. Making sure you are able to exercise your right to vote by keeping track of what documents you need to ensure that right is part of being a citizen. It would be more beneficial to have more organizations that can work with people that need help with getting their documents in order so they can exercise their right to vote. Go out into the community and get these folks on board and help them get their IDs. Like that saying about teaching them how to fish. If junior sees that grandpa can get it done, then it will not feel like as big of an obstacle for junior. Baby steps that ensures every citizen knows what to do and can get the help to do it. |
Anonymous
-2 Regardless of whether it's Real ID or not there is still a ton of bureaucracy involved. The extreme bureaucracy and dysfunction of DMVs makes it highly likely that people will end up losing out on voting, for example even the time it takes to get an appointment with the DMV. And still none of the pro-ID proponents have made any sort of compelling case whatsoever for why this is actually such a necessity. The number of proven cases of in-person voter fraud are extremely low, nowhere near enough to even influence election outcomes. And some of the laws are completely inconsistent. If a gun carry permit is allowed then why not a student ID? What gives a gun owner more right to easily vote than a college student? |
Anonymous
They restricted many other forms of ID which were previously acceptable, even including student ID issued by a state university. Why? Can you show me evidence of universities fraudulently handing out ID like candy to anyone who wants it? Can you show me evidence of large scale voter fraud involving student ID? What's the rationale for restricting them? Without a legitimately justifiable rationale, the law changes being made in GOP states are at the very least dumb, and at worst, specifically intended to disenfranchise. |