do college admissions get ugly at the Big3 when all the parents are Ivy grads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will probably be controversial but, according to my kid, the students who attend Ivy League universities are pretty obvious choices. I have no idea if they are legacy or not, but my son seems to think they are pretty deserving.

And anecdotally, a few of my son’s friends went to HYP and I don’t think their kids will even apply. So I don’t think it matter a ton where parents go.

+1

We are HYPSM, and our kids chose totally different routes, and that is fine with us. It really is not about us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

People have explained this already and why they believe it would be helpful to them. If you disagree, that’s fine. But can you explain why you think the school should not publish a list, or why you think publishing a list would actually be a negative or bad thing?

It is not up to the school to provide you with a list of where current seniors are going to be matriculating or where the class of 2021 ended up etc.

So if you want to know that Larla went to Harvard and Larlo went to Chicago, that is none of your business. If you are friends with Larlo or Larla's parents, they will tell you. If your kid is friends with them, they will tell your kid. Otherwise, it just isn't your concern.

Add to it, if what you want is "here is where the class of 2021 went to college" and it is just a list of schools, how does that help you or your kid? Or how is it any different than the aggregate list the school already provides?

If you perceive that your kid is like Bobby and are interested where Bobby went to school, and you find out he is at Michigan, but your kid only wants to go to a SLAC, then what difference does it make knowing where Bobby went?

But that is pretty much standard for other schools. Why shouldn’t Sidwell provide it? How would it be a bad thing for them to provide it? Again, your assertion that you believe it wouldn’t be helpful to me or my kid is not an answer to these questions.

[Anonymous]

Again, if you want to know where a kid went to school, as if it is your business, you should ask them. It is not up to the school to disclose that information.

You are just being nosy. It doesn't impact how your kid will be going about their selection and application process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

People have explained this already and why they believe it would be helpful to them. If you disagree, that’s fine. But can you explain why you think the school should not publish a list, or why you think publishing a list would actually be a negative or bad thing?

It is not up to the school to provide you with a list of where current seniors are going to be matriculating or where the class of 2021 ended up etc.

So if you want to know that Larla went to Harvard and Larlo went to Chicago, that is none of your business. If you are friends with Larlo or Larla's parents, they will tell you. If your kid is friends with them, they will tell your kid. Otherwise, it just isn't your concern.

Add to it, if what you want is "here is where the class of 2021 went to college" and it is just a list of schools, how does that help you or your kid? Or how is it any different than the aggregate list the school already provides?

If you perceive that your kid is like Bobby and are interested where Bobby went to school, and you find out he is at Michigan, but your kid only wants to go to a SLAC, then what difference does it make knowing where Bobby went?

But that is pretty much standard for other schools. Why shouldn’t Sidwell provide it? How would it be a bad thing for them to provide it? Again, your assertion that you believe it wouldn’t be helpful to me or my kid is not an answer to these questions.

They provide it in aggregate form, which is actually more useful to understand macro trends. Having just a one year snapshot is even less helpful than you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, if you want to know where a kid went to school, as if it is your business, you should ask them. It is not up to the school to disclose that information.

You are just being nosy. It doesn't impact how your kid will be going about their selection and application process.

As posters have explained, a list that identifies college destinations for graduates, without identifying the students by name, would be helpful to them. There is a big difference between that type of list and an aggregate list that says 5 students or more have attended Brown over the past five years, and that doesn’t distinguish between 5 and 15.

Again, it’s not up to you to assert that providing such a list wouldn’t be helpful to them. They have explained why they think it would be helpful, and you just disagree with their explanations. On the other hand, you have not provided any explanation as to why you think Sidwell shouldn’t provide such a list, or why it would be a bad thing for them to do so. Can you explain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They provide it in aggregate form, which is actually more useful to understand macro trends. Having just a one year snapshot is even less helpful than you think it is.

No, they don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They provide it in aggregate form, which is actually more useful to understand macro trends. Having just a one year snapshot is even less helpful than you think it is.

No, they don’t.

Yes, they do. Someone posted the direct link to is a page or two back in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They provide it in aggregate form, which is actually more useful to understand macro trends. Having just a one year snapshot is even less helpful than you think it is.

No, they don’t.

Yes, they do. Someone posted the direct link to is a page or two back in this thread.

I have had kids in the upper school including a kid currently involved in the college process. The link that was posted just lists all colleges attended, and bolds “five or more” attended, over a six year period. That’s not an aggregate list in any way and, per above, there’s a huge difference between 5 and 15 and also a huge difference between 1 and 4.

[Anonymous]

A lot of schools don’t provide list of each year. NCS doesn’t. Neither does St. Andrew’s Episcopal, Gonzaga or several of the Catholic high schools. Does it make a difference if 5 or 15 got into Brown? That doesn’t suddenly mean your kid has a better shot. Maybe those kids are truly amazing or have super connected parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, if you want to know where a kid went to school, as if it is your business, you should ask them. It is not up to the school to disclose that information.

You are just being nosy. It doesn't impact how your kid will be going about their selection and application process.

As posters have explained, a list that identifies college destinations for graduates, without identifying the students by name, would be helpful to them. There is a big difference between that type of list and an aggregate list that says 5 students or more have attended Brown over the past five years, and that doesn’t distinguish between 5 and 15.

Again, it’s not up to you to assert that providing such a list wouldn’t be helpful to them. They have explained why they think it would be helpful, and you just disagree with their explanations. On the other hand, you have not provided any explanation as to why you think Sidwell shouldn’t provide such a list, or why it would be a bad thing for them to do so. Can you explain?

So the assertion is that a list of schools with a number next to it in brackets indicated the number from the grade, if more than one, is helpful? Please explain how.

Here is a helping hand

Amherst (2)
Barnard (2)
Bates (3)
Berkely (2)
Berklee
Bodoin (3)
Boston U
Brown (3)
Bryn Mawr
Carleton (2)
Carnegi-Mellon (2)
Case Western (2)
Chicago (8)
Colby (2)
Colgate
Cornell (3)
Dartmouth (2)
Emory (2)
Franklin & Marshall
Harvard (4)
Johns Hopkins (2)
Georgetown (4)
Michigan (6)
Middlebury (2)
Northeastern
Northwestern
Oberlin
Occidental (2)
Oxford (UK)
Pitzer
Pomona
UPenn (8)
Penn State
Princeton
NYU (4)
Stanford (3)
Swarthmore (2)
Tufts
Tulane (9)
UCLA (2)
USC (2)
Yale (6)
Vanderbilt (2)
WashU (3)
Weslyan (3)
William and Mary (5)
Wisconsin

Ok, so please educate me as to how this list helps inform anything for your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, if you want to know where a kid went to school, as if it is your business, you should ask them. It is not up to the school to disclose that information.

You are just being nosy. It doesn't impact how your kid will be going about their selection and application process.

As posters have explained, a list that identifies college destinations for graduates, without identifying the students by name, would be helpful to them. There is a big difference between that type of list and an aggregate list that says 5 students or more have attended Brown over the past five years, and that doesn’t distinguish between 5 and 15.

Again, it’s not up to you to assert that providing such a list wouldn’t be helpful to them. They have explained why they think it would be helpful, and you just disagree with their explanations. On the other hand, you have not provided any explanation as to why you think Sidwell shouldn’t provide such a list, or why it would be a bad thing for them to do so. Can you explain?

So the assertion is that a list of schools with a number next to it in brackets indicated the number from the grade, if more than one, is helpful? Please explain how.

Here is a helping hand

Amherst (2)
Barnard (2)
Bates (3)
Berkely (2)
Berklee
Bodoin (3)
Boston U
Brown (3)
Bryn Mawr
Carleton (2)
Carnegi-Mellon (2)
Case Western (2)
Chicago (8)
Colby (2)
Colgate
Cornell (3)
Dartmouth (2)
Emory (2)
Franklin & Marshall
Harvard (4)
Johns Hopkins (2)
Georgetown (4)
Michigan (6)
Middlebury (2)
Northeastern
Northwestern
Oberlin
Occidental (2)
Oxford (UK)
Pitzer
Pomona
UPenn (8)
Penn State
Princeton
NYU (4)
Stanford (3)
Swarthmore (2)
Tufts
Tulane (9)
UCLA (2)
USC (2)
Yale (6)
Vanderbilt (2)
WashU (3)
Weslyan (3)
William and Mary (5)
Wisconsin

Ok, so please educate me as to how this list helps inform anything for your child.

A list like this would actually tell me a lot and provide my student with a lot of helpful contextual information. But all the explaining in this discussion appears to be one way. So please educate me as to why Sidwell should not provide such a list and why it would be a bad thing for them to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, if you want to know where a kid went to school, as if it is your business, you should ask them. It is not up to the school to disclose that information.

You are just being nosy. It doesn't impact how your kid will be going about their selection and application process.

As posters have explained, a list that identifies college destinations for graduates, without identifying the students by name, would be helpful to them. There is a big difference between that type of list and an aggregate list that says 5 students or more have attended Brown over the past five years, and that doesn’t distinguish between 5 and 15.

Again, it’s not up to you to assert that providing such a list wouldn’t be helpful to them. They have explained why they think it would be helpful, and you just disagree with their explanations. On the other hand, you have not provided any explanation as to why you think Sidwell shouldn’t provide such a list, or why it would be a bad thing for them to do so. Can you explain?

So the assertion is that a list of schools with a number next to it in brackets indicated the number from the grade, if more than one, is helpful? Please explain how.

Here is a helping hand

Amherst (2)
Barnard (2)
Bates (3)
Berkely (2)
Berklee
Bodoin (3)
Boston U
Brown (3)
Bryn Mawr
Carleton (2)
Carnegi-Mellon (2)
Case Western (2)
Chicago (8)
Colby (2)
Colgate
Cornell (3)
Dartmouth (2)
Emory (2)
Franklin & Marshall
Harvard (4)
Johns Hopkins (2)
Georgetown (4)
Michigan (6)
Middlebury (2)
Northeastern
Northwestern
Oberlin
Occidental (2)
Oxford (UK)
Pitzer
Pomona
UPenn (8)
Penn State
Princeton
NYU (4)
Stanford (3)
Swarthmore (2)
Tufts
Tulane (9)
UCLA (2)
USC (2)
Yale (6)
Vanderbilt (2)
WashU (3)
Weslyan (3)
William and Mary (5)
Wisconsin

Ok, so please educate me as to how this list helps inform anything for your child.

A list like this would actually tell me a lot and provide my student with a lot of helpful contextual information. But all the explaining in this discussion appears to be one way. So please educate me as to why Sidwell should not provide such a list and why it would be a bad thing for them to do so.

You haven’t explained how this list helps. What contextual info are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ok, so please educate me as to how this list helps inform anything for your child.

A list like this would actually tell me a lot and provide my student with a lot of helpful contextual information. But all the explaining in this discussion appears to be one way. So please educate me as to why Sidwell should not provide such a list and why it would be a bad thing for them to do so.

You haven’t explained how this list helps. What contextual info are you talking about?

Explanations have been provided repeatedly over the course of this discussion. You just don’t agree with them or think it would be helpful.

On the other hand, you haven’t explained why Sidwell shouldn’t provide such a list, or why it would be a bad thing for them to do so. Can you do so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ok, so please educate me as to how this list helps inform anything for your child.

A list like this would actually tell me a lot and provide my student with a lot of helpful contextual information. But all the explaining in this discussion appears to be one way. So please educate me as to why Sidwell should not provide such a list and why it would be a bad thing for them to do so.

You haven’t explained how this list helps. What contextual info are you talking about?

Explanations have been provided repeatedly over the course of this discussion. You just don’t agree with them or think it would be helpful.

On the other hand, you haven’t explained why Sidwell shouldn’t provide such a list, or why it would be a bad thing for them to do so. Can you do so?

i'm not the PP, I think the list is marginally interesting from the standpoint of how the school is doing. It's probably a loose proxy for the effectiveness of the college office as well.

However, it seems that this list, absent any context is potentially misleading. They can't tell you what student got in where, so if someone was an athletic recruit, say, you have no way of knowing. It seems very easy to draw the wrong conclusions from a list like this. Then the college office is trying to steer someone towards a more realistic set of schools but they're constantly having the list thrust in their faces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

People have explained this already and why they believe it would be helpful to them. If you disagree, that’s fine. But can you explain why you think the school should not publish a list, or why you think publishing a list would actually be a negative or bad thing?

It is not up to the school to provide you with a list of where current seniors are going to be matriculating or where the class of 2021 ended up etc.

So if you want to know that Larla went to Harvard and Larlo went to Chicago, that is none of your business. If you are friends with Larlo or Larla's parents, they will tell you. If your kid is friends with them, they will tell your kid. Otherwise, it just isn't your concern.

Add to it, if what you want is "here is where the class of 2021 went to college" and it is just a list of schools, how does that help you or your kid? Or how is it any different than the aggregate list the school already provides?

If you perceive that your kid is like Bobby and are interested where Bobby went to school, and you find out he is at Michigan, but your kid only wants to go to a SLAC, then what difference does it make knowing where Bobby went?

*** If you perceive that your kid is like Bobby and are interested where Bobby went to school ***

The above is exactly why the list would be useful.