Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?

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Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Correction:

It is not melodrama. It is math. How do you get the demographics you want and reduce Asians without having having a transparent race quota? Lower the bar for scores. Get more students in the lottery pool. Logic being that with a lower bar you can get more non-Asian kids. And now with a broader pool do a lottery. Sprinkle in some other factors just in case so that you can put your finger on the scale in case the lower bar doesn't work. Voila! You have your desired reduction/purge of Asian kids with a sneaky defacto quota incorporated. Why is the process so difficult to understand?

Now of course second order effects are 1. Lottery means unpredictability and so parents won't really consider the magnets as something you can count on. So some families will move to better school districts. 2. The quality of the magnet class goes down and so it is not something people will aspire for and that's a downward spiral. Essentially in a few years the magnets will be just above average programs in large schools which benefited from having the magnets. 3. Basic problems with MCPS schools with groups that have been lagging will be glossed over by showing a few kids in magnet programs. Overall, loss loss for the entire community. A few progressive activities who have no kids or no kids eligible for Montgomery county magnets will declare victory and move on to dismantle some other place - road to hell was paved with good intentions.

It is such an obvious approach. Unfortunately a loss for the community and MCPS. Don't worry about the Asians. They will do fine.

Doesn't mean there won't be a legal challenge against the principle given the transparent objectives and the resultant dramatic reduction in Asian percentages. Sometimes it is just not enough to put your head down and work - as the Asian community has done. The blatant racism from the so called progressives is just too much.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

[Anonymous]

They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

Just the opposite. My child had perfect CogATs last time they took them. Had the highest map scores in their school and straight A's. They were passed over by the lottery too. I guess I understand that it's not about them or me but there's a greater context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

This link is broken but I did see their announcement a few days ago that listed the days on which CogAT would be administered to various grades. This seems to contradict the information that may have been at your broken link.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

Just the opposite. My child had perfect CogATs last time they took them. Had the highest map scores in their school and straight A's. They were passed over by the lottery too. I guess I understand that it's not about them or me but there's a greater context.

This. It's about equity. It's about getting as many black and brown kids into those programs as possible regardless of their ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

This link is broken but I did see their announcement a few days ago that listed the days on which CogAT would be administered to various grades. This seems to contradict the information that may have been at your broken link.

DP. The link worked fine for me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

Just the opposite. My child had perfect CogATs last time they took them. Had the highest map scores in their school and straight A's. They were passed over by the lottery too. I guess I understand that it's not about them or me but there's a greater context.

Perfect COGAT. What does that mean? How do you know your kid had the highest MAP score? Such obvious lies. Just do everyone a favor. Go away and do some other useless thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

Just the opposite. My child had perfect CogATs last time they took them. Had the highest map scores in their school and straight A's. They were passed over by the lottery too. I guess I understand that it's not about them or me but there's a greater context.

This. It's about equity. It's about getting as many black and brown kids into those programs as possible regardless of their ability.

This. Is just lying. And so obvious. You are embarrassing yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

This link is broken but I did see their announcement a few days ago that listed the days on which CogAT would be administered to various grades. This seems to contradict the information that may have been at your broken link.

DP. The link worked fine for me.

Another DP. Me, too. Lottery for MS magnets. Unclear whether cogat will be needed for magnet HS apps, but was on the schedule someone else referred to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

This link is broken but I did see their announcement a few days ago that listed the days on which CogAT would be administered to various grades. This seems to contradict the information that may have been at your broken link.

DP. The link worked fine for me.

Dear Parents/Guardians of Grade 5 Students:
Montgomery County Public Schools offers various opportunities for rising Grade 6 students who
demonstrate the potential to be successful in enriched and accelerated programming. These
opportunities are in both the local middle schools and regional middle school magnet (interest and
criteria-based) programs. Local enriched opportunities include two enriched courses in humanities and
math along with additional high school credit courses offered in middle school. The regional magnet
programs include the Middle School Magnet Consortium (MSMC/interest-based) and regional magnet
(criteria-based) programs.
The MSMC includes Argyle MS for Digital Design and Development, A. Mario Loiederman MS for
Creative and Performing Arts and Parkland MS for Aerospace Technology. Interested parents may apply
to the programs in October 2021. The MSMC parent/student information session is available on the
MCPS website.
The (criteria-based) magnet programs include the Humanities and Communication program at Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr. (upcounty) and Eastern (downcounty); and Math, Science and Computer Science at
Roberto Clemente (upcounty) and Takoma Park (downcounty). A student’s home address determines
which regional program (upcounty) or (downcounty) they would be considered.
For these programs, the admission plan will begin with the universal review of Grade 5 students by
utilizing student performance information about how students learn. Students whose data indicate that
their overall academic profile may demonstrate the potential to succeed in enriched and accelerated
instruction will be considered for a seat in either the Humanities and Communication and/or Math,
Science, Computer Science programs and/or local enriched programming without having to submit an
application.
Multiple criteria will continue to be used to identify students for enriched services and include 2020-2021
and 2021-2022 data such as report card grades, reading level, external assessments Measures of
Academic Progress-Reading (MAP-R) and Measures of Academic Progress-Math (MAP-M) and student
services (students who receive services in ESOL- English for Speakers of Other Languages, FARMS-
Free and Reduced Meals System, IEP- Individualized Education Plan or a 504 plan). The Cognitive
Abilities Assessment (CogAT) will not be administered this year.
The universal review process will occur in December 2021 by identifying the students who demonstrate
the potential to be successful in enriched services. These students will be placed into a lottery pool. All
students in the lottery pool are guaranteed enriched instruction either in the regional magnet or local
enriched courses. Students with missing data, such as students new to MCPS for the 2021-2022 school
year, private/home schooled students may be considered for placement into the candidate pool by an
expert review panel pending all required data is submitted. See below for more information. Once the
lottery pool has been identified, a lottery will be conducted for placement into a regional magnet program.