Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

Ah.

Only the Republicans can save us? Fascinating agenda.

Nah, Joe will do just fine.

Keeping it simple since you’re so avowedly helpless.

Baby steps.

No no. Stick with your narrative arc it is truly fascinating.

First it was “no one is demanding the hostages be released!”

(Everyone including the UN Security Council demanded the hostages be released, Israel pressures the U.S. who abstains)

Then it was “you aren’t calling for Hamas to surrender!”

(Everyone points out that Hamas does not care at all what we think. Posters who do think Hamas should surrender are called naive)

And now it’s “the only way you aren’t Pro-Hamas is if you vote for politicians who want to spend billions supporting Israel and containing Iran”

Well, Obama-Biden administration had the JCPOA which Israel opposed and Trump left. So who does that leave us with?

Oh right. The Republicans.

So your narrative is the only way you’re not pro-Hamas is if you vote for Republicans.

Thanks but no thanks, my MAGA friend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

So you don’t believe that Israel, a state duly established and constituted by the United Nations, should exist.

I agree: that’s the end of the conversation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

OMG, oh no! You have spoken. The US will def correct course now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you want to erase a people, you destroy their libraries, their cemeteries, their cultural artifacts, the beautiful things they've built. Israel and Azerbaijan excel in this.

Gather a coalition of armies from countries around the world and fight back against Israel if this is all such a concern.

If the U.S. cut support, there would be 60+ armies across the globe capable of beating Israel’s brakes off within three months. Once the U.S. armaments ran out, it would be like taking candy from a baby.

And that’s really why Zionists are desperate to sustain U.S. welfare. Not because other countries are even mildly interested in attacking Israel on a level playing field “just because”. We’ve all experienced that friend who is so obtuse and completely self-unaware that they persist in claiming that others dislike them for no reason at all, certainly not for something they’ve done!

Israel wants to play bully on the world stage and not be held accountable for its atrocities. But without our support, the tough guy bravado would have to be discarded on Day 1 of this new existence. That’s the fear - deprived of having their cake, and eating it, too.

Right because the Arab states are stupid and will form a coalition to attack a nuclear power. Just like the western world is attacking North Korea.

I’d be more concerned that the IDF wouldn’t even know how to utilize the nuclear tech. we gave them without harming themselves. The Mr. Magoo revelations in this Gaza bombing orgy have cast a very harsh spotlight on their skill and capabilities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you want to erase a people, you destroy their libraries, their cemeteries, their cultural artifacts, the beautiful things they've built. Israel and Azerbaijan excel in this.

Gather a coalition of armies from countries around the world and fight back against Israel if this is all such a concern.

If the U.S. cut support, there would be 60+ armies across the globe capable of beating Israel’s brakes off within three months. Once the U.S. armaments ran out, it would be like taking candy from a baby.

And that’s really why Zionists are desperate to sustain U.S. welfare. Not because other countries are even mildly interested in attacking Israel on a level playing field “just because”. We’ve all experienced that friend who is so obtuse and completely self-unaware that they persist in claiming that others dislike them for no reason at all, certainly not for something they’ve done!

Israel wants to play bully on the world stage and not be held accountable for its atrocities. But without our support, the tough guy bravado would have to be discarded on Day 1 of this new existence. That’s the fear - deprived of having their cake, and eating it, too.

Right because the Arab states are stupid and will form a coalition to attack a nuclear power. Just like the western world is attacking North Korea.

I’d be more concerned that the IDF wouldn’t even know how to utilize the nuclear tech. we gave them without harming themselves. The Mr. Magoo revelations in this Gaza bombing orgy have cast a very harsh spotlight on their skill and capabilities.

Israel Winning (Again): Arabs Claim Victory

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you want to erase a people, you destroy their libraries, their cemeteries, their cultural artifacts, the beautiful things they've built. Israel and Azerbaijan excel in this.

Gather a coalition of armies from countries around the world and fight back against Israel if this is all such a concern.

If the U.S. cut support, there would be 60+ armies across the globe capable of beating Israel’s brakes off within three months. Once the U.S. armaments ran out, it would be like taking candy from a baby.

And that’s really why Zionists are desperate to sustain U.S. welfare. Not because other countries are even mildly interested in attacking Israel on a level playing field “just because”. We’ve all experienced that friend who is so obtuse and completely self-unaware that they persist in claiming that others dislike them for no reason at all, certainly not for something they’ve done!

Israel wants to play bully on the world stage and not be held accountable for its atrocities. But without our support, the tough guy bravado would have to be discarded on Day 1 of this new existence. That’s the fear - deprived of having their cake, and eating it, too.

Right because the Arab states are stupid and will form a coalition to attack a nuclear power. Just like the western world is attacking North Korea.

I’d be more concerned that the IDF wouldn’t even know how to utilize the nuclear tech. we gave them without harming themselves. The Mr. Magoo revelations in this Gaza bombing orgy have cast a very harsh spotlight on their skill and capabilities.

The IDF is taking your concern to heart and is currently working on pushing it up the chain of command. Thank you for your service to the State of Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

So you don’t believe that Israel, a state duly established and constituted by the United Nations, should exist.

I agree: that’s the end of the conversation.

Wasn't there a poster who argued, rather passionately, that states come and go, borders move and everyone should just shrug and go back to eating lunch? Then why do we have to be passionately committed to the existence of any state?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

So you don’t believe that Israel, a state duly established and constituted by the United Nations, should exist.

I agree: that’s the end of the conversation.

Nice straw man, you make that yourself or pick it up at the Dollar Store?

But seriously, the “feelings don’t matter, nothing matters” guy from Russia or Ukraine or wherever has told us over and over again that borders change, nation states fall all the time, and the ethnic composition of countries change throughout history, too. If that’s true, what’s the problem if any of those happens to Israel? I mean, Israel doesn’t deserve preferential treatment or a special status, right? I’m indifferent, but you don’t seem indifferent.

Why is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you want to erase a people, you destroy their libraries, their cemeteries, their cultural artifacts, the beautiful things they've built. Israel and Azerbaijan excel in this.

Gather a coalition of armies from countries around the world and fight back against Israel if this is all such a concern.

If the U.S. cut support, there would be 60+ armies across the globe capable of beating Israel’s brakes off within three months. Once the U.S. armaments ran out, it would be like taking candy from a baby.

And that’s really why Zionists are desperate to sustain U.S. welfare. Not because other countries are even mildly interested in attacking Israel on a level playing field “just because”. We’ve all experienced that friend who is so obtuse and completely self-unaware that they persist in claiming that others dislike them for no reason at all, certainly not for something they’ve done!

Israel wants to play bully on the world stage and not be held accountable for its atrocities. But without our support, the tough guy bravado would have to be discarded on Day 1 of this new existence. That’s the fear - deprived of having their cake, and eating it, too.

Right because the Arab states are stupid and will form a coalition to attack a nuclear power. Just like the western world is attacking North Korea.

I’d be more concerned that the IDF wouldn’t even know how to utilize the nuclear tech. we gave them without harming themselves. The Mr. Magoo revelations in this Gaza bombing orgy have cast a very harsh spotlight on their skill and capabilities.

The IDF is taking your concern to heart and is currently working on pushing it up the chain of command. Thank you for your service to the State of Israel.

Do they know up from down, though?

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people here who have ignored atrocities in Africa, Central America, Ukraine, etc. but are breathlessly horrified that some bodies in a war zone in Israel decayed is not zero.

I'm glad you finally learned war is a horrible, horrible thing, Virginia. I wonder when you will learn that it is also a horrible, horrible thing to not know if there are bombs in a parked car near your elementary school or temple, or if that neighbor of yours for thirty years secretly wants you dead. Terrorist acts have consequences. And you, sitting in a Bethesda parking lot in your Saudi-powered SUV while the kids are at Mathnesium, have the luxury of no consequences.

So we shouldn't care when our closest "ally" is murdering women and children with our tax dollars?

You don't need to pay taxes, you can choose not to work. Or you can go back to the country that you care about so much. The U.S. doesn't need to change what it is doing at your command.

By the way, Israel is not our closest ally. They actually are not officially an ally. Ally has a defined meaning.

Oh gosh I hate to tell you that’s actually the whole point of elections.

If it takes Joe Biden losing an election to make him understand that young Americans do not want children killed in our name, so be it.

No one but Palestinians and Muslims are voting based on this issue. They do not care if a Republican win harms ordinary Americans day to day, all that matters is that BIden knows he didn't do what they wanted for their interest "back home". If your plan is to bring over all of your relatives from your home countries and have a lot of babies to form a group big enough to swing elections, go for it I guess, nothing we can do about it, America's open borders have consequences.

I am neither Palestinian nor Muslim but yes I will absolutely vote against the U.S.
enabling the killing of children. I am hoping our lawmakers change course before I am forced to vote against Biden but I will absolutely do so. I cannot look at my (half Jewish) child and tell her that I am just fine with children her age being killed every day by bombs the U.S. supplies. And yes I understand that means I may have to explain to her that is why we always have up to date passports in case we need to seek healthcare in Canada.

Are you planning on driving her to Canada in your gasoline-powered car? Are the kids in Yemen who are also killed by bombs the US supplies in a different tranche for you?

Not voting for Biden "because Israel" is such an absurd idea I have to think you're not arguing as a real person. Is this your new Overton window, suggesting that left wingers don't vote democrat as "protest?"

It's absurd.

As it happens I sent quite a lot of mail to my elected officials about Yemen in the 2017-19 years. Thank you for asking. And I also didn’t support U.S. sales of weapons to Saudi, and didn’t vote for Trump.

Biden has a year before the election to listen to what the voters he needs to win are saying.

Thanks for asking though. You’ve identified my very strict foreign policy criteria of “bombing and starving children is bad”. I can’t believe that constitutes a bleeding heart position these days.

If you cared about babies you would ask Hamas to surrender. Will you be ok with Israel existing as an independent state? No, you won't. That is why you are so so concerned about U.S. funding, you think Israel would not exist w/o the funding. If only that money would go away your dream would come true!

Who would you like me to ask? What is their mailing address? Do I need an international stamp? Should I specify in my note that I believe they need to surrender to the ICC so there can be a public and international accounting for their crimes to counter the astonishing amount of mis and disinformation? You let me know. I’ll get on it.

In the meantime while you’re getting me that information I’ll work on influence the people facilitating the killing of children on the other side of the divide and doing so with my tax dollars. Israel will be just fine and continue to exist without U.S. money.

Go to any current US protest and ask them if Hamas should surrender

If you think someone is present at one of those protests who has the influence with Hamas leadership to demand the release of the hostages you should be calling the FBI not posting on DCUM.

DP. Nice deflection.

Fact is, many do support Hamas. Check the polls.

Ok then answer the prior unanswered question. Who is it you want us to “call on” to release hostages? Who do you want us to call? Who do you want us to write? Given there is no support to Hamas from the U.S. where do you get the delusion that Hamas cares in the slightest about U.S. taxpayer opinion?

You could just stop marching, protesting and writing in support of Hamas.

Easy.

That isn’t “calling on” anyone. I thought you wanted us to ask Hamas to release the hostages a few pages ago?

It sounds like what you are actually saying is “shut up about Israel’s conduct or we’ll keep saying you support Hamas”

Exactly. Propagate lies to justify the sins of Israel, then when those lies lose steam or completely derail under the weight of facts, just resort to employing every dirty trick in the book to shut down the discussion. It’s tired. It’s really, really tired at this point.

"Being Israeled" is a thing. Everyone is sick of it.

We know, we know. You were Israeled by an 8 year old imaginary bully.

I was eight. She was an unusually large and heavy kid (probably around 10, based on her grade) who looked like a 14yo.

I bet she also had a mustache and wore a star of David necklace.

Nope. Just a big, fat kid who otherwise looked very ordinary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

So you don’t believe that Israel, a state duly established and constituted by the United Nations, should exist.

I agree: that’s the end of the conversation.

Nice straw man, you make that yourself or pick it up at the Dollar Store?

But seriously, the “feelings don’t matter, nothing matters” guy from Russia or Ukraine or wherever has told us over and over again that borders change, nation states fall all the time, and the ethnic composition of countries change throughout history, too. If that’s true, what’s the problem if any of those happens to Israel? I mean, Israel doesn’t deserve preferential treatment or a special status, right? I’m indifferent, but you don’t seem indifferent.

Why is that?

Not a straw man—exactly what the PP said.

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

So you don’t believe that Israel, a state duly established and constituted by the United Nations, should exist.

I agree: that’s the end of the conversation.

Nice straw man, you make that yourself or pick it up at the Dollar Store?

But seriously, the “feelings don’t matter, nothing matters” guy from Russia or Ukraine or wherever has told us over and over again that borders change, nation states fall all the time, and the ethnic composition of countries change throughout history, too. If that’s true, what’s the problem if any of those happens to Israel? I mean, Israel doesn’t deserve preferential treatment or a special status, right? I’m indifferent, but you don’t seem indifferent.

Why is that?

I am new poster. I am also someone who has said before that borders and ethnic compositions change all the time .I am a Zionist. That doesn’t mean that I believe that the current borders of Israel will remain the same for a millennia or that the ethnic composition will not change . It is plausible that Israel will undergo all kinds of changes just like any other country in the world .

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

So you don’t believe that Israel, a state duly established and constituted by the United Nations, should exist.

I agree: that’s the end of the conversation.

Wasn't there a poster who argued, rather passionately, that states come and go, borders move and everyone should just shrug and go back to eating lunch? Then why do we have to be passionately committed to the existence of any state?

It depends on how much war and instability you’re comfortable with.

Me? I’m a fan of peace, so I generally oppose the obliteration of nations.

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Anonymous wrote:When you want to erase a people, you destroy their libraries, their cemeteries, their cultural artifacts, the beautiful things they've built. Israel and Azerbaijan excel in this.

Gather a coalition of armies from countries around the world and fight back against Israel if this is all such a concern.

If the U.S. cut support, there would be 60+ armies across the globe capable of beating Israel’s brakes off within three months. Once the U.S. armaments ran out, it would be like taking candy from a baby.

And that’s really why Zionists are desperate to sustain U.S. welfare. Not because other countries are even mildly interested in attacking Israel on a level playing field “just because”. We’ve all experienced that friend who is so obtuse and completely self-unaware that they persist in claiming that others dislike them for no reason at all, certainly not for something they’ve done!

Israel wants to play bully on the world stage and not be held accountable for its atrocities. But without our support, the tough guy bravado would have to be discarded on Day 1 of this new existence. That’s the fear - deprived of having their cake, and eating it, too.

Right because the Arab states are stupid and will form a coalition to attack a nuclear power. Just like the western world is attacking North Korea.

I’d be more concerned that the IDF wouldn’t even know how to utilize the nuclear tech. we gave them without harming themselves. The Mr. Magoo revelations in this Gaza bombing orgy have cast a very harsh spotlight on their skill and capabilities.

The IDF is taking your concern to heart and is currently working on pushing it up the chain of command. Thank you for your service to the State of Israel.

What’s sad (or another sad thing) is that it’s probably the case that almost all IDF personnel are scared kids, conscripted into this never ending mess, and just as indoctrinated to fear and hate Palestinians and Muslims the exact same way the Palestinian youth are indoctrinated to resent Israel and Jews. There’s massive imbalance, of course, but it’s still just a mess.

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Anonymous wrote:To be super clear, the pro-Israel argument here is that all but ten members of the UN General Assembly— representing the overwhelming majority of the population of the world— are all pro-Hamas? Most of Europe, Japan, Australia…all pro-Hamas now?

https://time.com/6452308/us-votes-against-un-gaza-ceasefire-reactions/

What are you going on about? Are you just flooding this thread with vaguely anti-Israel nonsense to bury discussion about Hamas brutality and Palestinians' strategic embrace of terrorist violence?

The current discussion seems to be, any criticism of Israel’s conduct of the war, and the U.S.’ support thereof, is “pro-Hamas”.

So does that mean posters believe the vast majority of countries of the world are now pro-Hamas? Even the ones who supported Israel in October?

If you aren't trying to defeat Hamas, you are supporting Hamas.

Literally EVERYONE exchanging thoughts here is supportive of defeating Hamas.

The entire essence of the debate is (1) how to go about achieving that goal (either with regard for the human rights of the innocent civilians [the critics of Israel’s actions] or disregard for human life [the ride or die Zionists who want to defend Israel or obliterate the debate if that defense falls flat]), and then (2) marveling at how truly corrupt and unabashed many Zionists can be in defending the actions of the State of Israel, no matter how inhumane and bloodthirsty for revenge (while feigning shock and outrage that any other group could be allowed to resort to actions that are bloodthirsty for revenge).

if the concern was about the immediate safety of the people that would show in the approach taken--you all focusing on the long game of turning Israel into a villian are not showing care for the immediate safety of Gazans
TODAY-Hamas can surreder. Protest in the streets about that. Protest in front of Hamas's leaders. Instead you protest in front of Austin's house to play the long game in a land dispute.

You are spinning this, but the dog just don’t hunt. America has zero control over the decisions Hamas leadership are making right now. You know that. America SHOULD have nearly complete control over the decisions Israel is making right now, considering the nature of our support.

But since the status quo is your fallback position after you exhaust your “more, more, more for Israel!” pleas, you ensure gridlock by pretending that I can influence Hamas, or that the U.S. can influence Hamas. You just say it to cloud the discussion, and it’s frankly pathetic. Do you sincerely think you’re fooling anyone?

I imagine that this rope-a-dope BS worked to bamboozle ppl in the past, but those days are over.

Your strawman has reached the outer limits of absurdity.

Your ability to influence (or lack thereof) is most emphatically not at issue.

But if it were, of course you have the ability to influence Hamas.

All you need to do is support US politicians committed to massive military aid to Israel and a policy of aggressive containment towards Iran.

Trust me: Hamas will feel the influence.

Can we return to regularly scheduled programming now?

The days of outsmarting unsuspecting or sympathetic post-WWII rubes and convincing others to do the costly bidding are over. Go cry victim to someone else. America has been exploited by Israel enough already.

As for the “trust me” part: Wow, that is astounding. I would sooner trust just about anyone else in this world than trust someone who believes what you believe, that the answer to this never ending disaster of a concept (Zionism) is to send even more aid, “massive military aid to Israel”. You are insane. No thanks, check please.

So you don’t believe that Israel, a state duly established and constituted by the United Nations, should exist.

I agree: that’s the end of the conversation.

Nice straw man, you make that yourself or pick it up at the Dollar Store?

But seriously, the “feelings don’t matter, nothing matters” guy from Russia or Ukraine or wherever has told us over and over again that borders change, nation states fall all the time, and the ethnic composition of countries change throughout history, too. If that’s true, what’s the problem if any of those happens to Israel? I mean, Israel doesn’t deserve preferential treatment or a special status, right? I’m indifferent, but you don’t seem indifferent.

Why is that?

Yes, the status of Israel may change, but you cannot tell us that we must think that the change is an imperative or that we have to see that it happens and do what it takes to make it happen. Also, we are not required to leave it to the wolves so to speak.
You can seek to dismantle it on your own or with others who have that goal, but just be ready for the consequences and don't come back to us with cries of "injustice" "oppression" "babies"!