Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice how Kavanaugh lives in a renovated house in Chevy Chase in a neighborhood that people with his HHI can’t afford? But it’s a neighborhood where other Supreme Court justices, Yalies, journalists and other power players live. He knows what he wants and is clawing to get it. That’s not really what Supreme Court justices do - there’s not supposed to be a career path to the highest court.

FYI - we have a similar HHI and we can’t afford our $650,000 house , never mind a 1.3 million dollar house. And we have no law school debts even.

Same. We have a similar income, a $650k house, no other debt and do alright, but could certainly not afford a country club (or two) and two private school tuitions.

I've read many, many times on this forum that there are a lot of people in DC who have help from wealthy parents for home purchases. Are the Kavanaughs somehow an exception?

Well - was that parental ‘help’ reported as income and taxes paid on it? Because that’s the law.

I have no idea what happened. But if, say, a parent pays an adult child’s credit card bill, the law requires reporting that?

No.

And parents can gift large sums of money to their adult children without triggering tax implications. I can't recall the threshold, but my in-laws gifted us money in the two years leading up to us purchasing our home. MIL is a realtor, FIL is an accountant, so they knew the pertinent laws.

You ripped off the govt and US taxpayers. The only thing that your scoundrels in-laws ‘knew’ is that the IRS wouldn’t be checking. Funny!

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice how Kavanaugh lives in a renovated house in Chevy Chase in a neighborhood that people with his HHI can’t afford? But it’s a neighborhood where other Supreme Court justices, Yalies, journalists and other power players live. He knows what he wants and is clawing to get it. That’s not really what Supreme Court justices do - there’s not supposed to be a career path to the highest court.

FYI - we have a similar HHI and we can’t afford our $650,000 house , never mind a 1.3 million dollar house. And we have no law school debts even.

Same. We have a similar income, a $650k house, no other debt and do alright, but could certainly not afford a country club (or two) and two private school tuitions.

Rich parents often pay for country clubs that’s true. It’s just sad that our allegedly ‘most qualified’ Supreme Court Justice lives in this bubble. It hasn’t been true of other justices - honestly I saw Justice Souter at the public pool on MoCo more than once.

Why is this somehow sad? Diversity includes the rich no?

Not if they're white men. Wealthy Elisabeth Warren is fine because she's a woman. Same with Feinstein and Pelosi. Check out how they amassed their riches.

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Anonymous wrote:This all comes down to what Squi will say. Focus, people. We don’t have to turn this into a privileged measuring contest. We get it. He’s a striver.

Squi is a key witness as is Mr. Judge. It seems like there is a code of silence from these prep schools as evidenced by Kavanaugh's comment that what happened at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep. The FBI may have difficulty breaking that code in a background investigation. Squi does not even have to talk to the FBI if he does not want. Judge has hired a high powered defense attorney. She is saying the right things about how he will cooperate but will not let him put himself in legal jeopardy with a Montgomery County investigation now seemingly like a real possibility. Most fair minded people are going to right back in the same place after a week, with as much certainty as doubt. Kavanaugh may get through with 51 votes.

This issue is going to need to get litigated in the midterms and the potentially with judicial impeachment proceedings for apparently lying about yearbook entries. That is the long game.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice how Kavanaugh lives in a renovated house in Chevy Chase in a neighborhood that people with his HHI can’t afford? But it’s a neighborhood where other Supreme Court justices, Yalies, journalists and other power players live. He knows what he wants and is clawing to get it. That’s not really what Supreme Court justices do - there’s not supposed to be a career path to the highest court.

FYI - we have a similar HHI and we can’t afford our $650,000 house , never mind a 1.3 million dollar house. And we have no law school debts even.

Same. We have a similar income, a $650k house, no other debt and do alright, but could certainly not afford a country club (or two) and two private school tuitions.

Boo hoo. Bitter.

But I had perfect SAT scores and A’s - I DESERVE a better job and a rich mansion and vacations. Whaaaaaaaah!!!!

"And I worked my butt off and was not a legacy."

Oh, wait, another LIE.

https://www.newsweek.com/kavanaugh-said-he-had-no-connections-yale-he-was-legacy-student-1145286

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Myra, they do. You have no idea what you are talking about - but keep talking anyway, it suits you.

Have the notes been released? Not saying they have to be—just asking.

Good question. It think the FBI can determine exactly when these notes were written. Yikes.

I would be surprised if the FBI goes that far...they may ask her if she released them to the WaPo or not and then she'd either have to lie to the FBI or again claim (quite unbelievably) she doesn't remember something from 3 months ago when the WaPo article specifically states Ford provided them portions of the therapist's notes. I can't imagine they'd subpoena her therapist's notes.

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Anonymous wrote:This all comes down to what Squi will say. Focus, people. We don’t have to turn this into a privileged measuring contest. We get it. He’s a striver.

Squi is a key witness as is Mr. Judge. It seems like there is a code of silence from these prep schools as evidenced by Kavanaugh's comment that what happened at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep. The FBI may have difficulty breaking that code in a background investigation. Squi does not even have to talk to the FBI if he does not want. Judge has hired a high powered defense attorney. She is saying the right things about how he will cooperate but will not let him put himself in legal jeopardy with a Montgomery County investigation now seemingly like a real possibility. Most fair minded people are going to right back in the same place after a week, with as much certainty as doubt. Kavanaugh may get through with 51 votes.

This issue is going to need to get litigated in the midterms and the potentially with judicial impeachment proceedings for apparently lying about yearbook entries. That is the long game.

Never gonna happen.

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Let’s say he didn’t drink on weeknights. That still doesn’t rule out July 1, 1982. Yes it is a Thursday night. However it obviously says on his calendar he’s going to drink. She said it was an early event so maybe the idea was to get the drinking done early so they wouldn’t wake too hungover...it’s the beginning of summer so they probably don’t realize yet how rough it is to wake up for work the next day. And perhaps most important: It’s the Thursday before the long weekend for the holiday. Fri July 2 was a quasi holiday. It’s also very easy to imagine noone remembering this event. A few drinks before a long weekend that most of them probably left town for. And before a long summer.

Ironically this calendar will probably be what does him in. It offers up a perfect timeline vizaviz the later Safeway encounter; without the calendar there would be no date to focus on.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.

or during all the years of his adult life in which no one has every come forward with anything of this nature

People - women - don't come forward with this type of allegation because they fear the very criticism and speculation Ford's allegations brought to her.

That backlash against the accuser can be as painful as the initial assault. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but accusers have the right to come forward without being painted as angry/crazy/unstable/loose/embittered (fill in the blank) harpies who were out to ruin Brett's very fine and upstanding career. Which is exactly how conservatives have painted Ford.

Conservatives just want these women to shut up. Unless of course they are making accusations against a Democrat and then conservatives are so very concerned about women (Franken).

Then 15 year old girls should not drink beer at parties with older athletes who are heavy drinkers.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.

or during all the years of his adult life in which no one has every come forward with anything of this nature

People - women - don't come forward with this type of allegation because they fear the very criticism and speculation Ford's allegations brought to her.

That backlash against the accuser can be as painful as the initial assault. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but accusers have the right to come forward without being painted as angry/crazy/unstable/loose/embittered (fill in the blank) harpies who were out to ruin Brett's very fine and upstanding career. Which is exactly how conservatives have painted Ford.

Conservatives just want these women to shut up. Unless of course they are making accusations against a Democrat and then conservatives are so very concerned about women (Franken).

Then 15 year old girls should not drink beer at parties with older athletes who are heavy drinkers.

Yep. It's her fault that Kavanaugh assaulted her. He is a beast when drunk, and she should have known better.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you to the previous poster. He doesn't appear to have empathy. My thoughts are that he doesn't seem to see nuance. His emails are overly doctrinal and make him come off as a jerk. Judges need empathy and nuance in order to apply facts to law and come out with equitable outcomes. He is more of a political hack than a judge. Plus he flat out lied during parts of his testimony (I'm talking about the drinking, the sex terms- no one can say with a straight face that he was telling the truth about those things). Automatic disqualification.

Only for the sentencing part in a criminal investigation, do emotions come into play. During a SC decision, one is not supposed to take into consideration that they are a 'strong Latina woman', etc. Justice is supposed to be blind and SC decisions are made based on Constitutional law. That is why there was so much flak when Roberts changed Obama's words and said "he didn't really mean tax, he meant penalty' when ruling on Obamacare.

The reason Democrats are so freaked out about a second SC appointment, and why Schumer said he would fight it from the start, is because the only way Dems have been able to get anything passed lately is using the courts.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone notice how Kavanaugh lives in a renovated house in Chevy Chase in a neighborhood that people with his HHI can’t afford? But it’s a neighborhood where other Supreme Court justices, Yalies, journalists and other power players live. He knows what he wants and is clawing to get it. That’s not really what Supreme Court justices do - there’s not supposed to be a career path to the highest court.

FYI - we have a similar HHI and we can’t afford our $650,000 house , never mind a 1.3 million dollar house. And we have no law school debts even.

Same. We have a similar income, a $650k house, no other debt and do alright, but could certainly not afford a country club (or two) and two private school tuitions.

I've read many, many times on this forum that there are a lot of people in DC who have help from wealthy parents for home purchases. Are the Kavanaughs somehow an exception?

Well - was that parental ‘help’ reported as income and taxes paid on it? Because that’s the law.

I have no idea what happened. But if, say, a parent pays an adult child’s credit card bill, the law requires reporting that?

No.

And parents can gift large sums of money to their adult children without triggering tax implications. I can't recall the threshold, but my in-laws gifted us money in the two years leading up to us purchasing our home. MIL is a realtor, FIL is an accountant, so they knew the pertinent laws.

You ripped off the govt and US taxpayers. The only thing that your scoundrels in-laws ‘knew’ is that the IRS wouldn’t be checking. Funny!

Nope. Not PP, but you clearly have no understanding of tax law. If you're angry about this, ask the Republicans why it's all legal. If you understood the tax code you would realize just how very stacked the deck is.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s say he didn’t drink on weeknights. That still doesn’t rule out July 1, 1982. Yes it is a Thursday night. However it obviously says on his calendar he’s going to drink. She said it was an early event so maybe the idea was to get the drinking done early so they wouldn’t wake too hungover...it’s the beginning of summer so they probably don’t realize yet how rough it is to wake up for work the next day. And perhaps most important: It’s the Thursday before the long weekend for the holiday. Fri July 2 was a quasi holiday. It’s also very easy to imagine noone remembering this event. A few drinks before a long weekend that most of them probably left town for. And before a long summer.

Ironically this calendar will probably be what does him in. It offers up a perfect timeline vizaviz the later Safeway encounter; without the calendar there would be no date to focus on.

He said during his testimony he generally didn't drink on weekdays and specifically stated the exception was that July 1 party. The guy she briefly dated - the person through whom she said she knew Kavanaugh - would have been there, but she doesn't not remember him as an attendee.

Ford said the home where the assault took place was near the country club in CC, MD, but Tim Gaudette's home was 11 miles away from the country club. The calendar says there were 7 boys there, but Ford said there were 4 boys and 1 girl other than herself. Though she said she couldn't rule out there was others in her testimony to the SJC, she had the benefit of giving testimony on that after Kavanaugh's calendar was made public.

Never mind the fact that the record indicates she has a very sketchy recall of the time frame during which the alleged assault happened. It went from her being in her late teens and in the mid-1980s to early 1980s to suddenly being narrowed by her to 1982 because she somehow manages to remember (how? why?) she wasn't driving yet when she went to this party, even though she can't remember how she got to and from the party.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.

or during all the years of his adult life in which no one has every come forward with anything of this nature

People - women - don't come forward with this type of allegation because they fear the very criticism and speculation Ford's allegations brought to her.

That backlash against the accuser can be as painful as the initial assault. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but accusers have the right to come forward without being painted as angry/crazy/unstable/loose/embittered (fill in the blank) harpies who were out to ruin Brett's very fine and upstanding career. Which is exactly how conservatives have painted Ford.

Conservatives just want these women to shut up. Unless of course they are making accusations against a Democrat and then conservatives are so very concerned about women (Franken).

Then 15 year old girls should not drink beer at parties with older athletes who are heavy drinkers.

Clearly, it’s her fault. It’s always the victim’s fault, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you to the previous poster. He doesn't appear to have empathy. My thoughts are that he doesn't seem to see nuance. His emails are overly doctrinal and make him come off as a jerk. Judges need empathy and nuance in order to apply facts to law and come out with equitable outcomes. He is more of a political hack than a judge. Plus he flat out lied during parts of his testimony (I'm talking about the drinking, the sex terms- no one can say with a straight face that he was telling the truth about those things). Automatic disqualification.

Only for the sentencing part in a criminal investigation, do emotions come into play. During a SC decision, one is not supposed to take into consideration that they are a 'strong Latina woman', etc. Justice is supposed to be blind and SC decisions are made based on Constitutional law. That is why there was so much flak when Roberts changed Obama's words and said "he didn't really mean tax, he meant penalty' when ruling on Obamacare.

The reason Democrats are so freaked out about a second SC appointment, and why Schumer said he would fight it from the start, is because the only way Dems have been able to get anything passed lately is using the courts.

You have a very very poor understanding of the Supreme Court and judging. There are some cases that are purely based on the law, but they are almost all statutory. The constitutional cases are the open-ended ones that require using much more than "the law," and values of empathy and fairness absolutely play a huge role.

[Anonymous]

Tom Corton to all little girls: if you don't tell right away, nobody will believe you EVAR. Also, if you tell, we still won't believe you if it relates to someone who is useful to our cause. You don't matter. None of you matter. The Democrats are the reason you are not being believed.