Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

I'm struggling with adoration of hate and why people who were the targets of Kirk's hate need to be respectful.

What people or individuals were targeted of “Kirk’s hate”? When did he said he hated person XYZ or a group of people abc?

Or did he said he hates crime? Or murderers? Or hates the lack of morals out there?

What did he say he hated exactly? A thing? A concept? A proper noun person? A group of benign people? A country?

He said he wouldn’t feel comfortable with a Black pilot, no? Kind of hate adjacent.

Let’s put this in context….
Kirk’s comments were part of a broader critique of DEI. He was pointing out that when the emphasis on hiring is all about skin color and gender, then merit takes a back seat. Example: United Airlines goal to have 40% of its pilots be women or people of color which would relax the standards of hiring.
This is certainly a legitimate point about the potential effect of diversity initiatives on hiring standards.
When the focus is on skin color and gender, how can the public be certain that qualifications for pilots have not been compromised?

The context in which he said it matters. He went on that rant after an air accident in which none of the pilots were black and the plane pilots were not responsible and had no way of avoiding the collision. So using an airline tragedy that had nothing to do with the hiring of airline pilots to attack black airline pilots is in fact really racist.

And his comments were in response to a question. He is absolutely right about the danger of DEI lowering standards.

Are standards, in fact, lower for hiring black pilots? Or are only *qualified* candidates considered for employment, and, all other things being equal, preference is given to black pilots?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

I don’t think there is any evidence of that, they just said that because he got a high ACT score.

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Anonymous wrote:A white Mormon 22 year old from Utah is in custody. That sure screams liberal to me

Trump needs to send the national guard to Utah to keep us safe. The mormon middle American elites killing people left and right.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

So then you just made more racist accusations. Wake up. Just listen to yourself. Should black people or Latinos also latch onto their identity as AMERICANS or are you proposing different rules for different racial groups? Ignorance.

Yes, black peoples and Latinos should latch only their identity as Americans. What is wrong with you?

What is so hard to understand? I am saying that black americans and latino americans have a hyphenated identity that white americans are not allowed to express.

What are you talking about? Check out South Boston on St Patrick's day (or any day of the year). Go to <insert Italian American enclave in every big city> and look for some pride.

But PP doesn’t have any pride about anything except his white skin, you see, so that doesn’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Why do you assume autism here?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

You mean people can't blame the shooter for being black/brown/Muslim/trans, you want to equate good grades/test scores as being grounds to diagnose autism?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

I don’t think there is any evidence of that, they just said that because he got a high ACT score.

Oy!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

You mean people can't blame the shooter for being black/brown/Muslim/trans, you want to equate good grades/test scores as being grounds to diagnose autism?

I do not, no. I was responding to the poster above.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

Agree. I consider myself pretty lefty and I only had a vague familiarity with Kirk. He and Ben Shapiro were the same person in my mind. Most people just didn’t know him enough to care other than the generic “the gun violence in this country is out of control” reaction.

I’m very liberal, and my entire peer group is very liberal. Nobody’s celebrating like PP claims, but nobody is grieving either. General sentiment is like the healthcare CEO - yea, dude, you made some dumb choices and this is what is got ya. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

+1 This is comparable to the Crocodile Hunter who died doing what he loved best. It’s still sad because he had little kids, but live by the sword, die by the sword.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

I doubt he has autism, that’s just Evan Kilgore’s nonsense on the quoted tweet (“autistically smart”). For the record, I have no idea who Evan Kilgore is but he apparently has an interest in convincing his followers that people who do very well in school have autism.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

I don’t think there is any evidence of that, they just said that because he got a high ACT score.

and a 4.0 GPA. High achiever.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a video of the disrespectful carrying.

This is bizarre. Why is a civilian getting this kind of treatment? I can't think of anyone comparable on the left who would receive this treatment if the situation was reversed. The cynical part of me thinks they are using this as a way to make Vance more likable. Trot him and Usha out with the coffin and widow....look how compassionate he is!

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Anonymous wrote:A white Mormon 22 year old from Utah is in custody. That sure screams liberal to me

Trump needs to send the national guard to Utah to keep us safe. The mormon middle American elites killing people left and right.

You joke about this, but there were a series of wars between the U.S. and Mormon separatists in the 1800s.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

I doubt he has autism, that’s just Evan Kilgore’s nonsense on the quoted tweet (“autistically smart”). For the record, I have no idea who Evan Kilgore is but he apparently has an interest in convincing his followers that people who do very well in school have autism.

While I don't have autism nor did I have a 4.0 ever, I did have those ACT scores and I'm no genius.