Epstein Files

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The most likely problem with the Epstein files, whatever they actually comprise, is probably the same as with any "raw" investigative product or intelligence material. It's piles of hearsay, gossip, and unsubstantiated innuendoes. Trying to sort out the truth from the fiction especially decades after the fact is likely impossible. The material is probably extremely defamatory to a lot of very wealthy powerful people. The Steele Dossier is an example of what the release of false defamatory made up materials for political purposes can do.

The looks of concern and fear you saw on kash Patel's and Tulsi Gabbards faces seemed to be the expressions of people who didn't want to get involved as defendants in defamation lawsuits by releasing a bunch of unverified and unverifiable file materials.

Even the grand jury transcripts if they were released are generally all complete hearsay. That's routine. And that's one of the reasons for grand jury secrecy

But now that Trump is suing the Wall Street Journal we might get some insight into what was going on. The Estates attorney says the Estate has the birthday book. Fine. Produce it and we can see what if anything Trump and any other important friends of Epstein contributed to it.

I can't wait.

The Steele Dossier wasn't entirely false or uncorroborated. It contained numerous items later corroborated and proven to be factual, like:

- Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump and hurt Clinton
- Russian officials cultivated Trump associates and had contacts with members of his campaign
- Paul Manafort received payments from pro-Russian Ukrainian interests and shared polling data with a Russian agent
- Carter Page met with Russian officials during a 2016 trip to Moscow
- Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin was pulled from Washington amid concerns he’d be exposed

Only a handful of things were either disproven or not able to be corroborated, like:
- The notorious "pee tape" - still not corroborated, but not disproven either
- Michael Cohen's alleged trip to Prague. Cohen denied it and it was never corroborated via other sources
- Some of the bribes and quid-pro-quo deals like Rosneft offering Carter Page a commission - lacked credible sourcing.
- Russia DID try to cultivate Trump as an asset, but the details on the timing, methods and individuals involved that Steele had in his report were wrong.

Steele himself said he couldn't corroborate those and had a disclaimer that it was an unfinished report containing raw info that wasn't all verified or corroborated. Yet the right wing like to pretend like it was from the start 100% a deliberately manufactured hoax and smear containing nothing but lies, which is a distortion of the facts. Steele was mainly just relaying info from other sources. Danchenko was one of those sources and when confronted he admitted to lying to Steele yet the right wing likes to pretend that Steele made it all up himself.

[Anonymous]

the Steele Dossier also wasn't what started the investigation into Russia. That honor belongs to George Papadopolous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes it's helpful to step back and restate the obvious. Trump/JD Vance spin on Epstein falls apart because they're saying two things at once:

1) What's in the Epstein files will exonerate Trump and show it all to be a Dem/media hoax

2) No we won't release the Epstein files

https://bsky.app/profile/gregsargent.bsky.social/post/3lusspy5kgs2v

Yes. Let’s restate The obvious.

Biden and his crew had these files for 4 years. Given their penchant for prosecuting Trump, if there were anything in there even mildly damning against Trump, they would have exploited the hell out of it.

Not necessarily. If Israel/mossad told Biden to back off, they would have undoubtedly complied

Not that it has any relevance now, but democrats did try and they were shut down by senate republicans.

However, even if the democrats did nothing, isn’t a bit more important now since the sitting president is likely a pedo?

Not just the Democrats but both parties are controlled by Mossad and Israel so ain't nothing coming out unless Mossad wants some names out.

Mossad has the complete original evidentiary material regarding the Epstein matter. The US only has a partial material, so its up to Israel to allow Trump to release anything or nothing.

It's likely Mossad has several other similar bribe/blackmail operations going on in the US for politicians, billionaires etc.

AIPAC is EVIL.

[Anonymous]

19:08 can quit lying. You people are toast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most likely problem with the Epstein files, whatever they actually comprise, is probably the same as with any "raw" investigative product or intelligence material. It's piles of hearsay, gossip, and unsubstantiated innuendoes. Trying to sort out the truth from the fiction especially decades after the fact is likely impossible. The material is probably extremely defamatory to a lot of very wealthy powerful people. The Steele Dossier is an example of what the release of false defamatory made up materials for political purposes can do.

The looks of concern and fear you saw on kash Patel's and Tulsi Gabbards faces seemed to be the expressions of people who didn't want to get involved as defendants in defamation lawsuits by releasing a bunch of unverified and unverifiable file materials.

Even the grand jury transcripts if they were released are generally all complete hearsay. That's routine. And that's one of the reasons for grand jury secrecy

But now that Trump is suing the Wall Street Journal we might get some insight into what was going on. The Estates attorney says the Estate has the birthday book. Fine. Produce it and we can see what if anything Trump and any other important friends of Epstein contributed to it.

I can't wait.

The Steele Dossier wasn't entirely false or uncorroborated. It contained numerous items later corroborated and proven to be factual, like:

- Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump and hurt Clinton
- Russian officials cultivated Trump associates and had contacts with members of his campaign
- Paul Manafort received payments from pro-Russian Ukrainian interests and shared polling data with a Russian agent
- Carter Page met with Russian officials during a 2016 trip to Moscow
- Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin was pulled from Washington amid concerns he’d be exposed

Only a handful of things were either disproven or not able to be corroborated, like:
- The notorious "pee tape" - still not corroborated, but not disproven either
- Michael Cohen's alleged trip to Prague. Cohen denied it and it was never corroborated via other sources
- Some of the bribes and quid-pro-quo deals like Rosneft offering Carter Page a commission - lacked credible sourcing.
- Russia DID try to cultivate Trump as an asset, but the details on the timing, methods and individuals involved that Steele had in his report were wrong.

Steele himself said he couldn't corroborate those and had a disclaimer that it was an unfinished report containing raw info that wasn't all verified or corroborated. Yet the right wing like to pretend like it was from the start 100% a deliberately manufactured hoax and smear containing nothing but lies, which is a distortion of the facts. Steele was mainly just relaying info from other sources. Danchenko was one of those sources and when confronted he admitted to lying to Steele yet the right wing likes to pretend that Steele made it all up himself.

Thank you for setting the record straight. It's so easy to play on people's forgetfulness and claim the Democrats are just as rotten as the Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most likely problem with the Epstein files, whatever they actually comprise, is probably the same as with any "raw" investigative product or intelligence material. It's piles of hearsay, gossip, and unsubstantiated innuendoes. Trying to sort out the truth from the fiction especially decades after the fact is likely impossible. The material is probably extremely defamatory to a lot of very wealthy powerful people. The Steele Dossier is an example of what the release of false defamatory made up materials for political purposes can do.

The looks of concern and fear you saw on kash Patel's and Tulsi Gabbards faces seemed to be the expressions of people who didn't want to get involved as defendants in defamation lawsuits by releasing a bunch of unverified and unverifiable file materials.

Even the grand jury transcripts if they were released are generally all complete hearsay. That's routine. And that's one of the reasons for grand jury secrecy

But now that Trump is suing the Wall Street Journal we might get some insight into what was going on. The Estates attorney says the Estate has the birthday book. Fine. Produce it and we can see what if anything Trump and any other important friends of Epstein contributed to it.

I can't wait.

The Steele Dossier wasn't entirely false or uncorroborated. It contained numerous items later corroborated and proven to be factual, like:

- Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump and hurt Clinton
- Russian officials cultivated Trump associates and had contacts with members of his campaign
- Paul Manafort received payments from pro-Russian Ukrainian interests and shared polling data with a Russian agent
- Carter Page met with Russian officials during a 2016 trip to Moscow
- Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin was pulled from Washington amid concerns he’d be exposed

Only a handful of things were either disproven or not able to be corroborated, like:
- The notorious "pee tape" - still not corroborated, but not disproven either
- Michael Cohen's alleged trip to Prague. Cohen denied it and it was never corroborated via other sources
- Some of the bribes and quid-pro-quo deals like Rosneft offering Carter Page a commission - lacked credible sourcing.
- Russia DID try to cultivate Trump as an asset, but the details on the timing, methods and individuals involved that Steele had in his report were wrong.

Steele himself said he couldn't corroborate those and had a disclaimer that it was an unfinished report containing raw info that wasn't all verified or corroborated. Yet the right wing like to pretend like it was from the start 100% a deliberately manufactured hoax and smear containing nothing but lies, which is a distortion of the facts. Steele was mainly just relaying info from other sources. Danchenko was one of those sources and when confronted he admitted to lying to Steele yet the right wing likes to pretend that Steele made it all up himself.

Thank you for setting the record straight. It's so easy to play on people's forgetfulness and claim the Democrats are just as rotten as the Republicans.

There's a lot more that the right wing distorts and outright lies about where it comes to the Steele Dossier.

They claim it was the reason why the FBI opened the Russia investigation, with the premise that the Steele Dossier was "all lies" (which it wasn't) and therefore the FBI investigation was based on lies. Neither true. The FBI investigation wasn't started because of the Steele Dossier. The FBI didn't even know about the Steele Dossier. The FBI investigation began because of several other things, such as 1. the DNC hack, and 2. Australian diplomat Alexander Downer going to the FBI to tell them that Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulous told him Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton in the form of stolen emails. The FBI didn't even learn of the Steele Dossier until AFTER they that. Also, the Steele Dossier was NOT the backbone of the FBI investigation, it was only used for the FISA surveillance of Carter Page. MOST of the Russia investigation and info in the Mueller Report DID NOT come from the Steele Dossier but instead from communications intercepted from Russian agents who were being monitoried, from interviews and subpoenas, from intelligence received from foreign governments, and from internal campaign documents and emails.

They rely on a base who is unable to follow and understand critical nuance and just brazenly distort and lie outright to them to get them enraged. MAGA 101.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:19:08 can quit lying. You people are toast.

Where is the lie?

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/dossier-not-what-started-all-of-this/

[Anonymous]

How long before she is suicided?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now Trump is claiming Bill Clinton went to Epstein's Island 28 times -

There is no evidence of Bill Clinton flying to Epstein's Island 28 times in the Epstein flight logs, so were did this come from?

Either

A. Trump has access to the files, has read them or was briefed on them and they are full of these details AND THE BANDAID NEEDS TO BE RIPPED OFF, THE COVERUP ENDED, AND THE FILES NEED TO BE RELEASED, or

B. Trump is full of shit, or

C. Trump knows Clinton was on Epstein's Island 28 times because he saw Clinton on the Island 28 of the times that he was there.

There is no evidence or you haven't seen the evidence personally?

What's this "you" in your response? This isn't about me or anyone else in this forum. It's about Trump, who made a VERY SPECIFIC accusation. Stay focused. We need to know why. Trump actually saw the evidence, in which case there's no more denying "there's no Epstein files or client list" or Trump made it up in which case you people need to start rethinking your support for this demented liar, or Trump has some of his own first-hand knowledge of Clinton being there, in which case he needs to be producing some details.

If trump is claiming that Clinton was there 28 times then Trump is lying about his not being there. He should shut up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How long before she is suicided?

They can't get away with it again particularly after seeking out her testimony. I hope she agrees to testify before Congress. She isn't stupid and I cannot imagine her trusting trump to pardon her after the 2026 the election.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How long before she is suicided?

They can't get away with it again particularly after seeking out her testimony. I hope she agrees to testify before Congress. She isn't stupid and I cannot imagine her trusting trump to pardon her after the 2026 the election.

Why? He pardoned the J6 people. He's actually been pretty trustworthy when it comes to pardoning sycophants and people who have gone to bat for him. I think she's desperate enough to trust him and agree to omitting certain truths or even outright lying during her testimony. She's in for 20. Of course she'll agree to anything.

[Anonymous]

If I was the President and the whole world was calling me a pedophile, I would release every page of the Epstein files to prove I wasn't in there.
Unless I was in there….

MAGA cult of pedos , child sex abusers and idiots

Explain how you support white men raping little girls Bible thumping hypocrites

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Omg MAGA explain yourself come on down here’s another one this week yours!!

Fort Pierce City Commissioner Republican James Taylor was arrested July 24 on felony charges after allegations of having an inappropriate relationship with a teen girl, according to the St. Lucie County Sheriff’s Office.

Taylor, 38, was jailed on charges including six counts each of transmission of material harmful to a minor by electronic equipment, transfer or display of obscenity to a minor, and harmful communication to a minor; four counts of lewd computer solicitation of a child; and two counts of solicitation of transmission of child pornography by electronic device or equipment, the sheriff's office stated. All 24 counts are felonies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An allegation of rape made anonymously in 2016 that was also withdrawn in 2016 should not be presented as proof of anything.

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She withdrew because of threats to her and her family's lives. Of course. It should be presented. Trump is abominable.