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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The most likely problem with the Epstein files, whatever they actually comprise, is probably the same as with any "raw" investigative product or intelligence material.  It's piles of hearsay, gossip, and unsubstantiated innuendoes.  Trying to sort out the truth from the fiction especially decades after the fact is likely impossible.  The material is probably extremely defamatory to a lot of very wealthy powerful people.  The Steele Dossier is an example of what the release of false defamatory made up materials for political purposes can do.

The looks of concern and fear you saw on kash Patel's and Tulsi Gabbards faces seemed to be the expressions of people who didn't want to get involved as defendants in defamation lawsuits by releasing a bunch of unverified and unverifiable file materials.

Even the grand jury transcripts if they were released are generally all complete hearsay.  That's routine.  And that's one of the reasons for grand jury secrecy

But now that Trump is suing the Wall Street Journal we might get some insight into what was going on.  The Estates attorney says the Estate has the birthday book.  Fine.  Produce it and we can see what if anything Trump and any other important friends of Epstein contributed to it.

I can't wait.[/quote]

The Steele Dossier wasn't entirely false or uncorroborated.  It contained numerous items later corroborated and proven to be factual, like:

- Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump and hurt Clinton
- Russian officials cultivated Trump associates and had contacts with members of his campaign
- Paul Manafort received payments from pro-Russian Ukrainian interests and shared polling data with a Russian agent
- Carter Page met with Russian officials during a 2016 trip to Moscow
- Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin was pulled from Washington amid concerns he’d be exposed

Only a handful of things were either disproven or not able to be corroborated, like:
- The notorious "pee tape" - still not corroborated, but not disproven either
- Michael Cohen's alleged trip to Prague.  Cohen denied it and it was never corroborated via other sources
- Some of the bribes and quid-pro-quo deals like Rosneft offering Carter Page a commission - lacked credible sourcing.
- Russia DID try to cultivate Trump as an asset, but the details on the timing, methods and individuals involved that Steele had in his report were wrong.

Steele himself said he couldn't corroborate those and had a disclaimer that it was an unfinished report containing raw info that wasn't all verified or corroborated.  Yet the right wing like to pretend like it was from the start 100% a deliberately manufactured hoax and smear containing nothing but lies, which is a distortion of the facts.  Steele was mainly just relaying info from other sources.  Danchenko was one of those sources and when confronted he admitted to lying to Steele yet the right wing likes to pretend that Steele made it all up himself.[/quote]

Thank you for setting the record straight. It's so easy to play on people's forgetfulness and claim the Democrats are just as rotten as the Republicans.
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