ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any offer out today?

Some have only been able to make it to 1 of 2 ID sessions. There are 2 more sessions to go. With high school season it’s complicated. Other clubs sometimes want to see a player 3 times or more. Anyone can look good once.

The boys have two more sessions. The girls are done.

The FX Union girls ID sessions are not done. 2010s, 11s, ans 12s 2nd ID sessions are tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still going to be a basement team. All you can do is laugh. Nova needs to collapse more ECNL teams. And make RL better..

Why? The purpose of ECNL is not to win games, it is to help (girls) get showcased to play college soccer. Sure, it’s nice to win at Nationals, but by the end of 9th grade every kid on that team is thinking about the college angle, working on their clips and figuring out which ID sessions to go to.

ECNL teams are about developing players who can step onto a college pitch and not get blown out on day one. ECNL (and GA) re successful because college coaches go to the showcases. Those coaches go to the showcases because they know that every player on the field can all handle a certain level of pressure and physicality. So with those bases covered, now they can focus on what players they want, which players are likley willing to play for their school, and which players will help them keep their jobs.

The problem with girls ECNlL is at the younger ages it tends to attract the most challening parents.

My experience is that on the top ECNL teams all the parents are soccer crazy but "normal" if there is such a thing when you're soccer crazy. The lower end ECNL parents are the ones that ruin it for everyone else. Instead of focusing on getting better as a club or team they jump online to talk about how great ECNL is. When you call them out on which team their kid plays for in ECNL the conversation becomes evasive. I think this happens because the lower end ECNL teams get beat up on week after week in league and in frustration they lash out at other League parents to make themselves feel better.

As the kids get older wins mean less and less and Showcases mean more and more. When this happens most of the ECNL cult parents mellow out. However sometimes they just switch from bragging about wins to the number of recruiters at an event. Again when you call them out on which recruiter is your kid engaged with and they become evasive.

All the over the top ridiculousness is just not nessasary. I promise if your kid plays in College or professionally nobody care which league they played in as a youth.

When crazy GA parents get called out they create threads about NWSL/GA/MLS/US Soccer mergers and professional academy utopia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still going to be a basement team. All you can do is laugh. Nova needs to collapse more ECNL teams. And make RL better..

Why? The purpose of ECNL is not to win games, it is to help (girls) get showcased to play college soccer. Sure, it’s nice to win at Nationals, but by the end of 9th grade every kid on that team is thinking about the college angle, working on their clips and figuring out which ID sessions to go to.

ECNL teams are about developing players who can step onto a college pitch and not get blown out on day one. ECNL (and GA) re successful because college coaches go to the showcases. Those coaches go to the showcases because they know that every player on the field can all handle a certain level of pressure and physicality. So with those bases covered, now they can focus on what players they want, which players are likley willing to play for their school, and which players will help them keep their jobs.

It use to be that way. But not anymore.. its become too diluted. colleges are only showing up to watch maybe top 2 brackets. They are not showing up to league games of the worse teams nor ECNL teams in 4th bracket of a showcase. Ive seen ECNL teams in bottom tier brackets getting owned by RL teams. League is not going to matter if your kid is good and wants to play college. You go to the various IDs if you are serious about college.

Agree. It is all about college IDs. Playtime and development making mistakes in games is what matters. Watching league games (even if it is ECNL or top bracket) from the bench or playing 10 minutes is useless.

I’ve heard that when they get to sophomore and junior year that, even if they’re bench players, coaches will put them in for significant time at showcases for purposes of recruiting. Is that not the case? I realize it’s at the coach’s discretion but I’m wondering if that is what typically happens. You get a lot more visibility that way. Going to college IDs agreed is great but how many of those can you do especially when they’re not local.

And you think the showcases are local? lmaof They aren't coming to your regular season games generally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All things considered if the 2012 parents are the ones panicking... between Vienna [who got the sh$t end of the rain out], bryc and mclean... the u12 girls showed up at Jefferson cup. All were competing in different divisions. All appeared competitive. Take 4, 4, 4 and 4 outsiders/floaters and you've got a team

People (some) on this forum love to put down Valor. You do realize Valor was in higher bracket than BRYC? BRYC was in the lowest bracket for their age group. They did not win it. They sure SHOWED UP at Jefferson Cup.

[Anonymous]

This thread is the clear winner of the 23-24 DMV soccer season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is the clear winner of the 23-24 DMV soccer season.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All things considered if the 2012 parents are the ones panicking... between Vienna [who got the sh$t end of the rain out], bryc and mclean... the u12 girls showed up at Jefferson cup. All were competing in different divisions. All appeared competitive. Take 4, 4, 4 and 4 outsiders/floaters and you've got a team

People (some) on this forum love to put down Valor. You do realize Valor was in higher bracket than BRYC? BRYC was in the lowest bracket for their age group. They did not win it. They sure SHOWED UP at Jefferson Cup.

I was just referring to the "new" Union. Not putting down any other org.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still going to be a basement team. All you can do is laugh. Nova needs to collapse more ECNL teams. And make RL better..

Why? The purpose of ECNL is not to win games, it is to help (girls) get showcased to play college soccer. Sure, it’s nice to win at Nationals, but by the end of 9th grade every kid on that team is thinking about the college angle, working on their clips and figuring out which ID sessions to go to.

ECNL teams are about developing players who can step onto a college pitch and not get blown out on day one. ECNL (and GA) re successful because college coaches go to the showcases. Those coaches go to the showcases because they know that every player on the field can all handle a certain level of pressure and physicality. So with those bases covered, now they can focus on what players they want, which players are likley willing to play for their school, and which players will help them keep their jobs.

It use to be that way. But not anymore.. its become too diluted. colleges are only showing up to watch maybe top 2 brackets. They are not showing up to league games of the worse teams nor ECNL teams in 4th bracket of a showcase. Ive seen ECNL teams in bottom tier brackets getting owned by RL teams. League is not going to matter if your kid is good and wants to play college. You go to the various IDs if you are serious about college.

Agree. It is all about college IDs. Playtime and development making mistakes in games is what matters. Watching league games (even if it is ECNL or top bracket) from the bench or playing 10 minutes is useless.

I’ve heard that when they get to sophomore and junior year that, even if they’re bench players, coaches will put them in for significant time at showcases for purposes of recruiting. Is that not the case? I realize it’s at the coach’s discretion but I’m wondering if that is what typically happens. You get a lot more visibility that way. Going to college IDs agreed is great but how many of those can you do especially when they’re not local.

And you think the showcases are local? lmaof They aren't coming to your regular season games generally.

No I don’t assume they’re local, but when you go to a showcase, you expect to be seen by more than one school. When you go to a school’s ID, you’re only being seen by them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All things considered if the 2012 parents are the ones panicking... between Vienna [who got the sh$t end of the rain out], bryc and mclean... the u12 girls showed up at Jefferson cup. All were competing in different divisions. All appeared competitive. Take 4, 4, 4 and 4 outsiders/floaters and you've got a team

People (some) on this forum love to put down Valor. You do realize Valor was in higher bracket than BRYC? BRYC was in the lowest bracket for their age group. They did not win it. They sure SHOWED UP at Jefferson Cup.

Why in the world would you take offense at the PP? Because they forgot to mention Valor? Come on. Get a life and grow up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All things considered if the 2012 parents are the ones panicking... between Vienna [who got the sh$t end of the rain out], bryc and mclean... the u12 girls showed up at Jefferson cup. All were competing in different divisions. All appeared competitive. Take 4, 4, 4 and 4 outsiders/floaters and you've got a team

People (some) on this forum love to put down Valor. You do realize Valor was in higher bracket than BRYC? BRYC was in the lowest bracket for their age group. They did not win it. They sure SHOWED UP at Jefferson Cup.

What does Valor or U12 Jeff Cup have anything to do with a BRAVE/Union merger thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All things considered if the 2012 parents are the ones panicking... between Vienna [who got the sh$t end of the rain out], bryc and mclean... the u12 girls showed up at Jefferson cup. All were competing in different divisions. All appeared competitive. Take 4, 4, 4 and 4 outsiders/floaters and you've got a team

People (some) on this forum love to put down Valor. You do realize Valor was in higher bracket than BRYC? BRYC was in the lowest bracket for their age group. They did not win it. They sure SHOWED UP at Jefferson Cup.

Soccer is a cruel sport, especially in slippery/muddy conditions on a grass field. Yes, they lost to another pre-ECNL team in the semis, and that team won the final. Yes, there was a fluky goal by the winning team in the semis and they lost to a kick-and-run team. From a development standpoint any objective observer would come away knowing which team played actually soccer, which team controlled the ball more, which team generated more chances and can play actual soccer. The 2012s, regardless of which clubs contribute players to the Fx Union merge will be highly competitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still going to be a basement team. All you can do is laugh. Nova needs to collapse more ECNL teams. And make RL better..

Why? The purpose of ECNL is not to win games, it is to help (girls) get showcased to play college soccer. Sure, it’s nice to win at Nationals, but by the end of 9th grade every kid on that team is thinking about the college angle, working on their clips and figuring out which ID sessions to go to.

ECNL teams are about developing players who can step onto a college pitch and not get blown out on day one. ECNL (and GA) re successful because college coaches go to the showcases. Those coaches go to the showcases because they know that every player on the field can all handle a certain level of pressure and physicality. So with those bases covered, now they can focus on what players they want, which players are likley willing to play for their school, and which players will help them keep their jobs.

It use to be that way. But not anymore.. its become too diluted. colleges are only showing up to watch maybe top 2 brackets. They are not showing up to league games of the worse teams nor ECNL teams in 4th bracket of a showcase. Ive seen ECNL teams in bottom tier brackets getting owned by RL teams. League is not going to matter if your kid is good and wants to play college. You go to the various IDs if you are serious about college.

Agree. It is all about college IDs. Playtime and development making mistakes in games is what matters. Watching league games (even if it is ECNL or top bracket) from the bench or playing 10 minutes is useless.

I’ve heard that when they get to sophomore and junior year that, even if they’re bench players, coaches will put them in for significant time at showcases for purposes of recruiting. Is that not the case? I realize it’s at the coach’s discretion but I’m wondering if that is what typically happens. You get a lot more visibility that way. Going to college IDs agreed is great but how many of those can you do especially when they’re not local.

And you think the showcases are local? lmaof They aren't coming to your regular season games generally.

top teams they are. 06 07 girls FCV had scouts coming to practices.

[Anonymous]

They have scouts show up in Union's practices for the older groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have scouts show up in Union's practices for the older groups.

My oldest had scouts in his MLSNext at practices and scrimmages held specifically for scouts to come watch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still going to be a basement team. All you can do is laugh. Nova needs to collapse more ECNL teams. And make RL better..

Why? The purpose of ECNL is not to win games, it is to help (girls) get showcased to play college soccer. Sure, it’s nice to win at Nationals, but by the end of 9th grade every kid on that team is thinking about the college angle, working on their clips and figuring out which ID sessions to go to.

ECNL teams are about developing players who can step onto a college pitch and not get blown out on day one. ECNL (and GA) re successful because college coaches go to the showcases. Those coaches go to the showcases because they know that every player on the field can all handle a certain level of pressure and physicality. So with those bases covered, now they can focus on what players they want, which players are likley willing to play for their school, and which players will help them keep their jobs.

The problem with girls ECNlL is at the younger ages it tends to attract the most challening parents.

My experience is that on the top ECNL teams all the parents are soccer crazy but "normal" if there is such a thing when you're soccer crazy. The lower end ECNL parents are the ones that ruin it for everyone else. Instead of focusing on getting better as a club or team they jump online to talk about how great ECNL is. When you call them out on which team their kid plays for in ECNL the conversation becomes evasive. I think this happens because the lower end ECNL teams get beat up on week after week in league and in frustration they lash out at other League parents to make themselves feel better.

As the kids get older wins mean less and less and Showcases mean more and more. When this happens most of the ECNL cult parents mellow out. However sometimes they just switch from bragging about wins to the number of recruiters at an event. Again when you call them out on which recruiter is your kid engaged with and they become evasive.

All the over the top ridiculousness is just not nessasary. I promise if your kid plays in College or professionally nobody care which league they played in as a youth.

When crazy GA parents get called out they create threads about NWSL/GA/MLS/US Soccer mergers and professional academy utopia.

My kid plays in ECNL but I wish there was something like MLS Next but for girls. You might like ECNL catering to college coaches. But, if my kid had the option she'd rather play professionally.