2024 Boys Private School Results /Game Schedules/ Commentary

[Anonymous]

Go Ryken! Old Ryken teams were so good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go Ryken! Old Ryken teams were so good.

Long time ago. The new coach is trying to bring the program back to a respectable level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go Ryken! Old Ryken teams were so good.

The old Ryken teams from a decade ago were very competitive.

No reason why Ryken can’t be a strong program when they are the only private school in southern md and no private school within a 50 mile radius.

[Anonymous]

Monster game today on Wilson Lane this afternoon between Landon and Bullis.

Who you all got?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Monster game today on Wilson Lane this afternoon between Landon and Bullis.

Who you all got?

Bulldogs vs Cubs.

I’ll take the Bulldogs. Coaching edge

[Anonymous]

Bears 11
Bulldogs 9

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaks is not well respected by area coaches - it's a fact.

The SJC boosters point their fingers to the success of the 2022 campaign and area teams fear SJC / worried about losing etc. etc. One amazing season doesn't equate to a dynasty Landon had fo 25+ years, or what GP accomplished for 20 years, and Gonzaga for the last 10 years.

The SJC 2023 team while still a great team last Spring, wouldn't have won the IAC, they hardly beat Bullis, a team GP smoked by 10+ goals on two separate occasions.

After the 2024 season, area coaches, especially from the IAC, won't be afraid of the Cadets. I don't see anyone on their roster who is even close to the caliber of player like Dunkel or Luke Roa (now at Cuse)

Unfortunately, Speaks has learned the hard way, he has burnt too many bridges with area coaches. You don't poach players already on the opposing team's rosters. I don't expect any IAC coaches to extend the olive branch any time soon.

With Good Counsel also emerging, I suspect you will see more IAC teams, opting to reach out to Dane Smith who is at least respected by his peers.

You don’t poach players? They’re not property - they can go wherever they feel is best for them. That poaching line is right out of the now-dying-NCAA playbook. Couldn’t care less about whatever personal feud you have with some coach but the only decision that matters is the one a kid and his parents make for his/her best interests, consistent with whatever the rules are at any given moment. Rules that are themselves subject to much needed change annually.

I think the complaint people are discussing here is SJC very actively recruiting players on other teams. No one is saying it's illegal but distasteful.

Whether or not that's why SJC isn't playing Bullis, Prep, or Landon, I have no idea, but there is no accusation of rule breaking.

The issue isn't whether you care about how SJC recruits but whether or not area schools care enough to not schedule them.

That’s fine. Also couldn’t care less about scheduling. But it’s only distasteful if you feel some semblance of ownership over a kid on a particular roster, and if that is the case I couldn’t disagree more strongly.

People thinking that SJC shouldn't commit a lot of time to recruiting players from other high school rosters doesn't necessitate feelings of ownership.

Could it? Possibly, but the general sentiment seems to be it just feels slimy to coaches who aren't doing that to SJC players.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has said that kids shouldn't be able to change schools or are property.

"It's a crappy move by coaches" is not the same as "players are property."

The SJC recruiting allegations and IAC teams not scheduling them because of it idea could also be more of a conspiracy theory than reality.

So this is a thoughtful response, and I agree with everything in here except as it relates to a kid’s right to go wherever they please/works best for them/will take them. Any aspect of the current system that acts to reduce or impact the exercise of that right that in any way reinforces a culture that exploits kids and their parents to wring potential value from them without fair return. The same allegations of distastefulness have been lodged against players in the pros and college for decades and those systems are dead or dying, thankfully.

There’s a laughably small amount of money and value in HS lax when compared with basketball or football or even soccer. But there is enough that some see a chance to make a living off of it. Nothing wrong with that, either, unless they rig it so nothing jeopardizes those revenue flows. Which they do with either rules restricting player movement (that are dying) or soft power (like discouraging the free movement of talent through social shaming).

Teams and schools and coaches (and other parents and alumni boosters) have been taking advantage of athletes forever. Saw it firsthand as a player and now as a parent. Kids promised the moon and pressured to stay in situations that aren’t in their short or long term best interests and then once no longer useful tossed aside. Anyone who has played high level or even mid level sports has anecdata about teammates who were exploited and then chucked aside and absent a strong advocate or safety net ended up in a bad way. The collapse of any system that doesn’t allow the athletes to capture full return for abilities and efforts that others leverage to benefit themselves over the athlete is long overdue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaks is not well respected by area coaches - it's a fact.

The SJC boosters point their fingers to the success of the 2022 campaign and area teams fear SJC / worried about losing etc. etc. One amazing season doesn't equate to a dynasty Landon had fo 25+ years, or what GP accomplished for 20 years, and Gonzaga for the last 10 years.

The SJC 2023 team while still a great team last Spring, wouldn't have won the IAC, they hardly beat Bullis, a team GP smoked by 10+ goals on two separate occasions.

After the 2024 season, area coaches, especially from the IAC, won't be afraid of the Cadets. I don't see anyone on their roster who is even close to the caliber of player like Dunkel or Luke Roa (now at Cuse)

Unfortunately, Speaks has learned the hard way, he has burnt too many bridges with area coaches. You don't poach players already on the opposing team's rosters. I don't expect any IAC coaches to extend the olive branch any time soon.

With Good Counsel also emerging, I suspect you will see more IAC teams, opting to reach out to Dane Smith who is at least respected by his peers.

You don’t poach players? They’re not property - they can go wherever they feel is best for them. That poaching line is right out of the now-dying-NCAA playbook. Couldn’t care less about whatever personal feud you have with some coach but the only decision that matters is the one a kid and his parents make for his/her best interests, consistent with whatever the rules are at any given moment. Rules that are themselves subject to much needed change annually.

I think the complaint people are discussing here is SJC very actively recruiting players on other teams. No one is saying it's illegal but distasteful.

Whether or not that's why SJC isn't playing Bullis, Prep, or Landon, I have no idea, but there is no accusation of rule breaking.

The issue isn't whether you care about how SJC recruits but whether or not area schools care enough to not schedule them.

That’s fine. Also couldn’t care less about scheduling. But it’s only distasteful if you feel some semblance of ownership over a kid on a particular roster, and if that is the case I couldn’t disagree more strongly.

People thinking that SJC shouldn't commit a lot of time to recruiting players from other high school rosters doesn't necessitate feelings of ownership.

Could it? Possibly, but the general sentiment seems to be it just feels slimy to coaches who aren't doing that to SJC players.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has said that kids shouldn't be able to change schools or are property.

"It's a crappy move by coaches" is not the same as "players are property."

The SJC recruiting allegations and IAC teams not scheduling them because of it idea could also be more of a conspiracy theory than reality.

So this is a thoughtful response, and I agree with everything in here except as it relates to a kid’s right to go wherever they please/works best for them/will take them. Any aspect of the current system that acts to reduce or impact the exercise of that right that in any way reinforces a culture that exploits kids and their parents to wring potential value from them without fair return. The same allegations of distastefulness have been lodged against players in the pros and college for decades and those systems are dead or dying, thankfully.

There’s a laughably small amount of money and value in HS lax when compared with basketball or football or even soccer. But there is enough that some see a chance to make a living off of it. Nothing wrong with that, either, unless they rig it so nothing jeopardizes those revenue flows. Which they do with either rules restricting player movement (that are dying) or soft power (like discouraging the free movement of talent through social shaming).

Teams and schools and coaches (and other parents and alumni boosters) have been taking advantage of athletes forever. Saw it firsthand as a player and now as a parent. Kids promised the moon and pressured to stay in situations that aren’t in their short or long term best interests and then once no longer useful tossed aside. Anyone who has played high level or even mid level sports has anecdata about teammates who were exploited and then chucked aside and absent a strong advocate or safety net ended up in a bad way. The collapse of any system that doesn’t allow the athletes to capture full return for abilities and efforts that others leverage to benefit themselves over the athlete is long overdue.

We're talking about private school high school lacrosse; your position is hysterically out of touch.

This is not a venue where exploiting athletes is a major concern. Coaches and school admins aren't making money off sponsorships, shoe deals, and TV contracts.

Are there examples of coaches misleading or mistreating players? Absolutely.

Should families be able to change schools? Yes, and they can with way less barriers than college.

Is private school DC lacrosse fundamentally exploitative of athletes? Laughably no.

If SJC is doing slimy recruiting that other schools don't like, they aren't breaking down an exploitative system, they're just doing what they can to win.

[Anonymous]

Speaks is a used car sales man as is his counterpart Garrett the clown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaks is a used car sales man as is his counterpart Garrett the clown.

Speaks is a very low key guy. Far from a salesman. Garrett stays in his lane. You clearly have a personal issue with them and don’t really know them like you claim.

[Anonymous]

Any other noteworthy games other than the Landon - Bullis matchup?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Monster game today on Wilson Lane this afternoon between Landon and Bullis.

Who you all got?

Still think Bullis is the team to beat in the IAC and the favorite overall.

Bulldogs played Bears really well last year, and that junior class over there is just a year more mature and stronger.

Attack line is tremendous. Defense stout. Comes down to specialists imo. Edge to 'Cuse goalie and Brown Fogo and Bullis wins by 2-3.

Landon is GOOD. No disrespect. Is a monster game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any other noteworthy games other than the Landon - Bullis matchup?

Not sure these are all noteworthy but here are some of the other games:

PVI @ Heights
GP@ SSSA
St. Albans @ Episcopal
St Marys Ryken @ SJC
Loyola Blakefield @ Archbishop Spalding
Calvert Hall @ Boys Latin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaks is not well respected by area coaches - it's a fact.

The SJC boosters point their fingers to the success of the 2022 campaign and area teams fear SJC / worried about losing etc. etc. One amazing season doesn't equate to a dynasty Landon had fo 25+ years, or what GP accomplished for 20 years, and Gonzaga for the last 10 years.

The SJC 2023 team while still a great team last Spring, wouldn't have won the IAC, they hardly beat Bullis, a team GP smoked by 10+ goals on two separate occasions.

After the 2024 season, area coaches, especially from the IAC, won't be afraid of the Cadets. I don't see anyone on their roster who is even close to the caliber of player like Dunkel or Luke Roa (now at Cuse)

Unfortunately, Speaks has learned the hard way, he has burnt too many bridges with area coaches. You don't poach players already on the opposing team's rosters. I don't expect any IAC coaches to extend the olive branch any time soon.

With Good Counsel also emerging, I suspect you will see more IAC teams, opting to reach out to Dane Smith who is at least respected by his peers.

You don’t poach players? They’re not property - they can go wherever they feel is best for them. That poaching line is right out of the now-dying-NCAA playbook. Couldn’t care less about whatever personal feud you have with some coach but the only decision that matters is the one a kid and his parents make for his/her best interests, consistent with whatever the rules are at any given moment. Rules that are themselves subject to much needed change annually.

I think the complaint people are discussing here is SJC very actively recruiting players on other teams. No one is saying it's illegal but distasteful.

Whether or not that's why SJC isn't playing Bullis, Prep, or Landon, I have no idea, but there is no accusation of rule breaking.

The issue isn't whether you care about how SJC recruits but whether or not area schools care enough to not schedule them.

That’s fine. Also couldn’t care less about scheduling. But it’s only distasteful if you feel some semblance of ownership over a kid on a particular roster, and if that is the case I couldn’t disagree more strongly.

People thinking that SJC shouldn't commit a lot of time to recruiting players from other high school rosters doesn't necessitate feelings of ownership.

Could it? Possibly, but the general sentiment seems to be it just feels slimy to coaches who aren't doing that to SJC players.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has said that kids shouldn't be able to change schools or are property.

"It's a crappy move by coaches" is not the same as "players are property."

The SJC recruiting allegations and IAC teams not scheduling them because of it idea could also be more of a conspiracy theory than reality.

So this is a thoughtful response, and I agree with everything in here except as it relates to a kid’s right to go wherever they please/works best for them/will take them. Any aspect of the current system that acts to reduce or impact the exercise of that right that in any way reinforces a culture that exploits kids and their parents to wring potential value from them without fair return. The same allegations of distastefulness have been lodged against players in the pros and college for decades and those systems are dead or dying, thankfully.

There’s a laughably small amount of money and value in HS lax when compared with basketball or football or even soccer. But there is enough that some see a chance to make a living off of it. Nothing wrong with that, either, unless they rig it so nothing jeopardizes those revenue flows. Which they do with either rules restricting player movement (that are dying) or soft power (like discouraging the free movement of talent through social shaming).

Teams and schools and coaches (and other parents and alumni boosters) have been taking advantage of athletes forever. Saw it firsthand as a player and now as a parent. Kids promised the moon and pressured to stay in situations that aren’t in their short or long term best interests and then once no longer useful tossed aside. Anyone who has played high level or even mid level sports has anecdata about teammates who were exploited and then chucked aside and absent a strong advocate or safety net ended up in a bad way. The collapse of any system that doesn’t allow the athletes to capture full return for abilities and efforts that others leverage to benefit themselves over the athlete is long overdue.

We're talking about private school high school lacrosse; your position is hysterically out of touch.

This is not a venue where exploiting athletes is a major concern. Coaches and school admins aren't making money off sponsorships, shoe deals, and TV contracts.

Are there examples of coaches misleading or mistreating players? Absolutely.

Should families be able to change schools? Yes, and they can with way less barriers than college.

Is private school DC lacrosse fundamentally exploitative of athletes? Laughably no.

If SJC is doing slimy recruiting that other schools don't like, they aren't breaking down an exploitative system, they're just doing what they can to win.

Things aren't anywhere close to the college level but you are naïve if you don't think this doesn't occur in HS. There is NIL money, shoe deals, and scholarships at the HS level. I'm sure coaches also have bonuses and incentives in their contracts tied to wins and championships.

The level of exploitation is probably proportional to the money relative to college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaks is not well respected by area coaches - it's a fact.

The SJC boosters point their fingers to the success of the 2022 campaign and area teams fear SJC / worried about losing etc. etc. One amazing season doesn't equate to a dynasty Landon had fo 25+ years, or what GP accomplished for 20 years, and Gonzaga for the last 10 years.

The SJC 2023 team while still a great team last Spring, wouldn't have won the IAC, they hardly beat Bullis, a team GP smoked by 10+ goals on two separate occasions.

After the 2024 season, area coaches, especially from the IAC, won't be afraid of the Cadets. I don't see anyone on their roster who is even close to the caliber of player like Dunkel or Luke Roa (now at Cuse)

Unfortunately, Speaks has learned the hard way, he has burnt too many bridges with area coaches. You don't poach players already on the opposing team's rosters. I don't expect any IAC coaches to extend the olive branch any time soon.

With Good Counsel also emerging, I suspect you will see more IAC teams, opting to reach out to Dane Smith who is at least respected by his peers.

You don’t poach players? They’re not property - they can go wherever they feel is best for them. That poaching line is right out of the now-dying-NCAA playbook. Couldn’t care less about whatever personal feud you have with some coach but the only decision that matters is the one a kid and his parents make for his/her best interests, consistent with whatever the rules are at any given moment. Rules that are themselves subject to much needed change annually.

I think the complaint people are discussing here is SJC very actively recruiting players on other teams. No one is saying it's illegal but distasteful.

Whether or not that's why SJC isn't playing Bullis, Prep, or Landon, I have no idea, but there is no accusation of rule breaking.

The issue isn't whether you care about how SJC recruits but whether or not area schools care enough to not schedule them.

That’s fine. Also couldn’t care less about scheduling. But it’s only distasteful if you feel some semblance of ownership over a kid on a particular roster, and if that is the case I couldn’t disagree more strongly.

People thinking that SJC shouldn't commit a lot of time to recruiting players from other high school rosters doesn't necessitate feelings of ownership.

Could it? Possibly, but the general sentiment seems to be it just feels slimy to coaches who aren't doing that to SJC players.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has said that kids shouldn't be able to change schools or are property.

"It's a crappy move by coaches" is not the same as "players are property."

The SJC recruiting allegations and IAC teams not scheduling them because of it idea could also be more of a conspiracy theory than reality.

So this is a thoughtful response, and I agree with everything in here except as it relates to a kid’s right to go wherever they please/works best for them/will take them. Any aspect of the current system that acts to reduce or impact the exercise of that right that in any way reinforces a culture that exploits kids and their parents to wring potential value from them without fair return. The same allegations of distastefulness have been lodged against players in the pros and college for decades and those systems are dead or dying, thankfully.

There’s a laughably small amount of money and value in HS lax when compared with basketball or football or even soccer. But there is enough that some see a chance to make a living off of it. Nothing wrong with that, either, unless they rig it so nothing jeopardizes those revenue flows. Which they do with either rules restricting player movement (that are dying) or soft power (like discouraging the free movement of talent through social shaming).

Teams and schools and coaches (and other parents and alumni boosters) have been taking advantage of athletes forever. Saw it firsthand as a player and now as a parent. Kids promised the moon and pressured to stay in situations that aren’t in their short or long term best interests and then once no longer useful tossed aside. Anyone who has played high level or even mid level sports has anecdata about teammates who were exploited and then chucked aside and absent a strong advocate or safety net ended up in a bad way. The collapse of any system that doesn’t allow the athletes to capture full return for abilities and efforts that others leverage to benefit themselves over the athlete is long overdue.

We're talking about private school high school lacrosse; your position is hysterically out of touch.

This is not a venue where exploiting athletes is a major concern. Coaches and school admins aren't making money off sponsorships, shoe deals, and TV contracts.

Are there examples of coaches misleading or mistreating players? Absolutely.

Should families be able to change schools? Yes, and they can with way less barriers than college.

Is private school DC lacrosse fundamentally exploitative of athletes? Laughably no.

If SJC is doing slimy recruiting that other schools don't like, they aren't breaking down an exploitative system, they're just doing what they can to win.

Things aren't anywhere close to the college level but you are naïve if you don't think this doesn't occur in HS. There is NIL money, shoe deals, and scholarships at the HS level. I'm sure coaches also have bonuses and incentives in their contracts tied to wins and championships.

The level of exploitation is probably proportional to the money relative to college.

You are the winning poster for most delusional about the economics of high school lacrosse.

The NIL in HS lacrosse is maybe a small handful of kids nationally that get like sticks and mesh for free and maybe a few grand. Also, coaches don't oversee any of that; there are no NIL collectives for high school lacrosse that coaches are manipulating to pay players.

The only money any of the coaches can oversee in any capacity is aid/scholarships, and high school lacrosse isn't some revenue stream for schools so much that the schools are pouring resources into lacrosse.

Coaches don't have equipment sponsors that are paying them, some schools get some deals from equipment manufacturers and coaches might get a nice gortex jacket, but they aren't raking in profits.

No coaches that I know of have contractual bonus incentives - they might have sports dad buying beers, but jobs will be lost if they lose a lot.

Most of the coaches aren't making much more (if at all) then most normal private school educators.

The idea that high school lacrosse is exploitative of athletes for coaches or other adults is hysterical.