Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

Mayor Bowser only got 49% of the vote in the democratic vote in the real primary I wouldn't call that a landslide. The democratic primary decides the mayoral race for the most part

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

When you don't have any other good argument, xenophobia always gives you something to fall back on. Or you could just make a more basic claim that the voice of anyone who disagrees with you doesn't matter. Either way, it's rather pathetic.

Nope. I'm referring to something specific and a specific misunderstanding made about the role of ANC and ANC elections in the community.

Transplants seem to think ANCs are our version of local government. They aren't.

I guarantee that if you took a poll of recent transplants to D.C., no matter how you defined "recent," most of them would have no idea what ANCs were and might never even have heard of them. But ANCs are a form of local government, anyway (and generally, one that's been quite unfriendly to recent transplants or to non-single-family-homeowners).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mayor Bowser only got 49% of the vote in the democratic vote in the real primary I wouldn't call that a landslide. The democratic primary decides the mayoral race for the most part

Her closest rival in the Democratic primary also supported bike lanes (though he says it's important to listen to people like you who oppose them): https://twitter.com/robertwhite_dc/status/1529527829335097344

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After reading the comments on the upzoning post here as well as on my neighborhood email list about the changes that have been approved for Connecticut Avenue, I'm frustrated that I wasn't aware that the city was considering such significant changes. Now that I know about it, I'm wondering if there is a chance the decision could be reversed or greatly modified? For those of us who are just now realizing what's planned and are very concerned about how the changes will affect daily life for nearby residents and for commuters trying to get downtown or to schools, what's the best way to ask to have the decision reconsidered? Straight to the Mayor? To City Council reps? Who are the decisionmakers that need to be reached? I'm not looking to debate the issue here. If the neighborhood email discussion is any model, it won't be productive. Instead I'm asking for direction on who you should talk to if you oppose the plan and whether it's too late to make any difference. Please no comments about how I should have known about it sooner. Over the past two years I've been keeping a small business going while trying to manage two kids under 6 during COVID and caring for a terminally ill parent. While I wish I could have been following local issues more closely, I couldn't until now.

There were over 50 public meetings, almost all of them were announced on the neighborhood listservs, both by DDOT and the ANCs over the course of two plus years. These meetings had an aggregate of thousands of participants. The overwhelming majority of these people support the changes. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue overwhelmingly support the changes. The current councilmember, Mary Cheh, supports the changes and with oversight of DDOT, obtained funding for the changes. The Democratic nominee for Ward 3, Matthew Frumin, supports the changes. These changes are fully in line with the Biden Administration in terms sustainability, environmental protecttion, transportation policy, etc.

The only people who oppose the changes are the cranky old people on the Cleveland Park and Chevy Chase email discussion groups. I suppose if you want to try to change the course of this, you could support the republican in the Ward 3 race, a person who saw 1/6 and said "yes, I want to be a part of THAT GOP" and changed to become a republican. So if you want to support a member of the GOP that opposes women's right to choose, that supports radical Christian fundementalism and everything else that MAGA/Trumpism supports, then support the republican who, not surprisingly, opposes the changes on Connecticut Avenue.

It is hard for me to fathom how we can two people killed a month ago as a result of a car on Connexticut Avenue driving onto a sidewalk cafe, how we can see a car flipped on Connecticu Avenue as recently as last week and say, yes, this is a safe and wonderful Avenue, let's keep it the way it is.

The bottom line, the current mode is not healthy and not safe. We have to make changes, and what is proposes helps maintain traffic flow, provides a safe haven for bikes and pedestrians while tansforming a de facto urban highway into a pleasant boulevard.

Snark Growthers and Bike Bros (there is overlap) are incredibly ageist. It's uncivil and unbecoming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

When you don't have any other good argument, xenophobia always gives you something to fall back on. Or you could just make a more basic claim that the voice of anyone who disagrees with you doesn't matter. Either way, it's rather pathetic.

Nope. I'm referring to something specific and a specific misunderstanding made about the role of ANC and ANC elections in the community.

Transplants seem to think ANCs are our version of local government. They aren't.

Oh, so your point is that it's not because pro-bike ANCs won the election but that you lost because the a Ward 3 council member elected is in favor of it? Was that what you were going for?

Our ANC rep had concerns about Conn Ave "Option C" and won a contested race by 2:1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

Is there one side street that would see 7000 additional cars a day? Also can’t people just stop driving rather than threatening residents with killing their kids while driving down side streets?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

If there are truly 7000 cars on any side street, they will be bumper to bumper and not moving. In that scenario, a bike or on foot will be the only way to proceed. So, sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

7,000 cars on my street will make the street completely impassable to cars, so it seems like my kids could safely walk down the middle of the road under those circumstances. What makes streets dangerous is not the number of cars, it's how people drive on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

7,000 cars on my street will make the street completely impassable to cars, so it seems like my kids could safely walk down the middle of the road under those circumstances. What makes streets dangerous is not the number of cars, it's how people drive on them.

The fumes from a substantial increase in vehicles, fast-moving or stalled, will not be pleasant, either. And frustrated drivers stuck in traffic tend to use their horns and act more erratically. But the Bike Bros will be happy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

7,000 cars on my street will make the street completely impassable to cars, so it seems like my kids could safely walk down the middle of the road under those circumstances. What makes streets dangerous is not the number of cars, it's how people drive on them.

The fumes from a substantial increase in vehicles, fast-moving or stalled, will not be pleasant, either. And frustrated drivers stuck in traffic tend to use their horns and act more erratically. But the Bike Bros will be happy.

Ah, so maybe we should just cede all public space to drivers because if they are speeding and hoking and spewing fumes it is the fault of the people who want to bike and walk safely, and not the fault of the people who choose to honk, speed, and spew emissions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

7,000 cars on my street will make the street completely impassable to cars, so it seems like my kids could safely walk down the middle of the road under those circumstances. What makes streets dangerous is not the number of cars, it's how people drive on them.

The fumes from a substantial increase in vehicles, fast-moving or stalled, will not be pleasant, either. And frustrated drivers stuck in traffic tend to use their horns and act more erratically. But the Bike Bros will be happy.

Look, my point is, I support the bike lanes, even if it makes things more inconvenient for me personally on my side street right near a major corridor. You coming up with increasingly more baroque ways that it might be inconvenient for me personally isn't going to change that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

When you don't have any other good argument, xenophobia always gives you something to fall back on. Or you could just make a more basic claim that the voice of anyone who disagrees with you doesn't matter. Either way, it's rather pathetic.

Nope. I'm referring to something specific and a specific misunderstanding made about the role of ANC and ANC elections in the community.

Transplants seem to think ANCs are our version of local government. They aren't.

Oh, so your point is that it's not because pro-bike ANCs won the election but that you lost because the a Ward 3 council member elected is in favor of it? Was that what you were going for?

Our ANC rep had concerns about Conn Ave "Option C" and won a contested race by 2:1.

Rick Nash? He ran against a libertarian who donated to Krucoff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

When you don't have any other good argument, xenophobia always gives you something to fall back on. Or you could just make a more basic claim that the voice of anyone who disagrees with you doesn't matter. Either way, it's rather pathetic.

Nope. I'm referring to something specific and a specific misunderstanding made about the role of ANC and ANC elections in the community.

Transplants seem to think ANCs are our version of local government. They aren't.

Oh, so your point is that it's not because pro-bike ANCs won the election but that you lost because the a Ward 3 council member elected is in favor of it? Was that what you were going for?

Our ANC rep had concerns about Conn Ave "Option C" and won a contested race by 2:1.

Rick Nash? He ran against a libertarian who donated to Krucoff.

Nash’s opponent, Keith Mantel, was also endorsed by and received funds from Greater Greater Washington, Cleveland Park Smartgrowth, and the bike lobby and lost.