Do DC parents still blame teacher unions for everything?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread even a thing? Who cares if people are still blaming the union? Like it matters

That's because you have no political sense. If I were WTU, I'd be very worried. WTU right now is about as popular in DC as the Proud Boys. This pandemic has convinced a lot of parents that teachers unions are as bad as police unions. If politicians believe WTU is a toxic organization and voters will judge them based on their relationship with WTU, then WTU is fkced. There's a lot more parents than teachers.

Woah, you lie in a delusional bubble. I'm actually shocked....you're nuts. Many high SES white families are upset, some POC but majority of people may be disappointed or still want DL but they do not think of teachers are essentially a terrorist group. If that was the case I'd get a good laugh because if teachers are as bad as racists/murderers then you're ok with you're child being taught by a racist and a murderer.....

"Teachers" =/= the WTU

Yes, obviously the two are linked, but I've come to think that a lot of teachers don't support the WTU (and the charter teachers largely aren't unionized).

Anyone who has been to the clusterF that is a union meeting can attest to this. To think that the WTU is some powerful lobby is some serious cognitive dissonance. The only time they accomplished anything to do with reopening was when they successfully filed their PERB complaint. If you have a problem with an organization trying to protect its members rights from being stomped on, that says more about you than the union.

Additionally, Teachers voted STRONGLY against striking, but that probably doesn’t fit your proud boys terrorists narrative.

NP. Proud boys is hyperbole but don't dismiss the frustration that you are hearing as only Karen and Becky from WOTP and a handful of their friends whining over some dry Chardonnay. I suspect there are going to be a lot more education voters next time around in all wards of this city. It also feels like there is an opening for an education-focused, endorsing organization that is a counterweight to the WTU.

I mean I guess so but charters performed generally worse in terms of reopening compared to DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Half the teachers in my NW DC school have refused to show up due to childcare or medical accommodation, despite day cares/babysitters being available and vaccinations fully available.

I think this is the issue that at this point generates the most ire (at least for me). I could understand prior to vaccination that teachers were TOTALLY FREAKED OUT by covid. They had the power to refuse to go in-person, and they did (and I think that is partially on the union, but certainly unionized charter teachers also refused to go in). But post-vaccination, the continuing refusal to go in is...well...it's not a good look. I get there are logistical challenges and differing things going on in every single school, but there are enough instances where it appears that teachers have taken advantage of the easy-to-get accommodations and have therefore just decided to continue working from home. That suggests they really don't care that DL is not providing adequate education for many, many kids.

I’m a pro WTU teacher and I agree with this. Some people have absolutely exploited the system and that’s a big problem. I don’t know the best way to remedy that, but I’d be unable to argue against the idea that teachers who have still not returned where there is demand are in the right.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread even a thing? Who cares if people are still blaming the union? Like it matters

That's because you have no political sense. If I were WTU, I'd be very worried. WTU right now is about as popular in DC as the Proud Boys. This pandemic has convinced a lot of parents that teachers unions are as bad as police unions. If politicians believe WTU is a toxic organization and voters will judge them based on their relationship with WTU, then WTU is fkced. There's a lot more parents than teachers.

I am a teacher and I am not worried. Didn't know NW parents are also upset with police unions. Fascinating.

You sound unhinged. Get help.

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Anonymous wrote:ah, memories...

https://twitter.com/debbietruong/status/1287812716950884352?s=20

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread even a thing? Who cares if people are still blaming the union? Like it matters

That's because you have no political sense. If I were WTU, I'd be very worried. WTU right now is about as popular in DC as the Proud Boys. This pandemic has convinced a lot of parents that teachers unions are as bad as police unions. If politicians believe WTU is a toxic organization and voters will judge them based on their relationship with WTU, then WTU is fkced. There's a lot more parents than teachers.

I am a teacher and I am not worried. Didn't know NW parents are also upset with police unions. Fascinating.

You sound unhinged. Get help.

Well, you see, there was this man named George Floyd -- maybe you heard someone mention him sometime in the past year?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a DCPS a teacher who has returned to in person learning along with two handfuls of my colleagues. By and large, the kids don’t come.

Do you hate us too, or just the teachers who are still working from home on a daily basis?

Isn't this your own fault?

WTU has spent the past year lying to the public about the risks of reopening schools.

Maybe it's not a coincidence that more highly educated, sophisticated parents, who saw through WTU's brazen and shameless lies, want their kids back in the classroom. And poorly educated parents think their kids are all going to die if they step in a classroom.

How is this my fault? I’m in the building daily. I stayed home when school was virtual. I got the call from my principal to return in person and I did.

My fault...my poor students. They really do need to be in school to get away from people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread even a thing? Who cares if people are still blaming the union? Like it matters

That's because you have no political sense. If I were WTU, I'd be very worried. WTU right now is about as popular in DC as the Proud Boys. This pandemic has convinced a lot of parents that teachers unions are as bad as police unions. If politicians believe WTU is a toxic organization and voters will judge them based on their relationship with WTU, then WTU is fkced. There's a lot more parents than teachers.

Woah, you lie in a delusional bubble. I'm actually shocked....you're nuts. Many high SES white families are upset, some POC but majority of people may be disappointed or still want DL but they do not think of teachers are essentially a terrorist group. If that was the case I'd get a good laugh because if teachers are as bad as racists/murderers then you're ok with you're child being taught by a racist and a murderer.....

"Teachers" =/= the WTU

Yes, obviously the two are linked, but I've come to think that a lot of teachers don't support the WTU (and the charter teachers largely aren't unionized).

Anyone who has been to the clusterF that is a union meeting can attest to this. To think that the WTU is some powerful lobby is some serious cognitive dissonance. The only time they accomplished anything to do with reopening was when they successfully filed their PERB complaint. If you have a problem with an organization trying to protect its members rights from being stomped on, that says more about you than the union.

Additionally, Teachers voted STRONGLY against striking, but that probably doesn’t fit your proud boys terrorists narrative.

NP. Proud boys is hyperbole but don't dismiss the frustration that you are hearing as only Karen and Becky from WOTP and a handful of their friends whining over some dry Chardonnay. I suspect there are going to be a lot more education voters next time around in all wards of this city. It also feels like there is an opening for an education-focused, endorsing organization that is a counterweight to the WTU.

That's ok, you underestimate the power of title 1 teachers. We can get most of our families to vote too. So let's not make threats. Most teachers want what's best for students, this is a pandemic. If your teacher did not come in well they had a reason and YOU don't know it for sure unless they told you. Also even if it sucks, I mean last time I check teachers have a direct supervisor and others above that.

I'm IPL but it makes me sick listening to the whining of privileged people. You know who I actually feel bad for is all of the kids who were already behind and are now way behind. All the kids suffering actual emotional damage. Not the ones with a mommy and a daddy, who never worry about food, and whose parents can help them with basic 1st grade math.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread even a thing? Who cares if people are still blaming the union? Like it matters

That's because you have no political sense. If I were WTU, I'd be very worried. WTU right now is about as popular in DC as the Proud Boys. This pandemic has convinced a lot of parents that teachers unions are as bad as police unions. If politicians believe WTU is a toxic organization and voters will judge them based on their relationship with WTU, then WTU is fkced. There's a lot more parents than teachers.

Woah, you lie in a delusional bubble. I'm actually shocked....you're nuts. Many high SES white families are upset, some POC but majority of people may be disappointed or still want DL but they do not think of teachers are essentially a terrorist group. If that was the case I'd get a good laugh because if teachers are as bad as racists/murderers then you're ok with you're child being taught by a racist and a murderer.....

"Teachers" =/= the WTU

Yes, obviously the two are linked, but I've come to think that a lot of teachers don't support the WTU (and the charter teachers largely aren't unionized).

Anyone who has been to the clusterF that is a union meeting can attest to this. To think that the WTU is some powerful lobby is some serious cognitive dissonance. The only time they accomplished anything to do with reopening was when they successfully filed their PERB complaint. If you have a problem with an organization trying to protect its members rights from being stomped on, that says more about you than the union.

Additionally, Teachers voted STRONGLY against striking, but that probably doesn’t fit your proud boys terrorists narrative.

NP. Proud boys is hyperbole but don't dismiss the frustration that you are hearing as only Karen and Becky from WOTP and a handful of their friends whining over some dry Chardonnay. I suspect there are going to be a lot more education voters next time around in all wards of this city. It also feels like there is an opening for an education-focused, endorsing organization that is a counterweight to the WTU.

That's ok, you underestimate the power of title 1 teachers. We can get most of our families to vote too. So let's not make threats. Most teachers want what's best for students, this is a pandemic. If your teacher did not come in well they had a reason and YOU don't know it for sure unless they told you. Also even if it sucks, I mean last time I check teachers have a direct supervisor and others above that.

I'm IPL but it makes me sick listening to the whining of privileged people. You know who I actually feel bad for is all of the kids who were already behind and are now way behind. All the kids suffering actual emotional damage. Not the ones with a mommy and a daddy, who never worry about food, and whose parents can help them with basic 1st grade math.

+1 been IPL for a while, was on my schools RCC. Every step of the way we worked with families teachers admin to do what was logistically possible. At no point were we given any instructions from WTU to try and impede reopening. The principals spoke out against reopening. Move on with your lives

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread even a thing? Who cares if people are still blaming the union? Like it matters

That's because you have no political sense. If I were WTU, I'd be very worried. WTU right now is about as popular in DC as the Proud Boys. This pandemic has convinced a lot of parents that teachers unions are as bad as police unions. If politicians believe WTU is a toxic organization and voters will judge them based on their relationship with WTU, then WTU is fkced. There's a lot more parents than teachers.

Woah, you lie in a delusional bubble. I'm actually shocked....you're nuts. Many high SES white families are upset, some POC but majority of people may be disappointed or still want DL but they do not think of teachers are essentially a terrorist group. If that was the case I'd get a good laugh because if teachers are as bad as racists/murderers then you're ok with you're child being taught by a racist and a murderer.....

"Teachers" =/= the WTU

Yes, obviously the two are linked, but I've come to think that a lot of teachers don't support the WTU (and the charter teachers largely aren't unionized).

Anyone who has been to the clusterF that is a union meeting can attest to this. To think that the WTU is some powerful lobby is some serious cognitive dissonance. The only time they accomplished anything to do with reopening was when they successfully filed their PERB complaint. If you have a problem with an organization trying to protect its members rights from being stomped on, that says more about you than the union.

Additionally, Teachers voted STRONGLY against striking, but that probably doesn’t fit your proud boys terrorists narrative.

NP. Proud boys is hyperbole but don't dismiss the frustration that you are hearing as only Karen and Becky from WOTP and a handful of their friends whining over some dry Chardonnay. I suspect there are going to be a lot more education voters next time around in all wards of this city. It also feels like there is an opening for an education-focused, endorsing organization that is a counterweight to the WTU.

That's ok, you underestimate the power of title 1 teachers. We can get most of our families to vote too. So let's not make threats. Most teachers want what's best for students, this is a pandemic. If your teacher did not come in well they had a reason and YOU don't know it for sure unless they told you. Also even if it sucks, I mean last time I check teachers have a direct supervisor and others above that.

I'm IPL but it makes me sick listening to the whining of privileged people. You know who I actually feel bad for is all of the kids who were already behind and are now way behind. All the kids suffering actual emotional damage. Not the ones with a mommy and a daddy, who never worry about food, and whose parents can help them with basic 1st grade math.

+1 been IPL for a while, was on my schools RCC. Every step of the way we worked with families teachers admin to do what was logistically possible. At no point were we given any instructions from WTU to try and impede reopening. The principals spoke out against reopening. Move on with your lives

did you forget the whole part where you went on strike?

I’m sure you and PP are very effective *in person.*

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Anonymous wrote:Look, obviously unions are supposed represent the interests of their members. But it was still crass to see just how single-mindedly WTU fought any reasonable compromise to reopen. Tooth and nail, no matter how much families were suffering. That's just not a good look and it probably cost teachers quite a bit of goodwill for years to come.

This. Exactly this.

You thought it was "reasonable" because you wanted your kids back in buildings. The WTU did not agree that it was "reasonable" and fought for the interests of their members. You're Big Mad and have thrown over a year's worth of tantrums. Oh well.

right, you don’t care about kids, only your own interests. say it louder for those in the back.

I'm not a teacher, sweetie, but gold star for effort. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:The WTU should be ashamed of itself but, based on teachers' posts here, it's not.

The real problem is that we have mayoral control of DCPS in the hands of a mayor who is uninterested in being in control of the schools. The chancellor is subpar, the mayor is uninterested. WTU took advantage of that situation and children suffered.

The mayor took advantage of the union. Bowser didn't know how to handle reopening between Wards 3/4 vs. 7/8- it was too political. She played the media and made it seem like the union had way more power than it actually did and the union bit the bait. Other than ADA, there was no reason to keep teachers virtual. Principals had the power to bring back teachers depending on how aggressive their reopening plans were and the population the school served.

Reopening schools in DC was incredibly complex because of it's population. I know everyone on this forum had grand ideas on how to reopen their lNW schools but no one knew how to nor cared about the title 1 schools.

And if you are still harboring this deep contempt and hate for DCPS teachers in the fall- then leave. Even with full reopening, you will be disappointed. Go somewhere that will make you happy.

I care about Title 1 schools. The way to reopen them would have been to end virtual and require parents to send their kids back, with a normal 5 day week and after care. And for WTU to have refrained from scaremongering.

This is the problem with the people on this site. You don’t get to tell other people what to do. Your feelings are no more valid than those of those in title 1 schools (in fact, I’d argue that they are less valid bc you are trying to tell people what to do with their children).
I swear people love the idea of DC being a diverse city until it impacts them

And you would agree that this goes both ways? Do families in T1 schools get to tell those not in T1 schools what they are allowed to feel and do for their kids?

I hope you’re not comparing the plight of UMC families to low income neighborhoods

I hope you aren’t basing a parent’s right to advocate for their own child on skin color.

Actually, I am. Systemic racism is a pretty big problem that has been exacerbated during reopening.

The systemic racism was/is keeping black kids out of school and not ensuring they had equal access to in person school. Unless you’re suggesting that white kids should have been kept in DL to keep things equal?

And I’m sure it’s hard for teachers and admins to accept that in this year of racial reckoning and florid declarations of equity, they were responsible for the biggest act of systemic racism in DC schools since segregation. But that’s how systemic racism works ... it’s a system, so you don’t feel individually responsible.

Nope. It's not "hard for teachers (or anyone else with a brain) to accept," because it's your opinion, and it's baseless bullsh*t.

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Anonymous wrote:What would have been wrong with just giving everyone a choice? Families that want IPL should get IPL. Families that want virtual can stay virtual. So tired of the condescending sermons on both sides. The only winner was WTU fanning all this division to keep schools shut for everyone.

Because as much as people here don’t want to accept, we should not give parents the “choice” to keep their kids out of school.

School isn't buildings. Sorry. In a pandemic, distance learning IS education, and those students will graduate to the next grade after their year in distance learning.

As much as people like YOU don't want to accept, we should not (and thankfully, did not, despite all your interminable screaming) give privileged parents the "choice" to force everyone else's kids into buildings during a pandemic for the benefit of their own special, special bebes.

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Anonymous wrote:What would have been wrong with just giving everyone a choice? Families that want IPL should get IPL. Families that want virtual can stay virtual. So tired of the condescending sermons on both sides. The only winner was WTU fanning all this division to keep schools shut for everyone.

Because as much as people here don’t want to accept, we should not give parents the “choice” to keep their kids out of school.

Exactly this. School is compulsory for a reason.

My kid has been in DL all year. Oddly, no truant officers have visited me. Weird, since you seem to be asserting that in person during a pandemic is "compulsory." Huh.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a DCPS a teacher who has returned to in person learning along with two handfuls of my colleagues. By and large, the kids don’t come.

Do you hate us too, or just the teachers who are still working from home on a daily basis?

Certainly don't hate you - I think we all thank you for doing your jobs. It's your union that's the problem and the position it's put you in. Might be nice for the WTU to show up at all of the high school graduations at Audi Field and apologize to the seniors from whom they stole their last year in high school. But of course they won't, because they don't care about them.

Are you always this melodramatic?

P.S. You forgot the idiotic "held our kids hostage!! OMG!!!" and "teachers are terrorists!!!" lines.

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Anonymous wrote:Just settle down. People are still dying and only 50 percent of the population is vaccinated. You people in upper NW have an entirely different existence than the rest of the city and you prove it on this site every day. You don't know everything and stop blaming worker organizations that are mostly comprised of women of color for your own weird preconceptions and slated view of the world.

so I’m not supposed to care that black kids in SE have dramatically worse access to education than my kid? makes sense.

But you DON'T care. I know you think you're so sneaky, but you're fooling NO ONE with a working brain. You are using those black kids as wedges to jam your own privileged kids into school buildings.

I wish to hell they had, months ago, allowed back ONLY the lowest income kids, the foster kids, the homeless kids, and left your privileged kids in DL. Then we'd see just how deeply you "care" about "black kids in SE."