Wash Post - Stop vaccinating teachers if they won’t go back in person

[Anonymous]

Why didn’t they limit vaccines for school staff who would be working in person? That just makes sense when there is a limited supply. In no universe should
Kimberly Adams been vaccinated two days before the front of the line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t they limit vaccines for school staff who would be working in person? That just makes sense when there is a limited supply. In no universe should
Kimberly Adams been vaccinated two days before the front of the line.

This does make intuitive sense. But it creates logistical bottlenecks of weeding through priority groups and only scheduling them and then moving on to the next group etc. if the goal is precision, sure. but we need large scale dosing to try to get herd immunity so creating these niche little categories within already prioritized groups just creates hang ups in the system.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait till Wash. Post (or others) learn of the FB post about the APS teacher who let her kids out of class at 11 am and assigned asynchronous work for the next day because she's at Disney World.

There are some unknowns here, but the optics and hypocrisy are terrible. APS won't let our kids return to class, but it's OK to allow teachers to vacation in Disney and assign asynchronous work?

Why not? For all we know the teacher is willing to teach F2F. That teacher didn’t make the decision to work remotely. If she has the leave to use she can use it. If you see a teacher at the gym or eating at a restaurant off school hours are you going take issue and give them a hard time?

This is the problem with the school debate right now though. By arguing that schools can’t reopen because it’s not safe for teachers, it has made an issue of every risky behavior teachers engage in. Should we be scrutinizing every teacher’s individual choices right now? No. But the unions are framing the argument in a way that makes it inevitable.

School closures are hard on families. You may roll your eyes at that, but it’s true. A family struggling to keep up with school, childcare, and work is OF COURSE going to be livid to find out a teacher at their school is teaching from a hotel room at Disney Workd and then assigning asynchronous work to go vacation with her family. Of course that’s upsetting. Many families gave up vacations and in person socializing specifically in the hopes that it would keep numbers low enough to make it safe for schools to reopen. Any teacher or union advocate who doesn’t understand how this is bad should not be playing a part in the discussion around reopening. There is no good faith way to defend what that teacher did.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve exercised my opinion by moving three kids to private. I’m unlike teachers I’m motivated to help kids.


If I relied on public tax dollars for my crappy salary and summers off I’d be concerned with the public’s opinion- but maybe this inability to foresee consequences is why you teach instead of do.

This is also deeply unhealthy.
Some of you are just so far gone. It is really sad to think about people existing and thinking this way and thinking it’s okay to talk about human beings like this.

What’s sad is people thinking children, their lives, education and mental health matter so little, if at all. Especially those in a chosen career that is supposedly dedicated to children.

Remote learning is ending soon. You meanwhile have squandered the last year festering in this kind of anger. It’s corrosive . You’re going to still be miserable when this ends because it’s what you’ve gotten used to clearly.

We don’t have any guarantee yet for 5 days a week in the fall. I don’t think we can let up till we have that.

I am going to say this once more. Get the teachers vaccinated, muzzle the FEA lady - problem solved. Kids who don’t want to come in can get DL from a very select group of teachers, but the VAST majority of teachers come back to the building and teach in person. Maybe people need to sign liability waivers if we can’t do the correct distancing, I don’t know, but I just don’t think it is THAT complicated at this point.

DP, and the FCPS school board (at least) can find a way to make ANYTHING complicated. They spend their entire 7+ hour meetings talking in circles.

I think Braband isn’t helping. We need a stronger leader who is not trying to please all stakeholders (thereby making everyone unhappy - you think he is making teachers happy? No, I am not happy. Anyone whom wants to teach cannot be happy with this.). He also can’t come up with a decent and organized plan. It is always some confusing slideshow with so many problems, it just invites our conversation happy SB with all sorts of different holes to point out. I swear to God, my students could come up with a better slideshow and “plan” than he has.

This exercise has to meet many (all?) of the FCPS portrait of a graduate skills - communicator, check; collaborator, check; ethical & global citizen, check; creative & critical thinker, check; goal-directed individual, check (not so sure about resilient...maybe resilient during negotiations with classmates?) . Please go for it. I would love if my kids had this assignment, but my 1st grader's plan (she's shared it with me) is "Have everyone wear masks and do school like normal." Not quite sure if my 3rd grader could get more in depth.

My HS junior could do a decent job. Better than Brabrand.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait till Wash. Post (or others) learn of the FB post about the APS teacher who let her kids out of class at 11 am and assigned asynchronous work for the next day because she's at Disney World.

There are some unknowns here, but the optics and hypocrisy are terrible. APS won't let our kids return to class, but it's OK to allow teachers to vacation in Disney and assign asynchronous work?

Why not? For all we know the teacher is willing to teach F2F. That teacher didn’t make the decision to work remotely. If she has the leave to use she can use it. If you see a teacher at the gym or eating at a restaurant off school hours are you going take issue and give them a hard time?

This is the problem with the school debate right now though. By arguing that schools can’t reopen because it’s not safe for teachers, it has made an issue of every risky behavior teachers engage in. Should we be scrutinizing every teacher’s individual choices right now? No. But the unions are framing the argument in a way that makes it inevitable.

School closures are hard on families. You may roll your eyes at that, but it’s true. A family struggling to keep up with school, childcare, and work is OF COURSE going to be livid to find out a teacher at their school is teaching from a hotel room at Disney Workd and then assigning asynchronous work to go vacation with her family. Of course that’s upsetting. Many families gave up vacations and in person socializing specifically in the hopes that it would keep numbers low enough to make it safe for schools to reopen. Any teacher or union advocate who doesn’t understand how this is bad should not be playing a part in the discussion around reopening. There is no good faith way to defend what that teacher did.

If the teacher took leave and in addition provided asynchronous assignments, I see no problem with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t they limit vaccines for school staff who would be working in person? That just makes sense when there is a limited supply. In no universe should
Kimberly Adams been vaccinated two days before the front of the line.

Isn’t that potentially everyone pre-k to 12 by mid-March?

Yes, Kimberly Adams would not be in that group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait till Wash. Post (or others) learn of the FB post about the APS teacher who let her kids out of class at 11 am and assigned asynchronous work for the next day because she's at Disney World.

There are some unknowns here, but the optics and hypocrisy are terrible. APS won't let our kids return to class, but it's OK to allow teachers to vacation in Disney and assign asynchronous work?

Why not? For all we know the teacher is willing to teach F2F. That teacher didn’t make the decision to work remotely. If she has the leave to use she can use it. If you see a teacher at the gym or eating at a restaurant off school hours are you going take issue and give them a hard time?

DP. Why not? No one should be a Disney world in a pandemic. Teacher or not.

That’s your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait till Wash. Post (or others) learn of the FB post about the APS teacher who let her kids out of class at 11 am and assigned asynchronous work for the next day because she's at Disney World.

There are some unknowns here, but the optics and hypocrisy are terrible. APS won't let our kids return to class, but it's OK to allow teachers to vacation in Disney and assign asynchronous work?

Why not? For all we know the teacher is willing to teach F2F. That teacher didn’t make the decision to work remotely. If she has the leave to use she can use it. If you see a teacher at the gym or eating at a restaurant off school hours are you going take issue and give them a hard time?

This is the problem with the school debate right now though. By arguing that schools can’t reopen because it’s not safe for teachers, it has made an issue of every risky behavior teachers engage in. Should we be scrutinizing every teacher’s individual choices right now? No. But the unions are framing the argument in a way that makes it inevitable.

School closures are hard on families. You may roll your eyes at that, but it’s true. A family struggling to keep up with school, childcare, and work is OF COURSE going to be livid to find out a teacher at their school is teaching from a hotel room at Disney Workd and then assigning asynchronous work to go vacation with her family. Of course that’s upsetting. Many families gave up vacations and in person socializing specifically in the hopes that it would keep numbers low enough to make it safe for schools to reopen. Any teacher or union advocate who doesn’t understand how this is bad should not be playing a part in the discussion around reopening. There is no good faith way to defend what that teacher did.

If the teacher took leave and in addition provided asynchronous assignments, I see no problem with it.

It a risky behavior. We’re in the middle of a conversation about whether teachers should be prioritized for a vaccine. Teachers can’t simultaneously argue that doing their jobs in person is too risky unless they get vaccine preference, and then go to Disneyland on their day off. It doesn’t even matter if this specific teacher wants to teach in person. It’s the flip side of collective bargaining. All teachers are going to be associated with this one teacher’s choice.