Nice White Parents

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Do any ACPS parents think a lot of this podcast sounded awfully familiar?

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Anonymous wrote:No good deed goes unpunished in this world.

Hearing about these folks out-woke each other is just priceless.

+1.

I'm just done with these hate whitey people, including the white ones. Not going to argue. Not angry. Not voting for Trump. But just done giving a shit about people who are going to spread hatred and division based on race.

[Anonymous]

Just finished listening. Filled with white people who want to change the school/system for everyone else, but not themselves. Classic.

[Anonymous]

Do any ACPS parents think a lot of this podcast sounded awfully familiar?

Not really. My kids went to Maury, which is about a 60-40 split, with the 60 being affluent kids (mostly white but not all white). The PTA etc. has its flaws, but they really tried hard to make ways to include the less affluent kids in the school community and find opportunities for them. I was satisfied with the school for my daughter, but not really for my son, who has a learning disability.

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I did have to adapt to the fact that things do, like the podcast says, seem more chaotic and loud. There's always a dull roar from the crowd at, say, back to school night, that just doesn't exist in the whiter schools. Part of that is that immigrant and minority families bring the whole family to these events rather than just the mom or dad. Also, there's a main speaker in English at the front of the room and a translator for spanish in the back. It turns out that integration doesn't mean conformity. We don't just take students from different cultures and countries and integrate them into our culture. We have to integrate WITH them and it's a bit of a culture shock at first. I can see why it scares some parents away. But I'm glad we stuck it out because our kid is happy and doing well

This is a really interesting point. I interact with people of other races and originally from other countries in my workplace every day, but they are people who have conformed to my culture or the office culture. I did find it a slight a shock to deal with some of the parents at my kids' school initially, because they are not people who have conformed to my culture fully. But I got used to it and I don't notice as much now.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished listening. Filled with white people who want to change the school/system for everyone else, but not themselves. Classic.

Well, what are your solutions or are you just complaining?

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished listening. Filled with white people who want to change the school/system for everyone else, but not themselves. Classic.

Well, what are your solutions or are you just complaining?

Not complaining. Just stating that if some people want to dictate outcomes for others, but not for themselves. If the ladies in the last episode were so interested in ending the defacto segregation why didn’t they give up their coveted spots for their kids? Instead they worked the system, got the spots, felt bad for getting the spots, but sent their kids anyway and then tried to change the system. I’m all for changing to a lottery type system, but seems rather hypocritical.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/21/nyregion/school-integration-progressives.html

Every point in here can be ripped to shreds by anyone with half a brain

I think my favorite ironic section is this one

I mean, just to be honest, in the culture that we live in, it’s about individualism. It’s about getting the upper hand. You have people writing letters for kindergarten students in New York City to get into a kindergarten program. So I think we just have to be realistic about that, the culture that we live in, and what history has shown us. (Yes that will never go away why would anyone sacrifice their child on the altar of diversity or wokeness)

But I think the question for me is how should parents who may not have the means, but have the wherewithal, can create their own educational networks and communities to help them during the pandemic — and beyond. So that’s what I’ve been giving thought to — and to how educators and community organizations could be working directly with parents and families to meet those needs. (You mean actually caring about education about time)

The focus needs to be shifting, for those who are focused on justice, from equity to emancipation. That means for students of color, for immigrant students, for others who have been marginalized in the U.S. school system, to recognize the system that they’re in and to begin to think about ways to liberate themselves from that. (Perhaps I mean that's what some African Americans were doing almost 100 years ago creating separate systems)

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone written Nice Asian Parents yet? Or Competitive Indian Parents? Or Demanding Russian Parents? Or are they exempt from the consequences of their parenting, which is exactly the same as UMC white people?

The difference is that they’re faaaaar less hypocritical about it. They don’t go on and on about how black lives matter or post those “no matter where you’re from you’re welcome here” signs in front of their house or make their “liberal” political views a personality trait only to turn around and shelter their kids from poor minorities like white people in say, Bethesda or N Arlington do.

This +100. I am from one of the immigrant groups you mentioned above. My husband is not and he is a die hard liberal. This is exactly what I tell him. I am right leaving and have a lot of unpopular opinions in our house and in my extended family on my husband’s side. But at least I am honest about it. I have worked my butt off to get to where I am now and I work my butt off so my kids can have the best education and I am doing my best to lay the groundwork for a successful future/ That’s my JOB as a parent and that’s what my immigrant parents did for me. If you don’t think your job as a parent is to set high standards and prioritize development and education - fine. But then don’t bring down the rest of us with you. Fewer kids and an education is a way out of poverty (and yes, vocational education counts.)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone written Nice Asian Parents yet? Or Competitive Indian Parents? Or Demanding Russian Parents? Or are they exempt from the consequences of their parenting, which is exactly the same as UMC white people?

The difference is that they’re faaaaar less hypocritical about it. They don’t go on and on about how black lives matter or post those “no matter where you’re from you’re welcome here” signs in front of their house or make their “liberal” political views a personality trait only to turn around and shelter their kids from poor minorities like white people in say, Bethesda or N Arlington do.

This +100. I am from one of the immigrant groups you mentioned above. My husband is not and he is a die hard liberal. This is exactly what I tell him. I am right leaving and have a lot of unpopular opinions in our house and in my extended family on my husband’s side. But at least I am honest about it. I have worked my butt off to get to where I am now and I work my butt off so my kids can have the best education and I am doing my best to lay the groundwork for a successful future/ That’s my JOB as a parent and that’s what my immigrant parents did for me. If you don’t think your job as a parent is to set high standards and prioritize development and education - fine. But then don’t bring down the rest of us with you. Fewer kids and an education is a way out of poverty (and yes, vocational education counts.)

This! Throughout our history, THIS is the type of immigration that has made our country the envy of the world. The "open boarder" BS the idiot Democrats are pushing does nothing but weaken a nation-any nation. I am a second generation American. My parents and grandparents saw the value of working hard and building up their community, not looting it and burning it down.

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Agree with the previous PPs. I will continue donating money and such to those in need but I will not feel guilty about sending my kids to the best schools and programs they can get into. That’s how I got out of poverty when I came here with my parents as a legal immigrant.

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Anonymous wrote:We as a society need to realize that schools are not, and should not be, a place to address all of these social issues. They should be there for one thing-educating our children. We should be concerned that if schools remain closed children may not be fed, but SCHOOLS are not the vehicle to address nutritional needs of our citizens, and secondary and tertiary issues like school lunch or mental health should not be involved in the decisions regarding opening schools.

It is time to restore the notion that government does not exist to solve all of your problems. People are pushing to expand government more and more. What is needed is the exact opposite.

SNAP benefits should increase while schools are closed to offset the loss of free meals.

Because some bad parents would keep this money for themselves or sell their snap cards. The idea is to ensure kids from abusive/neglectful homes are fed

In fact, why do we have reduced and free lunch in the first place? Why not just increase SNAP as children get older and let the families choose what the child eats during the day?

It’s not like school lunch is the height of nutrition.

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Anonymous wrote:Crummy schools have had trillions dumped into them over the last 40 years. People do not change. Whether it’s culture or genetics, I don’t know. What I do know is that the needle NEVER moves. All the so called improvements are fake, the result of cheating, data juking and other manipulating schemes. And we need stop painting inner city teachers and admins as selfless saints. The most unqualified POS six-figure admins I’ve ever dealt with were inner city admins.

I worked in one of those schools. The problem was not the teachers or the admin or the curriculum or the students. The problem was poverty, which schools don't cause and can't solve alone. No amount of money put into a school for anything at all is going to help a kid who goes home to a crack house every day, who is abused, hungry, whose mom leaves him locked out of the house all night while she has "clients" in, and so on. All that really happens and it happens right here in Northern Virginia. That's why the needle doesn't move. It's people that need money, not schools.

Exactly. And that so many folks are ready to blame the kids for their situation says all you need to know about the people throwing stones.

+1

And someone was advocating to just give extra SNAP cards to these parents and eliminate FARM

[Anonymous]

How about living in a country where I am not responsible for your kids? If your school is a problem, go somewhere else. Your kids are not my problem.

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Anonymous wrote:How about living in a country where I am not responsible for your kids? If your school is a problem, go somewhere else. Your kids are not my problem.

Why bother living in a country with public education if that's your attitude