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Anonymous wrote:The fact that personal responsibility is now viewed as a conservative viewpoint is so sad (I truly don't mean that to be argumentative). We now have a large segment of our society that not only believe that it is ok for the government to be more responsible for the health and well being of their families, but that society OWES them support in all aspects of their lives.

"Personal responsibility" became a conservative viewpoint because the people who push a "personal responsibility" viewpoint largely ignore the system-wide issues of racism and class segregation that make it very difficult if not impossible for impoverished people to "pull themselves up by their boot straps" and take "personal responsibility" for their situation. The reality is that people who are born into generational poverty and live in economically decimated communities do not bear responsibility for those conditions, nor are they able, as individuals, to overcome decades of marginalization.

Society does not "OWE" anyone support in all areas of life, but public education is a right that all children have in this country. So yes, people feel entitled to support in education. Please listen to episode 2 of this podcast for description of what "separate but equal" schools were like, and if you still do not understand why personal responsibility is inadequate to address the magnitude of the problem, maybe you should go back to school yourself.

This right here is bullsh*t. Somehow Asian immigrants can break out of poverty in a single generation. Why can't blacks? The answer is that they do not recognize education as the vehicle of change and support it at home.

Your point is not all wrong, but you need to look deeper. Ask WHY.
Think about why. Why hasnt education always been a vehicle of change? Think the specific history of their culture in this country, how they have been treated. Its not just poverty, its way more then that and it effects generations. how they see themselves represented in society, what society has done TO THEM, what they can strive to be vs others. See if you can understand why norms have been established the way they have in some communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that personal responsibility is now viewed as a conservative viewpoint is so sad (I truly don't mean that to be argumentative). We now have a large segment of our society that not only believe that it is ok for the government to be more responsible for the health and well being of their families, but that society OWES them support in all aspects of their lives.

"Personal responsibility" became a conservative viewpoint because the people who push a "personal responsibility" viewpoint largely ignore the system-wide issues of racism and class segregation that make it very difficult if not impossible for impoverished people to "pull themselves up by their boot straps" and take "personal responsibility" for their situation. The reality is that people who are born into generational poverty and live in economically decimated communities do not bear responsibility for those conditions, nor are they able, as individuals, to overcome decades of marginalization.

Society does not "OWE" anyone support in all areas of life, but public education is a right that all children have in this country. So yes, people feel entitled to support in education. Please listen to episode 2 of this podcast for description of what "separate but equal" schools were like, and if you still do not understand why personal responsibility is inadequate to address the magnitude of the problem, maybe you should go back to school yourself.

This right here is bullsh*t. Somehow Asian immigrants can break out of poverty in a single generation. Why can't blacks? The answer is that they do not recognize education as the vehicle of change and support it at home.

Nigerian immigrants are more educated than Asian immigrants. Look it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do they touch on how school districts are drawn especially in NJ, NY and CT? People are very deliberate in how they choose where to lve based on school district. If you could dissolve that system, that would go a long way to redistributing resources.

Yes, white parents will still try to mobilize resources, but at least poorer students wouldn't be concentrated in certain schools.

Dissolve it and replace it with what? Every system I've seen that went beyond a marginal change resulted in significant amounts of white flight.

Driving the people with money out of your school system doesn't bode well in the long run.

Let's see what they do. FCPS promises radical change to its STEM school and at least one board member is determined to draw boundaries and compose schools based on race and income. Most of the rest of them backed away from this idea during the election. Maybe they will draw inspiration from current events and take it up again.

Racism to combat racism is a losing proposition. In order for people to stop treating others based on the color of their skin, we first have to have our government stop treating people differently based on the color of their skin. The race baiting that has occurred has set us back a generation. Implementing even MORE programs that would give benefits to people based on race will have a disastrous affect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do they touch on how school districts are drawn especially in NJ, NY and CT? People are very deliberate in how they choose where to lve based on school district. If you could dissolve that system, that would go a long way to redistributing resources.

Yes, white parents will still try to mobilize resources, but at least poorer students wouldn't be concentrated in certain schools.

Dissolve it and replace it with what? Every system I've seen that went beyond a marginal change resulted in significant amounts of white flight.

Driving the people with money out of your school system doesn't bode well in the long run.

Let's see what they do. FCPS promises radical change to its STEM school and at least one board member is determined to draw boundaries and compose schools based on race and income. Most of the rest of them backed away from this idea during the election. Maybe they will draw inspiration from current events and take it up again.

Racism to combat racism is a losing proposition. In order for people to stop treating others based on the color of their skin, we first have to have our government stop treating people differently based on the color of their skin. The race baiting that has occurred has set us back a generation. Implementing even MORE programs that would give benefits to people based on race will have a disastrous affect.

Sorry, but what benefits? Black neighborhoods are taxed at higher rates. Black people are more likely to be arrested and imprisoned, and then work essentially as slaves in prison labor. Even in preschool, black kids are punished more harshly and expelled at higher rates. Some of them end up on welfare- is that surprising?

Oh and I'm not even liberal. I'm a conservative, sometimes Trump supporter and even to me, it is clear as day that the only people who are endless recipients of social benefits are white people. And that is weakening us as a nation, and will make us less powerful in the near future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Crummy schools have had trillions dumped into them over the last 40 years. People do not change. Whether it’s culture or genetics, I don’t know. What I do know is that the needle NEVER moves. All the so called improvements are fake, the result of cheating, data juking and other manipulating schemes. And we need stop painting inner city teachers and admins as selfless saints. The most unqualified POS six-figure admins I’ve ever dealt with were inner city admins.

I worked in one of those schools. The problem was not the teachers or the admin or the curriculum or the students. The problem was poverty, which schools don't cause and can't solve alone. No amount of money put into a school for anything at all is going to help a kid who goes home to a crack house every day, who is abused, hungry, whose mom leaves him locked out of the house all night while she has "clients" in, and so on. All that really happens and it happens right here in Northern Virginia. That's why the needle doesn't move. It's people that need money, not schools.

Exactly. And that so many folks are ready to blame the kids for their situation says all you need to know about the people throwing stones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that personal responsibility is now viewed as a conservative viewpoint is so sad (I truly don't mean that to be argumentative). We now have a large segment of our society that not only believe that it is ok for the government to be more responsible for the health and well being of their families, but that society OWES them support in all aspects of their lives.

"Personal responsibility" became a conservative viewpoint because the people who push a "personal responsibility" viewpoint largely ignore the system-wide issues of racism and class segregation that make it very difficult if not impossible for impoverished people to "pull themselves up by their boot straps" and take "personal responsibility" for their situation. The reality is that people who are born into generational poverty and live in economically decimated communities do not bear responsibility for those conditions, nor are they able, as individuals, to overcome decades of marginalization.

Society does not "OWE" anyone support in all areas of life, but public education is a right that all children have in this country. So yes, people feel entitled to support in education. Please listen to episode 2 of this podcast for description of what "separate but equal" schools were like, and if you still do not understand why personal responsibility is inadequate to address the magnitude of the problem, maybe you should go back to school yourself.

And to be clear, when racist "conservatives" talk about "personal responsibility" in the context of public elementary schools, they're largely talking about grade school children needing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that personal responsibility is now viewed as a conservative viewpoint is so sad (I truly don't mean that to be argumentative). We now have a large segment of our society that not only believe that it is ok for the government to be more responsible for the health and well being of their families, but that society OWES them support in all aspects of their lives.

"Personal responsibility" became a conservative viewpoint because the people who push a "personal responsibility" viewpoint largely ignore the system-wide issues of racism and class segregation that make it very difficult if not impossible for impoverished people to "pull themselves up by their boot straps" and take "personal responsibility" for their situation. The reality is that people who are born into generational poverty and live in economically decimated communities do not bear responsibility for those conditions, nor are they able, as individuals, to overcome decades of marginalization.

Society does not "OWE" anyone support in all areas of life, but public education is a right that all children have in this country. So yes, people feel entitled to support in education. Please listen to episode 2 of this podcast for description of what "separate but equal" schools were like, and if you still do not understand why personal responsibility is inadequate to address the magnitude of the problem, maybe you should go back to school yourself.

This right here is bullsh*t. Somehow Asian immigrants can break out of poverty in a single generation. Why can't blacks? The answer is that they do not recognize education as the vehicle of change and support it at home.

I'm curious if you've given any thought what it even means to "break out of poverty in a single generation" because it's a pretty incoherent phrase in this context.

[Anonymous]

Go listen to today's episode about Success Academy...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go listen to today's episode about Success Academy...

This series needs about 1000 more episodes to even begin to grapple with the scope of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go listen to today's episode about Success Academy...

God what a depressing closing: "White parents have opted in; they can just as easily opt out."

I'm currently living through a scenario straight out of NWP, and so none of this is new or surprising in the least. In fact, before even listening to this podcast, I'm leaning towards the the conclusion that sending my middle-class white kid to a majority poor, majority-minority public school isn't good for my kid, and is either neutral or negative impact on the school and the poor students. (I hate to even say this, and absolutely would not without the anonymity of DCUM.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crummy schools have had trillions dumped into them over the last 40 years. People do not change. Whether it’s culture or genetics, I don’t know. What I do know is that the needle NEVER moves. All the so called improvements are fake, the result of cheating, data juking and other manipulating schemes. And we need stop painting inner city teachers and admins as selfless saints. The most unqualified POS six-figure admins I’ve ever dealt with were inner city admins.

I worked in one of those schools. The problem was not the teachers or the admin or the curriculum or the students. The problem was poverty, which schools don't cause and can't solve alone. No amount of money put into a school for anything at all is going to help a kid who goes home to a crack house every day, who is abused, hungry, whose mom leaves him locked out of the house all night while she has "clients" in, and so on. All that really happens and it happens right here in Northern Virginia. That's why the needle doesn't move. It's people that need money, not schools.

Oy vey, every poor kid has a crack addicted mom turning tricks in the house? You have issues. Poor in the US is actually fairly comfortable. Why does everyone have to exaggerate and make countless excuses?

Furthermore, if we buy your premise that most of these kids have drug addicted parents and parents engaging in such insane conduct, HOW IN THE WORLD can you blame smart parents for fleeing (flight) such schools? I'll be darned if I let my child anywhere near such people.

This isn't for PP--who appears to be a proudly ignorant piece of shit--but for anyone else reading: about 50% of all DCPS students are categorized as at-risk. And schools with high at-risk percentages tend to be very high, which means at-risk populations are concentrated in particular schools which make the matter worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go listen to today's episode about Success Academy...

It wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement of Success Academy.

She talks about some of the success they've achieved but then puts a huge asterisk next to that success.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go listen to today's episode about Success Academy...

It wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement of Success Academy.

She talks about some of the success they've achieved but then puts a huge asterisk next to that success.

Also, it's important to understand that, when it comes to charters, Success Academy and KIPP are *exactly* what many, many black working class families want. And very much *not* what most white middle-class families want.

[Anonymous]

The latest episode ended on a positive note, hinting at progress to be reported in the next installment.

[Anonymous]

No good deed goes unpunished in this world.

Hearing about these folks out-woke each other is just priceless.