Overrated schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Miami (FL): Not a bad school, but not worth paying anywhere near full price. Most students from the northeast who didn’t get into an elite school, but are too proud to go to a SUNY.

At least in Miami, there is a decent chance that you’ll be able to find a sugar daddy Latin American “businessman” to subsidize your lifestyle and take you out in the Biscayne Bay on his yacht.

I’d add Syracuse and GW (for non polisci/IR majors)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what is overrated is overspending. There are a few schools that may distinguish graduates for life as being especially bright. The top tier there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton. There are a few that are below that, bit still differentiating. But below those relatively few schools, the differences between say 18 and 29 or so really don't make much difference (for someone who could have been admitted to both) during a lifetime, so people should focus on finances and fit.

No school - not even Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Columbia - are worth $100,000 in student loans.

IMO those schools can be worth $100,000 in student loans given that the student is capable, is not aiming for medical/law/business school immediately after college, and is aiming for the top investment banking, consulting, or tech jobs and willing to spend several years of their 20's paying back those loans while everyone else is living it up.

No undergraduate degree is worth $100,000 in student loans.

My DC graduated from a CTCL school a couple of years ago, and is making six figures in the tech industry. No student loans, either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what is overrated is overspending. There are a few schools that may distinguish graduates for life as being especially bright. The top tier there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton. There are a few that are below that, bit still differentiating. But below those relatively few schools, the differences between say 18 and 29 or so really don't make much difference (for someone who could have been admitted to both) during a lifetime, so people should focus on finances and fit.

No school - not even Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Columbia - are worth $100,000 in student loans.

IMO those schools can be worth $100,000 in student loans given that the student is capable, is not aiming for medical/law/business school immediately after college, and is aiming for the top investment banking, consulting, or tech jobs and willing to spend several years of their 20's paying back those loans while everyone else is living it up.

No undergraduate degree is worth $100,000 in student loans.

My DC graduated from a CTCL school a couple of years ago, and is making six figures in the tech industry. No student loans, either.

If you are rich enough to not get any aid from HYPSM you may need take out loans to go (if you didn’t save) but not $100k in loans...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For state schools, it depends on whether you are paying out-of-state tuition. Almost no state school is worth paying full out-of-state tuition for undergrad.

XYZ State University is usually a good deal if you are in-state, depending on the state.

Disagree. Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC and UT are worth it. We’re paying OOS for one of these and it’s totally worth it.

If you’ve got the money, sure. Paying full OOS can be 3-4x the cost of in-state. To be fair, if you live in a state like PA or New Hampshire, where the in state tuition is almost as expensive as some states’ OOS, it might be worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Miami (FL): Not a bad school, but not worth paying anywhere near full price. Most students from the northeast who didn’t get into an elite school, but are too proud to go to a SUNY.

At least in Miami, there is a decent chance that you’ll be able to find a sugar daddy Latin American “businessman” to subsidize your lifestyle and take you out in the Biscayne Bay on his yacht.

I’d add Syracuse and GW (for non polisci/IR majors)

People shit all over GW here so i don;t know why you would say it is overrated. It is more or less properly rated I would say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For state schools, it depends on whether you are paying out-of-state tuition. Almost no state school is worth paying full out-of-state tuition for undergrad.

XYZ State University is usually a good deal if you are in-state, depending on the state.

Disagree. Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC and UT are worth it. We’re paying OOS for one of these and it’s totally worth it.

UNC , HAHAHAHA no. Grad schools do not care, law schools do not care, medical schools do not care...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For state schools, it depends on whether you are paying out-of-state tuition. Almost no state school is worth paying full out-of-state tuition for undergrad.

XYZ State University is usually a good deal if you are in-state, depending on the state.

Disagree. Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC and UT are worth it. We’re paying OOS for one of these and it’s totally worth it.

UNC , HAHAHAHA no. Grad schools do not care, law schools do not care, medical schools do not care...

DP. Not sure where PP mentioned grad school.

[Anonymous]

I think this thread would be more interesting if there is a comparison and contrast between 2 or more schools, overrated and underrated.

For example,

If student’s dream school is Harvard,
apply to Williams, Amherst.

If student’s dream school is Columbia with its Core,
consider St. John’s College.

If student’s dream school is MIT,
consider Harvey Mudd, Olin, Georgia Institute of Tech

If dream is Yale,
consider Vassar

If Dartmouth,
then Colgate, CMC

If JHU,
U of Washington, U of Pitt

If U of Notre Dame,
Fordham

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[Anonymous]

UPenn,

Trump U.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this thread would be more interesting if there is a comparison and contrast between 2 or more schools, overrated and underrated.

For example,

If student’s dream school is Harvard,
apply to Williams, Amherst.

If student’s dream school is Columbia with its Core,
consider St. John’s College.

If student’s dream school is MIT,
consider Harvey Mudd, Olin, Georgia Institute of Tech

If dream is Yale,
consider Vassar

If Dartmouth,
then Colgate, CMC

If JHU,
U of Washington, U of Pitt

If U of Notre Dame,
Fordham

.
.
.

That doesn’t necessarily seem like a comparison between overrated and underrated (although Harvard is surely overrated for undergraduate education), but instead an identification of somewhat similar, but less selective, schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this thread would be more interesting if there is a comparison and contrast between 2 or more schools, overrated and underrated.

For example,

If student’s dream school is Harvard,
apply to Williams, Amherst.

If student’s dream school is Columbia with its Core,
consider St. John’s College.

If student’s dream school is MIT,
consider Harvey Mudd, Olin, Georgia Institute of Tech

If dream is Yale,
consider Vassar

If Dartmouth,
then Colgate, CMC

If JHU,
U of Washington, U of Pitt

If U of Notre Dame,
Fordham

.
.
.

That doesn’t necessarily seem like a comparison between overrated and underrated (although Harvard is surely overrated for undergraduate education), but instead an identification of somewhat similar, but less selective, schools.

This will be more informative. There’s no such thing as “overrated” or “underrated” all by itself. It’s always relative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, if colleges ranked 10 to 20 are overrated, with what would you replace them? You know, there are these things called cardinal numbers. If you can't think of any to replace them, how could they possibly be overrated?

The point is once you’re outside the top 10 or so, nobody really cares. Splitting hairs about 13 vs 25 vs 37 vs 41 is totally unimportant except to insecure status-obsessed strivers. 10-20 and 20-30 and ... 60-70 all offer fine opportunities. But nothing outside of the top 10 or so is a lottery ticket or IMMEDIATELY impresses the s*** out of everyone — read: it’s not signaling anything near what tiger crazies seem to think about their genetics, parenting or status. Lastly, once you’re outside of the top 10, the colleges are full of many just flat out normal kids who will work normal careers for normal money.

And 1-10 schools? Tell us.

Ivies
MIT
Stanford
Duke (maybe)

Outside of those schools, the prestige, name rec, and gaining entry to some any elite club (lottery ticket!) falls off a cliff. Nobody really gives a flying f*** about Emory, WashU, Rice, Northwestern, Hopkins or even UChicago. In their own regions, sure, people are familiar with them and your kid will have opportunities. But even then, you think all the former Big Ten state school frat and sorority bros who run Chicago deeply respect UChicago? You think all the UT, A&M and SMU good ole boys in Dallas are deeply impressed by Rice? No, they’re not.

You're trying to convince us of something that isn't true. If the Big ten students weren't impressed by the aforementioned schools they shouldn't have applied which they most likely did and didn't get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this thread would be more interesting if there is a comparison and contrast between 2 or more schools, overrated and underrated.

For example,

If student’s dream school is Harvard,
apply to Williams, Amherst.

If student’s dream school is Columbia with its Core,
consider St. John’s College.

If student’s dream school is MIT,
consider Harvey Mudd, Olin, Georgia Institute of Tech

If dream is Yale,
consider Vassar

If Dartmouth,
then Colgate, CMC

If JHU,
U of Washington, U of Pitt

If U of Notre Dame,
Fordham

.
.
.

That doesn’t necessarily seem like a comparison between overrated and underrated (although Harvard is surely overrated for undergraduate education), but instead an identification of somewhat similar, but less selective, schools.

I found the previous post helpful and insightful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think what is overrated is overspending. There are a few schools that may distinguish graduates for life as being especially bright. The top tier there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton. There are a few that are below that, bit still differentiating. But below those relatively few schools, the differences between say 18 and 29 or so really don't make much difference (for someone who could have been admitted to both) during a lifetime, so people should focus on finances and fit.

No school - not even Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Columbia - are worth $100,000 in student loans.

IMO those schools can be worth $100,000 in student loans given that the student is capable, is not aiming for medical/law/business school immediately after college, and is aiming for the top investment banking, consulting, or tech jobs and willing to spend several years of their 20's paying back those loans while everyone else is living it up.

No undergraduate degree is worth $100,000 in student loans.

My DC graduated from a CTCL school a couple of years ago, and is making six figures in the tech industry. No student loans, either.

If you are rich enough to not get any aid from HYPSM you may need take out loans to go (if you didn’t save) but not $100k in loans...

What is your point?

No undergraduate degree is worth $100,000 in student loans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what is overrated is overspending. There are a few schools that may distinguish graduates for life as being especially bright. The top tier there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton. There are a few that are below that, bit still differentiating. But below those relatively few schools, the differences between say 18 and 29 or so really don't make much difference (for someone who could have been admitted to both) during a lifetime, so people should focus on finances and fit.

No school - not even Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Columbia - are worth $100,000 in student loans.

IMO those schools can be worth $100,000 in student loans given that the student is capable, is not aiming for medical/law/business school immediately after college, and is aiming for the top investment banking, consulting, or tech jobs and willing to spend several years of their 20's paying back those loans while everyone else is living it up.

No undergraduate degree is worth $100,000 in student loans.

My DC graduated from a CTCL school a couple of years ago, and is making six figures in the tech industry. No student loans, either.

If you are rich enough to not get any aid from HYPSM you may need take out loans to go (if you didn’t save) but not $100k in loans...

What is your point?

No undergraduate degree is worth $100,000 in student loans.

While I MIGHT agree with you, let’s be clear that is YOUR opinion and not objective.