Superbowl halftime - scantily dressed women and very covered up men

[Anonymous]

This is interesting. I'm a late 40's anglo woman. My feminist 13 year old was a little appalled, but I was sort of like "It's Miami...." I do think it went a little too far in the pole dance direction, but I think they both look great and I liked the music. (I didn't realize Shakira is herself 43 -- I thought she was much younger than I am!) The male dancers did great but had really dumb outfits. Loved the PR flag, and the Born in the USA mashup (but hope they got the OK from the Boss).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love the comments from the sound engineer. And if you go back and listen/watch when Hips Don't Lie comes on and Shakira is in the mosh pit it sure sounded live. I have no problem with them having the vocals in there so that they can do all the dance moves required for a show like this. But I think Shakira was actually singing for lots of her set.

I'm early 50s, professional, attend Mass regularly, and Mexican American. I LOVED Shakira's performance. Didn't see anything at all inappropriately sexual about her part. This afternoon I was dancing around the kitchen to Shakira's music as I prepped food for the upcoming week. My teen son just rolls his eyes and isn't weirded out by the fact that I can move my hips and everything else. He's been to enough family weddings and other events where everyone (all ages and body types) is dancing to Latin music, which involves lots of hip shaking. Every now and then he'll actually ask for dance tips because he's figured out that girls like boys who can dance. Shakira is an outstanding vocalist and a fantastic dancer. It takes years of work to be able to do those belly dancing moves. She's got Lebanese heritage so it's cool to see her integrate that into her stage persona. It certainly has helped her to stand out among other Latina performers over the years. I just love her playfulness and that she makes it all look so fun and easy. That is what is sexy about her. She could be wearing a St. John or Brooks Brothers suit and she'd still ooze sexiness.

As for Shakira's outfit, it provided more coverage than what I wear when paddle boarding or windsurfing and I weigh at least 35 pounds more than her these days! Seriously, her skirt was longer than the "Swim Mini" that I got from Land's End last summer. The top she was wearing had more fabric than most yoga tops I see around DC, and it even had fringe that extended down to cover most of her mid-section.

I'm not a J Lo fan but her performance was exactly what I expected. I thought the pole dance was a dumb concept, but I was impressed with her execution of the moves. She's never had much of a voice, so I'm not sure why anyone would have expected more.

And for those who think the Super Bowl is for kids and is supposed to be family friendly, do you also take your kids to the casino?! It's about as grown man-oriented as anything gets. There's a reason that it's got a huge human trafficking and domestic violence problem. Nothing there for little girls or boys. Now, I find it problematic that our US culture puts such a high priority on a pro football game, and I would prefer that we didn't. But that doesn't change the fact that this was never designed to be a family event.

Casinos don’t give back financially and promote physical programs for children. They actually give money to schools in the cities they host. They don’t bring kids to wear jerseys and meet the players. The NFL promotes itself as a family brand. But then after they get the kids hooked. Show violent gun video games and sex on is commercials. It’s inconsistent with his message.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I LOVE PR FLAG.

FYI PR IS PART OF THE USA

The flag is was awesome. So was the performance.

PR is a dump.

Colombia is the bomb, as are Colombianas.

The US is rapidly becoming a shithole (to borrow a phrase from our president), it’s not surprising Puerto Rico is crumbling along with the rest of the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Is nobody going to mention how hot the male backup dancers were?!?! And all the cute little Latina girls? Of course, the mainly Brown and Black women dancers were on fire!

Too gay for my taste. My 11 year old boy pointed them out before he ran away from JLo’s dancing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I LOVE PR FLAG.

FYI PR IS PART OF THE USA

The flag is was awesome. So was the performance.

PR is a dump.

Colombia is the bomb, as are Colombianas.

The US is rapidly becoming a shithole (to borrow a phrase from our president), it’s not surprising Puerto Rico is crumbling along with the rest of the US.

I love the U.S. But it all depends on where you live and what you have access to.

[Anonymous]

Well, we have finally made it Ladies. Our pay checks may not be equal. Title 9 is still a fight. But, by gosh, we have have this lauded halftime show. A celebrated burlesque performance on prime time tv. WIN!

[Anonymous]

None of this is important.

The President of the US doesn’t know where Kanas City is located.

Way more important than what the entertainment was wearing at half time.

[Anonymous]

Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

I dunno. I loved the show. My 8yo daughter watched it—she’s a gymnast who can shimmy to the top of a rope, so she had some idea how physically difficult it is to do what JLo did.

I truly think this thread reflects some WW pearl clutching at JLo’s performance. I think they are disturbed by a curvy non-white woman gyrating, tbh. I thought overall it was great. And great that my brown daughter 1st gen daughter could see this performance by Latinas as representative of the future America, a multicultural America.

I found the show racist. They put two women of color on stage and had them dance like strippers. Would they have white women dancing like that? Lady Gaga didn’t dance like that. The sad truth is that they had to wear less clothing and dance like that because they are minorities. And people are more accepting of it because they are minorities.

Sad but hilarious you think it’s a good thing your first grader watched two minorities disrespect themselves on national tv for white producers.

Shakira is Lebanese / Spanish / Italian. “Of color”? Compared to Lady Gaga? (Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta)

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

I dunno. I loved the show. My 8yo daughter watched it—she’s a gymnast who can shimmy to the top of a rope, so she had some idea how physically difficult it is to do what JLo did.

I truly think this thread reflects some WW pearl clutching at JLo’s performance. I think they are disturbed by a curvy non-white woman gyrating, tbh. I thought overall it was great. And great that my brown daughter 1st gen daughter could see this performance by Latinas as representative of the future America, a multicultural America.

I found the show racist. They put two women of color on stage and had them dance like strippers. Would they have white women dancing like that? Lady Gaga didn’t dance like that. The sad truth is that they had to wear less clothing and dance like that because they are minorities. And people are more accepting of it because they are minorities.

Sad but hilarious you think it’s a good thing your first grader watched two minorities disrespect themselves on national tv for white producers.

Shakira is Lebanese / Spanish / Italian. “Of color”? Compared to Lady Gaga? (Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta)

And JLo and Shakira (like all SB halftime stars) perform for free, for publicity.

[Anonymous]

How can these performers continue to present themselves in such an overtly sexual way - and not think they are contributing to sexual abuse. Along with our young men watching women grab their crotches, open their legs and shake their behinds and then getting punished because they made a sexual comment to a young woman . It is so disappointing that they cannot connect the dots . Jennifer Lopez was a HUGE diss appointment. Hope her daughter wasn’t watching.

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Anonymous wrote:None of this is important.

The President of the US doesn’t know where Kanas City is located.

Way more important than what the entertainment was wearing at half time.

This.
I don't bother watching the Superbowl or the half time show, but I do know which state the Kansas City Chiefs represent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is nobody going to mention how hot the male backup dancers were?!?! And all the cute little Latina girls? Of course, the mainly Brown and Black women dancers were on fire!

Too gay for my taste. My 11 year old boy pointed them out before he ran away from JLo’s dancing.

LOL very clever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

Oh stop. Of course they can wear what they want and take the critique that comes with it. Much of what they do well was completely overshadowed by the choices they made in order to entertain millions of men with their bodies. They knew that they awere doing. The goal si get and keep viewers and get talked about. They accomplished that.

If a male performer got up there in a speedo, rubbed his crotch, gyrated, did lots of chippendale moves, and generally over sexualized a musical performance, I would feel the exact same way. It would also be a choice I would criticize and it would also accomplish the goal of getting people talking. Since women aren't as physically oriented, it might not keep women watching.