Arlington DA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand how full DA works....5 teams. It's not hard.

Red becomes DA. Blue becomes Red. White becomes Blue, etc. Dont replace the bottom color team and boom..just like before...BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE....there is actually less teams than before....2 to be exact.

DA practices 4x a week, other teams 3. Do the math numbskull.

Ok. Let me use my fingers.

U13-U19 ( 7 Red teams)

7 Red teams x 3 practices =21practices a week

Now condense those teams into 5 DA teams

5 DA teams x 4 practices = 20 practices a week

Net loss of one practice. (-1)

Now, I don't know if there is an ASA Red U19 team. If there isnt, then it's a net gain of 2 practices. I would not consider that a drain on resources.

Not bad math for a numbskull, eh

The problem in your math is that the players in the lower age group of dual aged DA teams will not be at some other club and will be playing in Arlington. So, you have to add 2 more teams × 3 non-DA practices a week. The fields are crowded and getting more crowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't have kids in Arlington. The 3rd practice in your math is a massive Monday skills clusterf#ck. DA teams are not crammed into that format. You are a fool to be on here claiming full DA will lessen the demand on field space. It's laughable.

Nothing changes if you move every team up and DONT replace that bottom team.

That's what I'm saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand how full DA works....5 teams. It's not hard.

Red becomes DA. Blue becomes Red. White becomes Blue, etc. Dont replace the bottom color team and boom..just like before...BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE....there is actually less teams than before....2 to be exact.

DA practices 4x a week, other teams 3. Do the math numbskull.

The 4th practice was Sunday morning at 9:00 at Williamsburg.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just dont understand this conversation at all.


2019: 04/03 will make up the U16/U17
2020: 03/02 will make up the U18/U19

So...by 2020, Arlington will be a full DA.

US Soccer will not pull in the 03s next year just to throw them out in 2020.

My 2 cents.

It kinda happens all the time on the boys side when the younger half of the combined age groups are basically kicked out for a year just to get back in the following year when they are on the older side of the combinedage groups.

This is opposite of that. I'm not from Arlington. I have no dog in this fight.... but Arlington will have full DA by 2020.

So four new teams in 2 years minimum (boys and girls da) maybe six (if they create U16 DA too) that practice 4 times a week and demand premium field space. Wouldn’t want to be on U10 blue team! Arlington should have had Amazon build soccer fields.

It is the opposite because of the ages of the kids affected but the end result is the same in regards to kids being displaced for a season. That is the point.

[Anonymous]

From U15-U19 there are now 13 teams
U15 - 4 teams
U16 - 3 teams
U17 - 3 teams
U18 - 2 teams
U19 - 1 teams

As DA progresses, assuming hte same general distribution U16-U17 will go down to 5 teams between the two age groups from 6.

Currently the 6 teams practice 3X/week for 18 practices accounting for 27 hours of field space.

Dropping down to 5 teams, 4 of those teams will practice 3x/week totaling 18 hours of practice time per week. The DA team will practice 4x/week for a total of 6 hours/week. The combined hours of field space for the two age groups will have actuall dropped 3 hours per week for the two age groups.

And lets not forget the toll that HS soccer will take on these age groups in the spring for the non-DA teams who will cut back on the needed hours pretty drastically anyway.

[Anonymous]

With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.

With the combined age groups, even practicing 4x a week there is actually more field time available than it would be with the extra team at 3x practices per week. Those net gained field hours will trickle down to the log jam U13-U15 years and basically make DA a wash in regards to field space and time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.

For the sake of an honest conversation, let's stick to the facts. This is not a debate class.

5 teams x4 practices = 20 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

7 teams x 3 practices = 21 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.

For the sake of an honest conversation, let's stick to the facts. This is not a debate class.

5 teams x4 practices = 20 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

7 teams x 3 practices = 21 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

No, U13 - U19

With Full DA
5 teams 4x/week = 20 practices, 30 hours
16 teams 3x/week = 48 practices 72 hours
Total practices/week = 68
Total teams = 21
Total hours = 102/week

Without DA
Total Teams = 23
Total Practices/week = 69
Total Hours/week = 103

A full DA program will have robbed a grand total of 1 whole hour per week across all DA eligible age groups.

[Anonymous]

Aren't the DA teams comprised mostly of the former Red teams? And, don't they go down the # of 'color' teams as they age upwards? Isn't it just a net balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.

For the sake of an honest conversation, let's stick to the facts. This is not a debate class.

5 teams x4 practices = 20 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

7 teams x 3 practices = 21 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

No, U13 - U19

With Full DA
5 teams 4x/week = 20 practices, 30 hours
16 teams 3x/week = 48 practices 72 hours
Total practices/week = 68
Total teams = 21
Total hours = 102/week

Without DA
Total Teams = 23
Total Practices/week = 69
Total Hours/week = 103

A full DA program will have robbed a grand total of 1 whole hour per week across all DA eligible age groups.

No one is arguing the basic math, but I think your basic assumption about the number of teams is wrong, for a couple of reasons. First, why would Arlington drop a team in the combined age group? For next year we are talking 04-03, which will be the U16/17 age group in DA in the 2019-20 season. Currently, on the boys side Arlington has four 04 teams (DA + Red-Blue-White), and three 03 teams (Red-Blue-White). When they take the best of the 04DA and 03Red teams to make the 04/03 DA team, what happens to the rest of those players? Most of the ones who don't make the cut will be 04s, but the club won't want to lose them because they'll need them to move back up to the DA team during their U17 year. So they'll move them to 04 Red, push some Red to White, and some White to Blue. So you're saying on top of all this they're going to drop the Blue team entirely? Sorry but I just don't see any reason why they would do that. So at a minimum you would have 6 travel teams in the 04 and 03 age groups, the same number as there are U16 & U17 teams now.

The second factor you are missing is the number of players who will come or stay at Arlington just because of the DA. For example, the boys 04 team only has 3 of its 18 players who are actually from Arlington. If the 03s get DA status (again) next year, they will attract more players to the program. Beyond a doubt not all of the existing 03 Red players will make the 03/04 DA team. So what will they do if they have enough paying players to fill the DA plus Red-White-Blue travel teams next year? Turn them away? I don't think so. More likely they will end up with one U16-17 DA team, and then Red-White-Blue in both age groups.

A look at the existing age groups shows that the effect of the DA has been to add another team above and on top of the existing travel structure, rather than replace one. The boys U12s have DA + 5 travel teams. U13s are DA + 4. U14s and U15s are each DA + 3. They don't go down to 3 teams until after the DA ages. For the girls in the DA age groups (U13-U15) it is DA + 3, then it drops to 2 teams at the non-DA ages.

Bottom line is that getting DA status grows a travel program, it doesn't shrink it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren't the DA teams comprised mostly of the former Red teams? And, don't they go down the # of 'color' teams as they age upwards? Isn't it just a net balance.

No. See the post above.

DA attracts the best of the best. They are not just built from the existing club teams. Look here for an example of where these kids are coming from: http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401136.

Another factor not mentioned yet - the draw for Arlington DA will only get stronger next year when DCU moves to Leesburg. For a lot of DC and Southern MD kids, that commute is just too far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.

For the sake of an honest conversation, let's stick to the facts. This is not a debate class.

5 teams x4 practices = 20 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

7 teams x 3 practices = 21 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

No, U13 - U19

With Full DA
5 teams 4x/week = 20 practices, 30 hours
16 teams 3x/week = 48 practices 72 hours
Total practices/week = 68
Total teams = 21
Total hours = 102/week

Without DA
Total Teams = 23
Total Practices/week = 69
Total Hours/week = 103

A full DA program will have robbed a grand total of 1 whole hour per week across all DA eligible age groups.

No one is arguing the basic math, but I think your basic assumption about the number of teams is wrong, for a couple of reasons. First, why would Arlington drop a team in the combined age group? For next year we are talking 04-03, which will be the U16/17 age group in DA in the 2019-20 season. Currently, on the boys side Arlington has four 04 teams (DA + Red-Blue-White), and three 03 teams (Red-Blue-White). When they take the best of the 04DA and 03Red teams to make the 04/03 DA team, what happens to the rest of those players? Most of the ones who don't make the cut will be 04s, but the club won't want to lose them because they'll need them to move back up to the DA team during their U17 year. So they'll move them to 04 Red, push some Red to White, and some White to Blue. So you're saying on top of all this they're going to drop the Blue team entirely? Sorry but I just don't see any reason why they would do that. So at a minimum you would have 6 travel teams in the 04 and 03 age groups, the same number as there are U16 & U17 teams now.

The second factor you are missing is the number of players who will come or stay at Arlington just because of the DA. For example, the boys 04 team only has 3 of its 18 players who are actually from Arlington. If the 03s get DA status (again) next year, they will attract more players to the program. Beyond a doubt not all of the existing 03 Red players will make the 03/04 DA team. So what will they do if they have enough paying players to fill the DA plus Red-White-Blue travel teams next year? Turn them away? I don't think so. More likely they will end up with one U16-17 DA team, and then Red-White-Blue in both age groups.

A look at the existing age groups shows that the effect of the DA has been to add another team above and on top of the existing travel structure, rather than replace one. The boys U12s have DA + 5 travel teams. U13s are DA + 4. U14s and U15s are each DA + 3. They don't go down to 3 teams until after the DA ages. For the girls in the DA age groups (U13-U15) it is DA + 3, then it drops to 2 teams at the non-DA ages.

Bottom line is that getting DA status grows a travel program, it doesn't shrink it.

+1 You wrote it much better then PPs, but this math is the only math that counts.

[Anonymous]

That U10 Blue team will be on a 1/16th of a men's field when this is all said and done. The Amazon comment was a good one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.

For the sake of an honest conversation, let's stick to the facts. This is not a debate class.

5 teams x4 practices = 20 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

7 teams x 3 practices = 21 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

No, U13 - U19

With Full DA
5 teams 4x/week = 20 practices, 30 hours
16 teams 3x/week = 48 practices 72 hours
Total practices/week = 68
Total teams = 21
Total hours = 102/week

Without DA
Total Teams = 23
Total Practices/week = 69
Total Hours/week = 103

A full DA program will have robbed a grand total of 1 whole hour per week across all DA eligible age groups.

No one is arguing the basic math, but I think your basic assumption about the number of teams is wrong, for a couple of reasons. First, why would Arlington drop a team in the combined age group? For next year we are talking 04-03, which will be the U16/17 age group in DA in the 2019-20 season. Currently, on the boys side Arlington has four 04 teams (DA + Red-Blue-White), and three 03 teams (Red-Blue-White). When they take the best of the 04DA and 03Red teams to make the 04/03 DA team, what happens to the rest of those players? Most of the ones who don't make the cut will be 04s, but the club won't want to lose them because they'll need them to move back up to the DA team during their U17 year. So they'll move them to 04 Red, push some Red to White, and some White to Blue. So you're saying on top of all this they're going to drop the Blue team entirely? Sorry but I just don't see any reason why they would do that. So at a minimum you would have 6 travel teams in the 04 and 03 age groups, the same number as there are U16 & U17 teams now.

The second factor you are missing is the number of players who will come or stay at Arlington just because of the DA. For example, the boys 04 team only has 3 of its 18 players who are actually from Arlington. If the 03s get DA status (again) next year, they will attract more players to the program. Beyond a doubt not all of the existing 03 Red players will make the 03/04 DA team. So what will they do if they have enough paying players to fill the DA plus Red-White-Blue travel teams next year? Turn them away? I don't think so. More likely they will end up with one U16-17 DA team, and then Red-White-Blue in both age groups.

A look at the existing age groups shows that the effect of the DA has been to add another team above and on top of the existing travel structure, rather than replace one. The boys U12s have DA + 5 travel teams. U13s are DA + 4. U14s and U15s are each DA + 3. They don't go down to 3 teams until after the DA ages. For the girls in the DA age groups (U13-U15) it is DA + 3, then it drops to 2 teams at the non-DA ages.

Bottom line is that getting DA status grows a travel program, it doesn't shrink it.

A DA program attracts more talented players but it does not mean the actual number of teams will increase.