Kavanaugh vote postponed. Judiciary Committee hearing on Sexual Assault complain Monday.

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Anonymous wrote:Kavanaugh was the republican hack for years, now he wants to be a boy scout, playing the "I don't know that woman" game?

Why god is laughing at Brett Kavanaugh

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/17/kavanaugh-supreme-court-ford-sexual-assault-219983

Democratic motive on full display in that article.

Exactly what I was going to say.

So? The republicans blocked Obama's nominee for a year.

I see. The point of your statement is that it's ok to completely lie and destroy a man's reputation and potentially his family because....revenge.

I don't believe Ford is lying. Even the White House dares not call her a liar. Who the F are you to call her a liar?

Who the f are you to call Kavanaugh a liar? Because he has a penis, you can?

I also don't know if he is a liar, but he is sure a hypocrite. His approach to the Clinton investigation was gross, "blow by blow". So he should have no problem facing the music himself.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys. The hyperbole on this thread is absurd. He isn't being "convicted," "indicted," or "stoned to death." At most, he's just not getting a particularly prestigious job. Spare your tears.

Wrong. He is now an "attempted rapist" in the eyes of many - those of you who refuse to understand that this is a "he said / she said" situation. He is "guilty" in the court of public opinion, with absolutely no evidence and no trial.

I agree with this. Being honest, the pictures that have been posted of him with his high school friends, show a generic group of preppy white guys. So all these similar looking guys all go to a party, everyone is drinking including the girls, and I do think it’s possible that 30 years later either he doesn’t actually remember and neither does she. Clearly something happened but to say with certainty that it was him is too far fetched unless there was some other compelling reason - they were involved in a relationship at some point for example.

Another issue for me - I don’t want people’s actions when they were kids in high school used as a sole measure of their adult self . I think many, many people did things that were dumb , wrong or just plain bad when they were in high school. Things they might not want admit to now. I hate to think that we are now going to be judging people by their actions in high school and basically saying that a person can not and does not change from age 17 onward. If this situation is used now, it will be a standard that can be applied to other nominees for any office.

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I completely agree with this. Didn't Obama use cocaine and marijuana as a high school and college student? As did MANY current politicians and leaders. Adults are generally not the same as they were at 17. I know I'm not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/world/americas/24iht-dems.3272493.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BothSidesAllSides/story?id=2773754&page=1

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Was George Huguely III one of the other boys in the room with Kavanaugh? What's with these all-male prepsters?

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Anonymous wrote:I truly don’t understand the glee some PPs are showing in attacking Dr. Ford. It’s disturbing.

What about the glee some PPs are showing in attacking Judge Kavanaugh? Is that disturbing to you too?

You should read his work on Clinton. A total attack dog.

Seriously, karma can really be a bitch.

This is what I always say. Karma will get you.

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Anonymous wrote:Kavanaugh was the republican hack for years, now he wants to be a boy scout, playing the "I don't know that woman" game?

Why god is laughing at Brett Kavanaugh

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/17/kavanaugh-supreme-court-ford-sexual-assault-219983

Democratic motive on full display in that article.

Exactly what I was going to say.

So? The republicans blocked Obama's nominee for a year.

I see. The point of your statement is that it's ok to completely lie and destroy a man's reputation and potentially his family because....revenge.

I don't believe Ford is lying. Even the White House dares not call her a liar. Who the F are you to call her a liar?

DP. You've been insinuating that Kavanaugh is a liar. So one might ask, who the F are you?

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Anonymous wrote:Kavanaugh was the republican hack for years, now he wants to be a boy scout, playing the "I don't know that woman" game?

Why god is laughing at Brett Kavanaugh

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/17/kavanaugh-supreme-court-ford-sexual-assault-219983

Democratic motive on full display in that article.

Exactly what I was going to say.

So? The republicans blocked Obama's nominee for a year.

I see. The point of your statement is that it's ok to completely lie and destroy a man's reputation and potentially his family because....revenge.

I don't believe Ford is lying. Even the White House dares not call her a liar. Who the F are you to call her a liar?

Who the f are you to call Kavanaugh a liar? Because he has a penis, you can?

I also don't know if he is a liar, but he is sure a hypocrite. His approach to the Clinton investigation was gross, "blow by blow". So he should have no problem facing the music himself.

Seems Clinton should not have been sh*tting where he sleeps.

Seems like Kavanaugh wouldn't have this problem if he hadn't attempted to rape a 15 year old girl.

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Anonymous wrote:Kavanaugh was the republican hack for years, now he wants to be a boy scout, playing the "I don't know that woman" game?

Why god is laughing at Brett Kavanaugh

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/17/kavanaugh-supreme-court-ford-sexual-assault-219983

Democratic motive on full display in that article.

Exactly what I was going to say.

So? The republicans blocked Obama's nominee for a year.

I see. The point of your statement is that it's ok to completely lie and destroy a man's reputation and potentially his family because....revenge.

I don't believe Ford is lying. Even the White House dares not call her a liar. Who the F are you to call her a liar?

Who the f are you to call Kavanaugh a liar? Because he has a penis, you can?

I also don't know if he is a liar, but he is sure a hypocrite. His approach to the Clinton investigation was gross, "blow by blow". So he should have no problem facing the music himself.

Seems Clinton should not have been sh*tting where he sleeps.

If Kavanaugh has nothing to hide, he has nothing to worry about. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

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He'll withdraw later this week, continuing to deny the allegations but not wanting to put his wife and daughter through it. Trump can then nominate someone new almost immediately. Plenty of time to confirm someone before January (in unlikely event GOP loses the Senate)

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Honestly WHY would any woman put herself through this hell if she hadn't already been through worse. I mean, we're not talking about outing some guy your parents have over for Christmas parties. This could be a future judge on the highest court of the land, and he probably has tons of influential friends. I believe her.

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Anonymous wrote:This means the republicans are very confident about Kavanaugh't denial.

They may know the woman is lying.

Or that the public pressure/GOP-Dem pressure behind closed doors is more than it seems.

Or that they don't give a shit and know that no matter what comes out in any hearing, Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

I don't think that's right. If that was the case they would have pushed through the vote. This took them by surprise. I think some combination of Sasse, Corker, Flake, Murkowski and Collins threatened defection without a hearing and all red state Democrats said no yes without a hearing.

They're counting on her not being credible because this is really stupid if they have any intention of confirming K. A public testimony of this assault will only make it more difficult to confirm him. Watching a woman publicly verbally describe an assault will be worse than reading it.

I think they picked Monday because they think that's enough time to dig up dirt but honestly the Republicans are stupid. If they wanted to seal this up before midterms they should have either forced a vote this week or cut K loose and go for another nominee.

Republicans CAN’T cut K loose. Trump nominated him. Only Trump can pull the nomination. And TRump always, always, always, always fights back no matter what. They have to vote him down (pissed Trump base) or vote him forward (pissed women). It is lose-lose. Mitch McTurtle didn’t want K to begin with. Right now, he would do anything in his power to make him go away.

I think that there are quite a few R Senators who hope more women come forward and this nomination becomes untenable. Because they are cowards and don’t want to have to vote.

PP, you do not even have the most basic idea how government works. No one can make Trump withdraw Kavanaugh, but no one can make the Senate give him a vote.

McConnell wants, more than anything, to keep the Senate in Republican hands. If he senses that confirming Kavanaugh in the face of these allegations will turn off voters, he will simply not schedule a vote.

Without a vote, Kavanaugh would withdraw himself in order to regain some semblance of normal life.

Kavanaugh will never again have any semblance of a normal life; nor will his family. This allegation - whether true or false - has instantly turned him into a pariah.

Many high profile types recently ousted by MeToo allegations are slowly creeping back into the spotlight. Even if Kavanaugh doesn’t get confirmed, he will likely retain his current position, feel a little local heat, then be back to normal.

If your daughters were friends with his, would you let them sleep over? Get a ride from him? It's just gross.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't even tell his name to the therapist.

This story just does not ring true.

Would you believe it if there were pics? No, I didn't think so. Because you think women are dirt.

Also why you're so eager to confirm a man hell-bent on repealing women's reproductive rights.

DP. You sound truly unhinged. If I told you your husband did something similar to me when I was 15 and he was 17, would you believe me? Without any evidence at all, just my word against his? Didn't think so.

Here's the thing. You assume that others are just as blindly partisan as you, and act accordingly. Well, some of us are not.

Here's the thing. I'm a moderate - or an independent, take your pick. I actually don't care if Kavanaugh is confirmed or not. What I *do* care about are people being accused of something without any evidence to back up the accusation. I do care about innocent men being accused of assault without any proof - just one person's accusation. I have no idea if Kavanaugh is innocent or guilty - and neither do you. I just want to make sure that people can't be indicted based on one person's word, and nothing else. Otherwise, be prepared to one day be accused of something and have absolutely no recourse, even if the accusation is false.

DP. I agree with this but will add, perhaps inarticulately, that what makes situations like this harder is that the situation is different to different people. Ford may truly believe whatever happened (if anything) was "sexual assault" or "attempted rape." Someone else may have thought it was a drunk grope in the dark. Yes, I know that means that men and boys should always ask permission and follow the rules and be respectful. But human, physical, hormonally charged, interactions (that often involve alcohol) aren't so black and white.

Seriously? Seriously? Putting your hand over her mouth while she's writhing and screaming is a drunken grope?

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) misogyny is alive and well in this country and B) victims of sexual assault are incredibly brave to speak out against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this woman and attempted to discredit her is really gross.

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Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) feelings of jealousy and hatred of men are alive and well by many on this thread and B) victims of sexual assault accusations (not convictions) are incredibly brave to try to defend themselves against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this man (Kavanaugh) and attempted to discredit and convict him via one woman's accusations of attempted rape and suffocation after 30+ years is really gross.

So in your mind, women (and men) who defend the accuser’s right to be heard and not summarily dismissed and/or savaged and discredited equates to people who are jealous and hate men?

Okie dokie.

NOPE. Not what I said. I'm saying that I don't think the accused should be "savaged and discredited" either. And, yes, there have been a lot of DCUM posts on Kavanaugh threads that describe men--and Kavanaugh, in particular-- in an incredibly vile and negative way.

This may be news to you, but putting aside the sexual assault allegations, Kavanaugh has consistently treated women as second class citizens in his opinions. Most women don’t appreciate that. Shocking, I know.

PP here. A person's reputation, which can vary depending on the political, religious, cultural, etc. perspective of others, shouldn't be the determining factor re turning an accusation into a conviction by public opinion.

He is not getting convicted of anything. His suitability for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important jobs in the country is being determined. Character and perception counts. But even if he is found unworthy, he still has his current prestigious lifetime appointment and his girls' basketball team. Not a bad consolation prize for what could have been a life-changing mistake for him.

So you think he's innocent? No, you don't. You've convicted him of being guilty and not worthy of the appointment.

I think we've heard enough to say that he isn't a suitable candidate for a Supreme Court judge. Period. Not only are character and perception important for this position, as PP said. But there's a reason why we look for candidates that don't have skeletons in their closet. The integrity of our institutions hangs on whether this person can be blackmailed.

I mean, look at Trump. Does Putin have something on him? I don't know, but that scene in Helsinki was mighty odd if he doesn't.

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Hopefully, the daughters and basketball team won't be present for any of the public hearings. I doubt we will be seeing any more smirks out of him.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly WHY would any woman put herself through this hell if she hadn't already been through worse. I mean, we're not talking about outing some guy your parents have over for Christmas parties. This could be a future judge on the highest court of the land, and he probably has tons of influential friends. I believe her.

+1 This will be about as pleasant for the accuser as being burned at the stake. Who among us has not made mistakes in life that some partisan GOP hack will use to suggest that there's no way she could possibly be telling the truth.

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The accusations are detailed and appalling. Christine Blasey Ford, now a psychology professor at Palo Alto University, says she was 15 years old on the night in question when a “highly inebriated” Brett Kavanaugh, then 17, pushed her into a bedroom, locked the door and turned on loud music to mask her cries for help. She says he climbed on top of her, held a hand over her mouth and tried to take her clothes off. “I feared he may inadvertently kill me,” Dr. Blasey wrote in a July letter for her congresswoman to pass along to Senator Dianne Feinstein.