why do people prefer AP schools to IB?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

Tried to come up with a list of the top public schools in the region:

AP: Whitman, Wootton, Churchill, Walter Johnson, Poolesville, Blair (magnet), Quince Orchard, Wilson, Yorktown, TJHSST, Langley, McLean, Madison, Woodson, Oakton, West Springfield, Lake Braddock, Chantilly, Centreville

IB: B-CC, Richard Montgomery (magnet), George Mason, Washington-Lee, Marshall, Robinson

It does seem like there are far more highly regarded AP schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

I actually don't think there's a large outflow. If anything, I think people in the surrounding areas choose it.

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

With that, you'd expect to see a large outflow and a loss of AAP students from Robinson. And while you might, you also see other high achieving students pupil placing for IB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

I think you mean IB schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

Tried to come up with a list of the top public schools in the region:

AP: Whitman, Wootton, Churchill, Walter Johnson, Poolesville, Blair (magnet), Quince Orchard, Wilson, Yorktown, TJHSST, Langley, McLean, Madison, Woodson, Oakton, West Springfield, Lake Braddock, Chantilly, Centreville

IB: B-CC, Richard Montgomery (magnet), George Mason, Washington-Lee, Marshall, Robinson

It does seem like there are far more highly regarded AP schools.

Congrats, you can count. What exactly do you think it proves?

I wish there was a way to have IB and AP available in each school. A lot of IB students would benefit from taking a couple more advanced classes than the IB curriculum allows under the program guidelines. I have heard from several families that they are going after max college credit, and because the diploma only allows at most 4 HL courses, they went the certificate path but for 6 or 7 HL courses because the vast majority of colleges only give college credit for HL courses. I think that's a bit insane but that is them using IB like one would use AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

I think you mean IB schools.

Technically, yes, the high school is the IB school, but they are incorporating some aspects of IB into the middle schools. And if you want to be fair, it would be better for everyone in the pyramid to have a say in whether or not the top of the pyramid has AP or IB since they are supposed to matriculate through to the high school. You have to be aware that some folks would vote to keep the program they did not like so that they could later use that to transfer their student out of the school (a devious motivation). Still, wouldn't it be nice if the School Board would allow the families within the pyramids to have a say?

And for several of the high schools, the outflow of transfers caused by the AP-IB choice is quite substantial and usually removes high performing students. Thus, one of the reasons we have high schools moving in opposite directions of each other within the county. It is not just about transfers, people already living within certain pyramids (those pyramids folks on here like to debase because of their low Great School ratings) will go to great expense and trouble to move locally to avoid low-rated high schools. And newcomers are told to steer clear of those same schools. Result - those schools have more and more trouble and have little chance of improving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

I think you mean IB schools.

Technically, yes, the high school is the IB school, but they are incorporating some aspects of IB into the middle schools. And if you want to be fair, it would be better for everyone in the pyramid to have a say in whether or not the top of the pyramid has AP or IB since they are supposed to matriculate through to the high school. You have to be aware that some folks would vote to keep the program they did not like so that they could later use that to transfer their student out of the school (a devious motivation). Still, wouldn't it be nice if the School Board would allow the families within the pyramids to have a say?

And for several of the high schools, the outflow of transfers caused by the AP-IB choice is quite substantial and usually removes high performing students. Thus, one of the reasons we have high schools moving in opposite directions of each other within the county. It is not just about transfers, people already living within certain pyramids (those pyramids folks on here like to debase because of their low Great School ratings) will go to great expense and trouble to move locally to avoid low-rated high schools. And newcomers are told to steer clear of those same schools. Result - those schools have more and more trouble and have little chance of improving.

The outflows from IB schools would be higher still if some of the AP schools weren't now capping, or closed to, transfers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

I actually don't think there's a large outflow. If anything, I think people in the surrounding areas choose it.

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

With that, you'd expect to see a large outflow and a loss of AAP students from Robinson. And while you might, you also see other high achieving students pupil placing for IB.

It's interesting this common sense comment was ignored to continue bashing IB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 164 IB diploma candidates in the class of 2017 - that is hardly a handful, nor is it a "poor" school. You can't generalize about the FCPS IB program because every school is different, just like the schools that only offer AP classes. Some are better than others.

I wonder whether, given a choice today, parents of rising 9th graders zoned for Robinson would vote to retain IB or move back to AP. It seems like that might curtail the large number of pupil placements to Lake Braddock.

It would be interesting to see, if given a chance to vote or otherwise express a preference, how many of the IB pyramids would choose to stay IB and how many would choose to go back to AP.

I actually don't think there's a large outflow. If anything, I think people in the surrounding areas choose it.

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

With that, you'd expect to see a large outflow and a loss of AAP students from Robinson. And while you might, you also see other high achieving students pupil placing for IB.

It's interesting this common sense comment was ignored to continue bashing IB.

It seemed more wishful thinking than common sense.

[Anonymous]

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

Pretty sure that "staying with friends" is not a valid reason to PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

Pretty sure that "staying with friends" is not a valid reason to PP.

+1. Not to mention the parents have to arrange for transportation as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

Pretty sure that "staying with friends" is not a valid reason to PP.

+1. Not to mention the parents have to arrange for transportation as well.

Actually in the part of fcps where people aren't achievement crazy, I could see this happening. Sports and social stuff matters more in those parts to many.

[Anonymous]

Actually in the part of fcps where people aren't achievement crazy, I could see this happening. Sports and social stuff matters more in those parts to many.

Yes. Sometimes, they give social adjustment as a reason. DS had a friend who did that because the other school had a "better" team. Mom said he had social problems--it was kind of funny, because that absolutely was not true. He thought that being on a better team would ensure a D1 slot in college. It didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

Pretty sure that "staying with friends" is not a valid reason to PP.

+1. Not to mention the parents have to arrange for transportation as well.

Not true. Transportation is provided for split feeder AAP kids who want to continue with the MS AAP program but whose base school is Robo. lots of kids head to LB for MS and then are free to either head to Robinson for high school or can choose to continue at LB. I can actually speak from experience as my dc went to White Oaks for AAP from a Robo elementary school feeder. *** love when people comment with incorrect info just to feel relevant to a conversation and mirror another dimwit who doesn't have anything of value to add.

[Anonymous]

This thread is very enlightening. I posted earlier about my experience at IB in Florida. By the tone of the discussion in this thread, I probably wouldn't even be allowed to breath on the glass of the school. We are childless at the moment. I can't imagine how insufferable growing up here must be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One reason there is pupil placement isn't IB. It's the AAP program. Lake Braddock is the Center for Robinson feeders. A lot of kids choose to stay and pupil place to stay with friends and not change schools. That's the biggest reason people pupil place and there are posts by posters complaining about not having a middle school AAP option in that pyramid on this board.

Pretty sure that "staying with friends" is not a valid reason to PP.

+1. Not to mention the parents have to arrange for transportation as well.

Not true. Transportation is provided for split feeder AAP kids who want to continue with the MS AAP program but whose base school is Robo. lots of kids head to LB for MS and then are free to either head to Robinson for high school or can choose to continue at LB. I can actually speak from experience as my dc went to White Oaks for AAP from a Robo elementary school feeder. *** love when people comment with incorrect info just to feel relevant to a conversation and mirror another dimwit who doesn't have anything of value to add.

The thread isn't about MS AAP programs, and you know it, IB moron.