Cooper Middle School New AAP center

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^^ other threads in this forum in some off time. Ugghh autocorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^agreed. Really hard to exchange info or ideas on a topic with all of the AAP hater sniping!!

Here's the problem: people who post on this forum and specifically, this thread, feel strongly about AAP - whether pro or con. Anyone who has a child in FCPS has every right to express their opinion here. But if you're giving your side (pro) and I'm giving mine (con), then obviously we're not going to agree. You can't simply stomp your feet and tell people who are against AAP (or against its present implementation) to get lost. We have every right to express our thoughts too. I think most of us have done so as politely as possible, but when you and others who feel like you start calling us names, you'd better expect some of that nastiness to head back in your direction.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^agreed. Really hard to exchange info or ideas on a topic with all of the AAP hater sniping!!

I agree that we see a level of snark on this board that we wouldn't see if people had to identify themselves. However, I don't see the varying opinions as toddler, temper tantrums. If you want a message board where everyone will agree that centers are great and we should do all we can to encourage and grow AAP, then you should join the FCAG yahoo group. I hope this board always permits varied opinions.

Exactly. This is the point I was trying to get across as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads

Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.

That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.

You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.

You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.

When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.

A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.

Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.

I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?

Somewhere along the line you (or someone or some people in the AAP forum) moved from criticizing the school system and the AAP program to attacking the parents to personal attacks on elementry school kids. Does the fact you pay taxes make my 9 year old fair game? Because she's one of thousands of kids who's just going where Karen Garza and the school board send her. Does it give you license to personally attack me? I'm one of thousands of parents sending a child to her assigned base school-- which is also a Center. So no extra choice that you don't have, and no additional busing costs. And I certainly didn't design or implement AAP. And I didn't do your child's GBRS, or sit on the committee that rejected her AAP application. So why am I "evil", "selfish", " entitled", "arrogant", "nauseating"? Why is my child?

What might help is if you address the above to the poster who actually said all these things (?) about your child. Because it wasn't me, and I'm the PP. At any rate, you, or someone else from this forum, has repeatedly accused those of us with criticisms of AAP as throwing "constant temper tantrums" and keeping the "adults" from having a conversation. I am an adult and I am having a conversation - or trying to - with other adults. But because my views of AAP don't mesh with yours, apparently I'm having a temper tantrum. Honestly, after reading the above, the same might be said about you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads

Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.

That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.

You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.

You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.

When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.

A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.

Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.

I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?

Somewhere along the line you (or someone or some people in the AAP forum) moved from criticizing the school system and the AAP program to attacking the parents to personal attacks on elementry school kids. Does the fact you pay taxes make my 9 year old fair game? Because she's one of thousands of kids who's just going where Karen Garza and the school board send her. Does it give you license to personally attack me? I'm one of thousands of parents sending a child to her assigned base school-- which is also a Center. So no extra choice that you don't have, and no additional busing costs. And I certainly didn't design or implement AAP. And I didn't do your child's GBRS, or sit on the committee that rejected her AAP application. So why am I "evil", "selfish", " entitled", "arrogant", "nauseating"? Why is my child?

If either you or the people you're arguing with so virulently either (1) stayed on topic or (2) learned how to turn the other cheek, these threads wouldn't get so long and personal. Just a thought in case you want to try being an adult next time.

See, that's my point. I haven't been arguing with anyone. Just reading this thread and some of the other thread I. This forum I. some off time (no child at any of the schools at issue, so no dog in this fight) but am really struck by the "All AAP parent/kids . . . Insert nasty/ bitter/ snarky remark . . . And I hate them" remarks that seem come out of nowhere and turn every productive conversation nasty. There was one poster on a different thread talking about how s/he keeps track of AAP kids in high school so s/he can celebrate their failures, FFS. I get hating the program. I don't at all get hating (and attacking) every one of the thousands of kids in the program.

Regarding the bolded, why are you even on this particular thread if you don't have a child at any of the affected schools?? You're just cluttering things up even further.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads

Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.

That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.

You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.

You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.

When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.

A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.

Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.

I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?

Somewhere along the line you (or someone or some people in the AAP forum) moved from criticizing the school system and the AAP program to attacking the parents to personal attacks on elementry school kids. Does the fact you pay taxes make my 9 year old fair game? Because she's one of thousands of kids who's just going where Karen Garza and the school board send her. Does it give you license to personally attack me? I'm one of thousands of parents sending a child to her assigned base school-- which is also a Center. So no extra choice that you don't have, and no additional busing costs. And I certainly didn't design or implement AAP. And I didn't do your child's GBRS, or sit on the committee that rejected her AAP application. So why am I "evil", "selfish", " entitled", "arrogant", "nauseating"? Why is my child?

If either you or the people you're arguing with so virulently either (1) stayed on topic or (2) learned how to turn the other cheek, these threads wouldn't get so long and personal. Just a thought in case you want to try being an adult next time.

See, that's my point. I haven't been arguing with anyone. Just reading this thread and some of the other thread I. This forum I. some off time (no child at any of the schools at issue, so no dog in this fight) but am really struck by the "All AAP parent/kids . . . Insert nasty/ bitter/ snarky remark . . . And I hate them" remarks that seem come out of nowhere and turn every productive conversation nasty. There was one poster on a different thread talking about how s/he keeps track of AAP kids in high school so s/he can celebrate their failures, FFS. I get hating the program. I don't at all get hating (and attacking) every one of the thousands of kids in the program.

Regarding the bolded, why are you even on this particular thread if you don't have a child at any of the affected schools?? You're just cluttering things up even further.

Because the tone of this thread, and a couple of other active AAP threads is awful. As a parent and a taxpayer, you have strong feelings about Cooper vs Kilmer vs Longfellow. As a parent and a taxpayer, I am very concerned about the deep seated bitterness in this forum (which I do not see at DCs' schools).

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^It actually just sounds like you're a drama queen. It's impossible to tell whether those expressing themselves most forcefully have any connection to the three schools, or whether they are just latching onto it to argue in favor or against AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads

Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.

That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.

You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.

You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.

When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.

A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.

Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.

I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?

Somewhere along the line you (or someone or some people in the AAP forum) moved from criticizing the school system and the AAP program to attacking the parents to personal attacks on elementry school kids. Does the fact you pay taxes make my 9 year old fair game? Because she's one of thousands of kids who's just going where Karen Garza and the school board send her. Does it give you license to personally attack me? I'm one of thousands of parents sending a child to her assigned base school-- which is also a Center. So no extra choice that you don't have, and no additional busing costs. And I certainly didn't design or implement AAP. And I didn't do your child's GBRS, or sit on the committee that rejected her AAP application. So why am I "evil", "selfish", " entitled", "arrogant", "nauseating"? Why is my child?

If either you or the people you're arguing with so virulently either (1) stayed on topic or (2) learned how to turn the other cheek, these threads wouldn't get so long and personal. Just a thought in case you want to try being an adult next time.

See, that's my point. I haven't been arguing with anyone. Just reading this thread and some of the other thread I. This forum I. some off time (no child at any of the schools at issue, so no dog in this fight) but am really struck by the "All AAP parent/kids . . . Insert nasty/ bitter/ snarky remark . . . And I hate them" remarks that seem come out of nowhere and turn every productive conversation nasty. There was one poster on a different thread talking about how s/he keeps track of AAP kids in high school so s/he can celebrate their failures, FFS. I get hating the program. I don't at all get hating (and attacking) every one of the thousands of kids in the program.

Regarding the bolded, why are you even on this particular thread if you don't have a child at any of the affected schools?? You're just cluttering things up even further.

Because the tone of this thread, and a couple of other active AAP threads is awful. As a parent and a taxpayer, you have strong feelings about Cooper vs Kilmer vs Longfellow. As a parent and a taxpayer, I am very concerned about the deep seated bitterness in this forum (which I do not see at DCs' schools).

Do your children attend centers? Because if so, and if they are in AAP, then it's a given you're not going to hear from the parents of GE kids as to how they really feel about the center's dynamics. But trust me, they talk amongst themselves, just as AAP parents do. And all of this comes out on anonymous forums. Everything seems just fine to you because perhaps you don't have a child in GE. If you did, and knew other GE parents, then you might understand their perspective. As it is, you probably only hear from AAP parents about how happy they (and you) are.

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^^^^It might be at the attitude of SOME GE parents at our center but not all. I don't think it is something the GE parents think about every day. If so, that's pretty darn sad in my estimation.

I think what most are trying to say is that it would be nice if these threads could stay on topic instead of always derailing into name calling, bitterness toward the program in general, and resentments. That should be possible in one of the smartest, most educated, and wealthiest counties in the U.S.

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Anonymous wrote:^It actually just sounds like you're a drama queen. It's impossible to tell whether those expressing themselves most forcefully have any connection to the three schools, or whether they are just latching onto it to argue in favor or against AAP.

At its crux, this thread isn't really about AAP. It is about moving students in over crowded schools to their base school which is under enrolled. Posters on each side have been a mix of AAP boosters, detractors and neither.

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Anonymous wrote:^It actually just sounds like you're a drama queen. It's impossible to tell whether those expressing themselves most forcefully have any connection to the three schools, or whether they are just latching onto it to argue in favor or against AAP.

At its crux, this thread isn't really about AAP. It is about moving students in over crowded schools to their base school which is under enrolled. Posters on each side have been a mix of AAP boosters, detractors and neither.

IMO, it is about AAP. Without this bloated program, kids wouldn't have had a choice as to which school they attended to begin with. Cooper, Kilmer, and Longfellow students would all be attending their base school already, and none of this nonsense would even be an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:^It actually just sounds like you're a drama queen. It's impossible to tell whether those expressing themselves most forcefully have any connection to the three schools, or whether they are just latching onto it to argue in favor or against AAP.

At its crux, this thread isn't really about AAP. It is about moving students in over crowded schools to their base school which is under enrolled. Posters on each side have been a mix of AAP boosters, detractors and neither.

IMO, it is about AAP. Without this bloated program, kids wouldn't have had a choice as to which school they attended to begin with. Cooper, Kilmer, and Longfellow students would all be attending their base school already, and none of this nonsense would even be an issue.

IMO, it is not about AAP as a County-wide program, as other schools (not Cooper, Kilmer, or Longfellow) have less than 40 Center-eligible students per middle school grade level, and therefore there is not critical mass for a strong Level IV AAP Center, never mind a single schools Local Level IV program as currently exists at Cooper.

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Will cooper be getting any renovations?

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Anonymous wrote:Will cooper be getting any renovations?

Yes

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Anonymous wrote:Will cooper be getting any renovations?

Yes

The bulk of the renovation will occur in 6-7 years. The Langley AAP kids will have to go back to Cooper first.