Barcroft elementary/ south Arlington crisis

[Anonymous]

Oh my gosh! We have a crazy here folks! Whoa there girl! bring it down a level and a half. I'm not sure which is more entertaining - the bleeding heart liberal ( from further up thread) who can't be bothered with the repurcussions on schools and infrastructure - so long as every single person who feels entitled to live within 5 miles of the city center can have their way.
Or the flaming conservative - who I'm fairly certain had difficulty reading and understanding this thread.
Right now- the conservative has the lead, but it's early yet.

[Anonymous]

^ Or you- a liberal sock puppet who's mad that your policies are biting you in the ass! I'd say we have a winner!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ Or you- a liberal sock puppet who's mad that your policies are biting you in the ass! I'd say we have a winner!

Priceless. Thank you.
Just curious. Do you even live in Arlington?

[Anonymous]

Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people are an absolute joke. You cry cry cry about everything for every body on the government's dime (taxpayers' back). You encourage undocumented immigrants to come and actually reward them with services available to them no questions asked. You get exactly what that causes- overcrowding in schools and poverty confined to ghettoized apartments, which brings down the socioeconomics in that area. Then you're mad. Think long and hard about where you stand and then project that instead of a fake agenda, which you don't really want. Stop being NIMBY! If you don't want overcrowded schools and concentrated poverty than stop voting for policies that cause that very thing. Maybe now that your child's education is on the chopping block and it is in your backyard you'll back away from being a hypocrite. It's about time!

[phone]

I think you two are missing the point, which is that decisions affecting the south alone are being made by the richer and more populous north.

And why would that be a problem. Oh, because you're NIMBY! Just glad you're getting exactly what you asked for! If you order a Midori Sour at the bar, that's what the bartender will bring you. Sour grapes after the fact is just silly.

What are you talking about?

As for why it would be a problem, how about you give me all your passwords and info and I'll handle your finances for the next year. What could possibly go wrong for you?

Oh shut-up! Or better yet, explain what's wrong with poor kids in your hood cramming into your schools. Where else would you have them go? Of course, your not suggesting your kid deserves more than them. How does that jive with your political philosophy of all kids deserve the same thing, etc... Not so much, huh?! How you like them apples now, loser!

You are too funny! What's wrong w overcrowding is it reduces the quality of instruction.

Can't wait to see what names I get called for holding THAT radical idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

Oh, the I wan't my cake and it it too type. You guys are losers too! You're not reinventing the wheel, Mr. Millenial. You're just getting crushed by it! It's about time. Just love it when you cerebral rational fill-in-the-blank NIMBYs get egg in your face. While you're busy balancing being "heartless" with being "sound", etc... your school are getting jam-packed. It'll take a few generations perhaps, but eventually basic common sense will persevere. You can't absorb more and more human bodies without the resources to fully fund them. At some point you have to acknowledge this isn't working and the resources are there. The human bodies in need are going to have to stop consuming without compensating for that and start producing. When you don't have that feedback mechanism, you start to stress the infrastructure. That's what we have here. What we also have here is the experience in socialism that you said you wanted. How you like it now, mutha!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

I'm the "old" Millennial, who has been here about 10 years. I think pragmatic is the right word. Many of us grew up with an idea that some things should be genuinely available to all, though I know plenty of my peers who skew conservative and would agree with that poster on some points. However, even with that pragmatism, realizing that there was an inherent risk in living in southern Arlington, I thought that we were on the verge of something greater. A diverse community on the rise - a rise for ALL - and instead, it does seem like the county is bent on leaving us behind (cancelling the streetcar, failing to recognize educational needs). I've said this before: I think that any discussion about the quality of schooling in southern Arlington benefits everyone, even those who can't be table table due to access, citizenship, etc. "Crazy pants" is not scaring me off. But I am enjoying the rant. I wish that person could make a more nuanced and informed argument, with facts, as I would be interested in that angle, if it were ground in evidence and not just the same old screed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

Oh, the I wan't my cake and it it too type. You guys are losers too! You're not reinventing the wheel, Mr. Millenial. You're just getting crushed by it! It's about time. Just love it when you cerebral rational fill-in-the-blank NIMBYs get egg in your face. While you're busy balancing being "heartless" with being "sound", etc... your school are getting jam-packed. It'll take a few generations perhaps, but eventually basic common sense will persevere. You can't absorb more and more human bodies without the resources to fully fund them. At some point you have to acknowledge this isn't working and the resources are there. The human bodies in need are going to have to stop consuming without compensating for that and start producing. When you don't have that feedback mechanism, you start to stress the infrastructure. That's what we have here. What we also have here is the experience in socialism that you said you wanted. How you like it now, mutha!

You do understand that is the argument being made right? Our specific area can't absorb all of the affordable housing the county has planned. That is in a nutshell what we are saying.
Did you perhaps attend an overcrowded school? Because if you did you are illustrating our point beautifully about how detrimental it can be to child's education, and how lasting those effects are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

I'm the "old" Millennial, who has been here about 10 years. I think pragmatic is the right word. Many of us grew up with an idea that some things should be genuinely available to all, though I know plenty of my peers who skew conservative and would agree with that poster on some points. However, even with that pragmatism, realizing that there was an inherent risk in living in southern Arlington, I thought that we were on the verge of something greater. A diverse community on the rise - a rise for ALL - and instead, it does seem like the county is bent on leaving us behind (cancelling the streetcar, failing to recognize educational needs). I've said this before: I think that any discussion about the quality of schooling in southern Arlington benefits everyone, even those who can't be table table due to access, citizenship, etc. "Crazy pants" is not scaring me off. But I am enjoying the rant. I wish that person could make a more nuanced and informed argument, with facts, as I would be interested in that angle, if it were ground in evidence and not just the same old screed.

Crazy pants is dancing a jig!!!! You're talking out of both sides of your mouth- education for all. Then, the "problem" of education for all. Which one do you want, Mrs. Damsel in Distress. It's that hypocritical thinking that's ruining the schools. Why would you continue to have that same viewpoint when it's not getting you anywhere. Oh, because you're a brainwashed lib.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are an absolute joke. You cry cry cry about everything for every body on the government's dime (taxpayers' back). You encourage undocumented immigrants to come and actually reward them with services available to them no questions asked. You get exactly what that causes- overcrowding in schools and poverty confined to ghettoized apartments, which brings down the socioeconomics in that area. Then you're mad. Think long and hard about where you stand and then project that instead of a fake agenda, which you don't really want. Stop being NIMBY! If you don't want overcrowded schools and concentrated poverty than stop voting for policies that cause that very thing. Maybe now that your child's education is on the chopping block and it is in your backyard you'll back away from being a hypocrite. It's about time!

[phone]

I think you two are missing the point, which is that decisions affecting the south alone are being made by the richer and more populous north.

No your missing the point. That is exactly what the poster is saying.

At the fed and state level, you need to stop voting for liberals who support such policies.

On the local level, if you live in south arl and you keep voting for all those people running for offices in the north arl, then you get the result the poster explained. If you want to change, then you need to start nominating and voting for those who are not liberal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

I'm the "old" Millennial, who has been here about 10 years. I think pragmatic is the right word. Many of us grew up with an idea that some things should be genuinely available to all, though I know plenty of my peers who skew conservative and would agree with that poster on some points. However, even with that pragmatism, realizing that there was an inherent risk in living in southern Arlington, I thought that we were on the verge of something greater. A diverse community on the rise - a rise for ALL - and instead, it does seem like the county is bent on leaving us behind (cancelling the streetcar, failing to recognize educational needs). I've said this before: I think that any discussion about the quality of schooling in southern Arlington benefits everyone, even those who can't be table table due to access, citizenship, etc. "Crazy pants" is not scaring me off. But I am enjoying the rant. I wish that person could make a more nuanced and informed argument, with facts, as I would be interested in that angle, if it were ground in evidence and not just the same old screed.

Crazy pants is dancing a jig!!!! You're talking out of both sides of your mouth- education for all. Then, the "problem" of education for all. Which one do you want, Mrs. Damsel in Distress. It's that hypocritical thinking that's ruining the schools. Why would you continue to have that same viewpoint when it's not getting you anywhere. Oh, because you're a brainwashed lib.

What would you do? Can you explain it? Or should we just run away? What is the problem with the same, high quality education for all? How does that ruin a school? That viewpoint has gotten me pretty far in life, thus far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

Oh, the I wan't my cake and it it too type. You guys are losers too! You're not reinventing the wheel, Mr. Millenial. You're just getting crushed by it! It's about time. Just love it when you cerebral rational fill-in-the-blank NIMBYs get egg in your face. While you're busy balancing being "heartless" with being "sound", etc... your school are getting jam-packed. It'll take a few generations perhaps, but eventually basic common sense will persevere. You can't absorb more and more human bodies without the resources to fully fund them. At some point you have to acknowledge this isn't working and the resources are there. The human bodies in need are going to have to stop consuming without compensating for that and start producing. When you don't have that feedback mechanism, you start to stress the infrastructure. That's what we have here. What we also have here is the experience in socialism that you said you wanted. How you like it now, mutha!

You do understand that is the argument being made right? Our specific area can't absorb all of the affordable housing the county has planned. That is in a nutshell what we are saying.
Did you perhaps attend an overcrowded school? Because if you did you are illustrating our point beautifully about how detrimental it can be to child's education, and how lasting those effects are.

You're so dense it's getting beyond ridiculous. Once affordable housing is spread out, as you think it needs to be, it's going to crush those areas as well. The population growth at its current rate simply cannot be sustained on the current coffers. If N. Arlington was opened up to the disadvantaged, it wouldn't be long before the education system up there suffered as well. It's your short-sightedness that has created this problem. And now your children stand to lose. I just feel sorry for your kids. They'll likely be as uninformed and as ideological as you, accept they won't likely have the luxury. The chickens will have come home to roost by then. Your children will be dealing with economic disaster that resulted from your unsustainable policies. Not my kids though!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters here could live on Mars. The end result is the same. Liberals are mad they're getting what they asked for. Instead of having sour grapes now, you should probably think through exactly what you say you stand for.

I think there have been some very informed and reasoned arguments on this thread. There's been some crazies ^^^ but I think for the most part people here see the problems and are looking a for a solution. Crazy pants conservative poster can't honestly be blaming the problems of south Arlington on Millenials, surely? Most of us have been here way less that 10 years. We haven't had the time to impact much. I haven't seen much bleeding heart liberalism from that group. Most seem pretty pragmatic without being completely heartless. Not so myopic that we can't see the end result of current policy, but not so ideologically bone headed that we would throw out any sort of social safety net.

I'm the "old" Millennial, who has been here about 10 years. I think pragmatic is the right word. Many of us grew up with an idea that some things should be genuinely available to all, though I know plenty of my peers who skew conservative and would agree with that poster on some points. However, even with that pragmatism, realizing that there was an inherent risk in living in southern Arlington, I thought that we were on the verge of something greater. A diverse community on the rise - a rise for ALL - and instead, it does seem like the county is bent on leaving us behind (cancelling the streetcar, failing to recognize educational needs). I've said this before: I think that any discussion about the quality of schooling in southern Arlington benefits everyone, even those who can't be table table due to access, citizenship, etc. "Crazy pants" is not scaring me off. But I am enjoying the rant. I wish that person could make a more nuanced and informed argument, with facts, as I would be interested in that angle, if it were ground in evidence and not just the same old screed.

Crazy pants is dancing a jig!!!! You're talking out of both sides of your mouth- education for all. Then, the "problem" of education for all. Which one do you want, Mrs. Damsel in Distress. It's that hypocritical thinking that's ruining the schools. Why would you continue to have that same viewpoint when it's not getting you anywhere. Oh, because you're a brainwashed lib.

What would you do? Can you explain it? Or should we just run away? What is the problem with the same, high quality education for all? How does that ruin a school? That viewpoint has gotten me pretty far in life, thus far.

Really? Is this really a real post? Lady, do yourself a favor and read the thread. This is a discussion about how overcrowding is negatively impacting south Arlington schools. I'm not sure you understand basic English, but I'll try to explain. Because of the overcrowding there is not an equal education for all. There's a watered down curriculum that's becoming mediocre at best because teachers are overwhelmed trying to meet the needs of disadvantaged largely ESL kids to the detriment of middle class Arlingtonians families. Does this help? Geesh!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are an absolute joke. You cry cry cry about everything for every body on the government's dime (taxpayers' back). You encourage undocumented immigrants to come and actually reward them with services available to them no questions asked. You get exactly what that causes- overcrowding in schools and poverty confined to ghettoized apartments, which brings down the socioeconomics in that area. Then you're mad. Think long and hard about where you stand and then project that instead of a fake agenda, which you don't really want. Stop being NIMBY! If you don't want overcrowded schools and concentrated poverty than stop voting for policies that cause that very thing. Maybe now that your child's education is on the chopping block and it is in your backyard you'll back away from being a hypocrite. It's about time!

[phone]

I think you two are missing the point, which is that decisions affecting the south alone are being made by the richer and more populous north.

No your missing the point. That is exactly what the poster is saying.

At the fed and state level, you need to stop voting for liberals who support such policies.

On the local level, if you live in south arl and you keep voting for all those people running for offices in the north arl, then you get the result the poster explained. If you want to change, then you need to start nominating and voting for those who are not liberal.

I'm a S Arl resident who voted for Vihstadt. The county thought I was voting against the streetcar when what I actually wanted is more accountability around the project. What I learned is that voting is a shitty instrument for expressing oneself. Hence OP's OP about community involvement.

As for "such policies" do any parties support the concentration of poverty these days?