Why is there such a racial/ethnic disconnect with TJ Admissions?

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Is admissions based on the ability to determine meritocracy or testocracy?

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Perhaps his recommendations were not good, or he was overlooked for other issues. He should reapply next year. I know a white kid, who was ranked in the top 5 in the state who didn't get in as a freshman as was in sophomore year and soon the head of the math club. it's all about persistence, sometimes. I doubt it's about ethnicity.

Good grief. Virtually no black and Hispanic students get into TJ and someone is all hot and bothered because a single Asian kid got turned down? Get a grip.

Apparently you only see the race of the student and not the student himself. Maybe that kind of mentality is what led to the kid being rejected. I think you actually helped prove the point of the quoted article.

I don't think so, as the salient point is that many black and Hispanic students rejected or discouraged from applying to TJ may have had as much aptitude and been even more interested in TJ. But go ahead and obsess over a single Asian kid.

If you know of black/Hispanic applicants who qualified for AIME and rejected by TJ, maybe you can point them out. Make it easier, if you know of any black/Hispanic kid who qualified for AIME in middle school, please share that knowledge sine you have so much information on black and Hispanic kids rejected who "have had as much aptitude." As for being "more interested in TJ", I don't think one can adequately and objectively say one applicant is more interested or less interested. They are all interested in TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Is admissions based on the ability to determine meritocracy or testocracy?

Supposedly meritocracy since the applicant must submit longer essay, Student Information Sheet ( another set of 6 or 7 short essays), 2 teacher recommendations in addition to GPA and test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Is admissions based on the ability to determine meritocracy or testocracy?

Supposedly meritocracy since the applicant must submit longer essay, Student Information Sheet ( another set of 6 or 7 short essays), 2 teacher recommendations in addition to GPA and test scores.

What about ESL applicants?

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Anonymous wrote:Is admissions based on the ability to determine meritocracy or testocracy?

Supposedly meritocracy since the applicant must submit longer essay, Student Information Sheet ( another set of 6 or 7 short essays), 2 teacher recommendations in addition to GPA and test scores.

What about ESL applicants?

Too bad for ESL applicants. They are out of luck.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Perhaps his recommendations were not good, or he was overlooked for other issues. He should reapply next year. I know a white kid, who was ranked in the top 5 in the state who didn't get in as a freshman as was in sophomore year and soon the head of the math club. it's all about persistence, sometimes. I doubt it's about ethnicity.

Good grief. Virtually no black and Hispanic students get into TJ and someone is all hot and bothered because a single Asian kid got turned down? Get a grip.

Apparently you only see the race of the student and not the student himself. Maybe that kind of mentality is what led to the kid being rejected. I think you actually helped prove the point of the quoted article.

I don't think so, as the salient point is that many black and Hispanic students rejected or discouraged from applying to TJ may have had as much aptitude and been even more interested in TJ. But go ahead and obsess over a single Asian kid.

If you know of black/Hispanic applicants who qualified for AIME and rejected by TJ, maybe you can point them out. Make it easier, if you know of any black/Hispanic kid who qualified for AIME in middle school, please share that knowledge sine you have so much information on black and Hispanic kids rejected who "have had as much aptitude." As for being "more interested in TJ", I don't think one can adequately and objectively say one applicant is more interested or less interested. They are all interested in TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Perhaps his recommendations were not good, or he was overlooked for other issues. He should reapply next year. I know a white kid, who was ranked in the top 5 in the state who didn't get in as a freshman as was in sophomore year and soon the head of the math club. it's all about persistence, sometimes. I doubt it's about ethnicity.

Good grief. Virtually no black and Hispanic students get into TJ and someone is all hot and bothered because a single Asian kid got turned down? Get a grip.

Apparently you only see the race of the student and not the student himself. Maybe that kind of mentality is what led to the kid being rejected. I think you actually helped prove the point of the quoted article.

I don't think so, as the salient point is that many black and Hispanic students rejected or discouraged from applying to TJ may have had as much aptitude and been even more interested in TJ. But go ahead and obsess over a single Asian kid.

If you know of black/Hispanic applicants who qualified for AIME and rejected by TJ, maybe you can point them out. Make it easier, if you know of any black/Hispanic kid who qualified for AIME in middle school, please share that knowledge sine you have so much information on black and Hispanic kids rejected who "have had as much aptitude." As for being "more interested in TJ", I don't think one can adequately and objectively say one applicant is more interested or less interested. They are all interested in TJ.

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So artogant. No wonder applications to TJ are declining and some of the Asian students there are arrogant braggarts.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Perhaps his recommendations were not good, or he was overlooked for other issues. He should reapply next year. I know a white kid, who was ranked in the top 5 in the state who didn't get in as a freshman as was in sophomore year and soon the head of the math club. it's all about persistence, sometimes. I doubt it's about ethnicity.

Good grief. Virtually no black and Hispanic students get into TJ and someone is all hot and bothered because a single Asian kid got turned down? Get a grip.

Apparently you only see the race of the student and not the student himself. Maybe that kind of mentality is what led to the kid being rejected. I think you actually helped prove the point of the quoted article.

I don't think so, as the salient point is that many black and Hispanic students rejected or discouraged from applying to TJ may have had as much aptitude and been even more interested in TJ. But go ahead and obsess over a single Asian kid.

so you think they should switch to aptitude tests?
I know, rename it the Advanced Aptitude Program.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Perhaps his recommendations were not good, or he was overlooked for other issues. He should reapply next year. I know a white kid, who was ranked in the top 5 in the state who didn't get in as a freshman as was in sophomore year and soon the head of the math club. it's all about persistence, sometimes. I doubt it's about ethnicity.

Good grief. Virtually no black and Hispanic students get into TJ and someone is all hot and bothered because a single Asian kid got turned down? Get a grip.

Apparently you only see the race of the student and not the student himself. Maybe that kind of mentality is what led to the kid being rejected. I think you actually helped prove the point of the quoted article.

I don't think so, as the salient point is that many black and Hispanic students rejected or discouraged from applying to TJ may have had as much aptitude and been even more interested in TJ. But go ahead and obsess over a single Asian kid.

If you know of black/Hispanic applicants who qualified for AIME and rejected by TJ, maybe you can point them out. Make it easier, if you know of any black/Hispanic kid who qualified for AIME in middle school, please share that knowledge sine you have so much information on black and Hispanic kids rejected who "have had as much aptitude." As for being "more interested in TJ", I don't think one can adequately and objectively say one applicant is more interested or less interested. They are all interested in TJ.

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So artogant. No wonder applications to TJ are declining and some of the Asian students there are arrogant braggarts.

You are the one with reading comprehension problem and you can't even spell arrogance properly. PP is the one obsessed about the race of the applicant and making statements he/she can't back up. Anybody that disagrees with you and you can't respond in an intelligent manner is "artogant." Pathetic. No wonder our education system is going down the toilet. You think only Asians are braggarts? Braggarts come in all shapes and sizes.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Perhaps his recommendations were not good, or he was overlooked for other issues. He should reapply next year. I know a white kid, who was ranked in the top 5 in the state who didn't get in as a freshman as was in sophomore year and soon the head of the math club. it's all about persistence, sometimes. I doubt it's about ethnicity.

Good grief. Virtually no black and Hispanic students get into TJ and someone is all hot and bothered because a single Asian kid got turned down? Get a grip.

Apparently you only see the race of the student and not the student himself. Maybe that kind of mentality is what led to the kid being rejected. I think you actually helped prove the point of the quoted article.

I don't think so, as the salient point is that many black and Hispanic students rejected or discouraged from applying to TJ may have had as much aptitude and been even more interested in TJ. But go ahead and obsess over a single Asian kid.

so you think they should switch to aptitude tests?
I know, rename it the Advanced Aptitude Program.

That wouldn't change a thing; might even make it worse.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Ugh... More BS anecdotes to prove something that is statically shown to not be the case. Not everyone gets in, regardless of ethnicity. Just because they didn't get in AND they were Asian, doesn't mean it was BECAUSE they are Asian. Correlation does not suggest causation.

The kids may be lacking in many other variables. Every year there is a handful of 'math whiz' kids that don't get in. And again, acceptance is not ONLY based on math and science GPA or test scores or both.

I promise they're were many 'other exceptional non-Asian students at Kilmer, Rocky Run, etc' that also didn't get in. And I guess to beat a dead horse, not ever 'exceptional' child is actually exceptional, in fact my definition, most kids aren't exceptional - so there are a bunch of parents that are either blind, in denial or liars.

"The American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) is a 3-hour integer answer contest. Students will qualify for the AIME and can participate in the AIME only if they score 120 or above or finish in the top 2.5% of the AMC 10, or if a student scores 100 or above or finishes in the top 5% of the AMC 12. The AIME is administered in schools in March." Less than 0.1% of 8th graders qualify for AIME.

Ugh the stupid, it hurts!

1) the TJ test is before the AMC 12 or AMC 10 qualifier
2) the Last TJ admissions process deadline is just after the AMC, so the only way the kid can include that king of recognition in the app is through a teacher reference, assuming they made the first cut and went into the TJ semi-finalist pool.
3) the reason why so few (and in your estimation 0.1%) of 8th graders qualify for aime isn't necessarily due to brilliance, but much more likely the fact that they are 8th graders....the qualifying tests for AIME are designed for sophmores - seniors in high school. While still a significant distinction to qualify, the rarity does not necessarily illustrate a math genius, any number of alternative scenarios are possible.
4) almost all TJ test preppers also prep for AMC, so the short is, AMC is beatable just like most nonCAD tests (and even some CAD tests). The whole top5%/top2.5% ranking with AMC does not actually denote score distribution, it is an arbitrary estimate of placement within the entire U10th population

Again, you're trying to make a single case of rejection into an ethnic prejudice in TJ selection, when the actual acceptance statistics just don't bear that out. Grow up, the kid didn't get in. And his rejection has nothing to do with his Asian ethnic background.

My kid is a member of the TJ Varsity Math Team. He doesn't know and cannot recall ANY TJ students who qualified for AIME as a middle school student. Of the 480 incoming freshmen each year, there might be 1 who qualified for AIME as a middle school student.

That's because they don't generally take the AMC 10 or AMC 12 in middle school....not because they couldn't have qualified...again correlation doesn't suggest causation...

I don't think you have actually seen the math problems typically on AIME. They are extremely difficult problems. Way more difficult than AMC 12 and AMC 12 are considered very difficult too, especially the 2nd half. They will be difficult for almost all high school students and many college math majors as well. It's not that they (middle school students) choose not to take them, it's more that only very few middle school students would even qualify to take them.

Qualifying for aime has not taken a wild jump to giving kid credit for the rigor of the aime itself...this is going down the rabbit hole and hitting every root on the way down

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Anonymous wrote:^^ It is really bizarre to see criticism of Asian parents and how they raise their children given that many really excel in this country. I am not sure what the driving force is behind this sort of criticism.

It actually reminds me of reports about black children who are picked on by other black kids for being too focused on their studies etc except that in this case it seems to be some white parents who resent Asian children wanting to do well.

Boo hoo. Read this piece and reflect on the possibility that changes are also long overdue at TJ.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/opinion/new-york-citys-top-public-schools-need-diversity.html?_r=0

Another move to reward mediocrity. Hopefully, it will not happen in VA.

If the NAACP can file a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the admissions practices at Stuyvesant, it can surely do so at TJ. If anything, a Virginia school might be subject to greater scrutiny than one in NY.

Consider yourself on notice.

Its about time, in fact well overdue since the Asian population at TJ out weighs the Caucasian population of Fairfax county by a large margin.

While we are at it, how about we make the faculty and administrators equal the % of students there and make them 66%. Too much? How about make them equal to the Asian % of the county 16%. That's only fair right? I think currently Asian faculty/staff is about 2% so there is a lot of room for improvement. How about we make the county politicians representative of Asian population of the county as well and make it 16%. I think it's about 1% so much work is needed there as well. How about we make the % of county judges 16% since we are using the population %. I think there are 0% now so our work is cut out for us to make that 16% as well.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Ugh... More BS anecdotes to prove something that is statically shown to not be the case. Not everyone gets in, regardless of ethnicity. Just because they didn't get in AND they were Asian, doesn't mean it was BECAUSE they are Asian. Correlation does not suggest causation.

The kids may be lacking in many other variables. Every year there is a handful of 'math whiz' kids that don't get in. And again, acceptance is not ONLY based on math and science GPA or test scores or both.

I promise they're were many 'other exceptional non-Asian students at Kilmer, Rocky Run, etc' that also didn't get in. And I guess to beat a dead horse, not ever 'exceptional' child is actually exceptional, in fact my definition, most kids aren't exceptional - so there are a bunch of parents that are either blind, in denial or liars.

"The American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) is a 3-hour integer answer contest. Students will qualify for the AIME and can participate in the AIME only if they score 120 or above or finish in the top 2.5% of the AMC 10, or if a student scores 100 or above or finishes in the top 5% of the AMC 12. The AIME is administered in schools in March." Less than 0.1% of 8th graders qualify for AIME.

Ugh the stupid, it hurts!

1) the TJ test is before the AMC 12 or AMC 10 qualifier
2) the Last TJ admissions process deadline is just after the AMC, so the only way the kid can include that king of recognition in the app is through a teacher reference, assuming they made the first cut and went into the TJ semi-finalist pool.
3) the reason why so few (and in your estimation 0.1%) of 8th graders qualify for aime isn't necessarily due to brilliance, but much more likely the fact that they are 8th graders....the qualifying tests for AIME are designed for sophmores - seniors in high school. While still a significant distinction to qualify, the rarity does not necessarily illustrate a math genius, any number of alternative scenarios are possible.
4) almost all TJ test preppers also prep for AMC, so the short is, AMC is beatable just like most nonCAD tests (and even some CAD tests). The whole top5%/top2.5% ranking with AMC does not actually denote score distribution, it is an arbitrary estimate of placement within the entire U10th population

Again, you're trying to make a single case of rejection into an ethnic prejudice in TJ selection, when the actual acceptance statistics just don't bear that out. Grow up, the kid didn't get in. And his rejection has nothing to do with his Asian ethnic background.

My kid is a member of the TJ Varsity Math Team. He doesn't know and cannot recall ANY TJ students who qualified for AIME as a middle school student. Of the 480 incoming freshmen each year, there might be 1 who qualified for AIME as a middle school student.

That's because they don't generally take the AMC 10 or AMC 12 in middle school....not because they couldn't have qualified...again correlation doesn't suggest causation...

I don't think you have actually seen the math problems typically on AIME. They are extremely difficult problems. Way more difficult than AMC 12 and AMC 12 are considered very difficult too, especially the 2nd half. They will be difficult for almost all high school students and many college math majors as well. It's not that they (middle school students) choose not to take them, it's more that only very few middle school students would even qualify to take them.

Qualifying for aime has not taken a wild jump to giving kid credit for the rigor of the aime itself...this is going down the rabbit hole and hitting every root on the way down

The kid qualified to take the AIME because he did very well on the AMC 10 or AMC 12. That is what AIME qualifier is. What is odd about that? You cannot just take AIME because you want to. You have earn that right by performing very well on AMC.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Ugh... More BS anecdotes to prove something that is statically shown to not be the case. Not everyone gets in, regardless of ethnicity. Just because they didn't get in AND they were Asian, doesn't mean it was BECAUSE they are Asian. Correlation does not suggest causation.

The kids may be lacking in many other variables. Every year there is a handful of 'math whiz' kids that don't get in. And again, acceptance is not ONLY based on math and science GPA or test scores or both.

I promise they're were many 'other exceptional non-Asian students at Kilmer, Rocky Run, etc' that also didn't get in. And I guess to beat a dead horse, not ever 'exceptional' child is actually exceptional, in fact my definition, most kids aren't exceptional - so there are a bunch of parents that are either blind, in denial or liars.

"The American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) is a 3-hour integer answer contest. Students will qualify for the AIME and can participate in the AIME only if they score 120 or above or finish in the top 2.5% of the AMC 10, or if a student scores 100 or above or finishes in the top 5% of the AMC 12. The AIME is administered in schools in March." Less than 0.1% of 8th graders qualify for AIME.

Ugh the stupid, it hurts!

1) the TJ test is before the AMC 12 or AMC 10 qualifier
2) the Last TJ admissions process deadline is just after the AMC, so the only way the kid can include that king of recognition in the app is through a teacher reference, assuming they made the first cut and went into the TJ semi-finalist pool.
3) the reason why so few (and in your estimation 0.1%) of 8th graders qualify for aime isn't necessarily due to brilliance, but much more likely the fact that they are 8th graders....the qualifying tests for AIME are designed for sophmores - seniors in high school. While still a significant distinction to qualify, the rarity does not necessarily illustrate a math genius, any number of alternative scenarios are possible.
4) almost all TJ test preppers also prep for AMC, so the short is, AMC is beatable just like most nonCAD tests (and even some CAD tests). The whole top5%/top2.5% ranking with AMC does not actually denote score distribution, it is an arbitrary estimate of placement within the entire U10th population

Again, you're trying to make a single case of rejection into an ethnic prejudice in TJ selection, when the actual acceptance statistics just don't bear that out. Grow up, the kid didn't get in. And his rejection has nothing to do with his Asian ethnic background.

My kid is a member of the TJ Varsity Math Team. He doesn't know and cannot recall ANY TJ students who qualified for AIME as a middle school student. Of the 480 incoming freshmen each year, there might be 1 who qualified for AIME as a middle school student.

That's because they don't generally take the AMC 10 or AMC 12 in middle school....not because they couldn't have qualified...again correlation doesn't suggest causation...

I don't think you have actually seen the math problems typically on AIME. They are extremely difficult problems. Way more difficult than AMC 12 and AMC 12 are considered very difficult too, especially the 2nd half. They will be difficult for almost all high school students and many college math majors as well. It's not that they (middle school students) choose not to take them, it's more that only very few middle school students would even qualify to take them.

Qualifying for aime has not taken a wild jump to giving kid credit for the rigor of the aime itself...this is going down the rabbit hole and hitting every root on the way down

The kid qualified to take the AIME because he did very well on the AMC 10 or AMC 12. That is what AIME qualifier is. What is odd about that? You cannot just take AIME because you want to. You have earn that right by performing very well on AMC.

Right, pushing you agenda of claiming prejudice while using one Asian student, when the admissions statistics clearly show no such prejudice agains t Asians, has now gotten you to the point of justifying your pet 'victim' by giving them credit for the rigor of the aime test..qualifying to take the test is not the same as getting a perfect score - you're defensively conflating the student and the test.

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Anonymous wrote:"Now it appears that FCPS is attempting to keep down the number of Asians at TJ. The top math student at Kilmer AAP center was denied admission this year. He is ethnically Chinese and so brilliant at math that he was allowed to take the exclusive American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) open only to the top math high school students across the country. He qualified to take the AIME despite being only in the 8th grade. He has had a love for math that has been demonstrated throughout elementary and middle school. He is also a straight A student. This young man is not the only Asian to be denied admission to TJ this year. Other exceptional Asian students at Kilmer Middle school, Rocky Run Middle school, and other schools were also denied admission. It is difficult to find reasons for their rejections. They are outstanding students who have excelled in math and science."

Ugh... More BS anecdotes to prove something that is statically shown to not be the case. Not everyone gets in, regardless of ethnicity. Just because they didn't get in AND they were Asian, doesn't mean it was BECAUSE they are Asian. Correlation does not suggest causation.

The kids may be lacking in many other variables. Every year there is a handful of 'math whiz' kids that don't get in. And again, acceptance is not ONLY based on math and science GPA or test scores or both.

I promise they're were many 'other exceptional non-Asian students at Kilmer, Rocky Run, etc' that also didn't get in. And I guess to beat a dead horse, not ever 'exceptional' child is actually exceptional, in fact my definition, most kids aren't exceptional - so there are a bunch of parents that are either blind, in denial or liars.

"The American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) is a 3-hour integer answer contest. Students will qualify for the AIME and can participate in the AIME only if they score 120 or above or finish in the top 2.5% of the AMC 10, or if a student scores 100 or above or finishes in the top 5% of the AMC 12. The AIME is administered in schools in March." Less than 0.1% of 8th graders qualify for AIME.

Ugh the stupid, it hurts!

1) the TJ test is before the AMC 12 or AMC 10 qualifier
2) the Last TJ admissions process deadline is just after the AMC, so the only way the kid can include that king of recognition in the app is through a teacher reference, assuming they made the first cut and went into the TJ semi-finalist pool.
3) the reason why so few (and in your estimation 0.1%) of 8th graders qualify for aime isn't necessarily due to brilliance, but much more likely the fact that they are 8th graders....the qualifying tests for AIME are designed for sophmores - seniors in high school. While still a significant distinction to qualify, the rarity does not necessarily illustrate a math genius, any number of alternative scenarios are possible.
4) almost all TJ test preppers also prep for AMC, so the short is, AMC is beatable just like most nonCAD tests (and even some CAD tests). The whole top5%/top2.5% ranking with AMC does not actually denote score distribution, it is an arbitrary estimate of placement within the entire U10th population

Again, you're trying to make a single case of rejection into an ethnic prejudice in TJ selection, when the actual acceptance statistics just don't bear that out. Grow up, the kid didn't get in. And his rejection has nothing to do with his Asian ethnic background.

My kid is a member of the TJ Varsity Math Team. He doesn't know and cannot recall ANY TJ students who qualified for AIME as a middle school student. Of the 480 incoming freshmen each year, there might be 1 who qualified for AIME as a middle school student.

That's because they don't generally take the AMC 10 or AMC 12 in middle school....not because they couldn't have qualified...again correlation doesn't suggest causation...

I don't think you have actually seen the math problems typically on AIME. They are extremely difficult problems. Way more difficult than AMC 12 and AMC 12 are considered very difficult too, especially the 2nd half. They will be difficult for almost all high school students and many college math majors as well. It's not that they (middle school students) choose not to take them, it's more that only very few middle school students would even qualify to take them.

Qualifying for aime has not taken a wild jump to giving kid credit for the rigor of the aime itself...this is going down the rabbit hole and hitting every root on the way down

The kid qualified to take the AIME because he did very well on the AMC 10 or AMC 12. That is what AIME qualifier is. What is odd about that? You cannot just take AIME because you want to. You have earn that right by performing very well on AMC.

Right, pushing you agenda of claiming prejudice while using one Asian student, when the admissions statistics clearly show no such prejudice agains t Asians, has now gotten you to the point of justifying your pet 'victim' by giving them credit for the rigor of the aime test..qualifying to take the test is not the same as getting a perfect score - you're defensively conflating the student and the test.

Regardless of whether there are too many Asians or not, rejecting a clearly qualified applicant is wrong especially if the applicant appears to be more qualified than most admitted students. It has nothing to do with race of the applicant. Also, AIME qualifier is someone who does so well on AMC test that he/she is qualified to take the AIME test. Nothing confusing about that.