JLG vs McDuffie on public schools

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT has been pretty successful actually. But WTU hates it, so, of course, Janeese wants to get rid of it. Their wish is her command.

"And all of the rigorous research we have suggests that it worked basically as intended. The canonical studies on this issue — by teams from the University of Virginia, Stanford, and Brown — found that when teachers rated “ineffective” left schools, they tended to be replaced by better-performing educators, and students’ results improved. Even though some effective teachers exited too, turnover had an overall positive impact on achievement — suggesting the good of the policy outweighed the bad of any “instability” it created, as one DCPS report noted.

The same was true later years, after IMPACT underwent revisions that lessened its emphasis on test scores. What’s more, a separate paper found compelling evidence that the system was spurring educators who stayed in D.C. to improve their teaching skills. (Mathematica’s research also found that Fenty’s broader set of reforms, including IMPACT, bore fruit).

Nonetheless, nixing IMPACT has remained one of the teachers’ union’s major goals. Now it’s backing Lewis George, who has promised to deliver on it."

https://capitalcommonsense.substack.com/p/im-a-dcps-parent-janeese-lewis-georges?r=9c2s&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

I think this thread has actually been helpful for me. Maybe I'll go vote today and then can stop thinking about it.

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It goods that he agrees that DCPS needs to improve.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having a really hard time with this election, I have serious reservations about both of these candidates.

We are a family that put our kids in both DCPS and charter, and want robust, challenging classes and well-supported teachers.

Let's start a thread -- i would love to hear from people about their experiences with JLG and McDuffie on schools.

McDuffie is disqualified from being considered because BOTH of his kids were/are at GDS. So not just any private school but the most exclusive, expensive school in the area.

This. I am stuck on the GDS thing. How do you trust someone to lead DCPS that has abandoned our schools? Also how does a council member and a CSOSA employee pay for two kids to go to GDS?

With financial aid.

Also, whoever said that GDS is the most exclusive and expensive private school in DC - I think Sidwell wants a word with you. Ha!

That is crazy. Two well-paid professionals accepting charity to attend GDS. Is that what private schools do? I always assumed they help actually needy families.

I definitely know families with HHIs in the 200ks who get financial aid from GDS. this is very normal for the private school. You should apply!

+1, these schools aren't doing charity. They give financial aid to students they think will succeed at the schools. That usually means stable homes and educated parents. The vast majority of families can't afford GDS tuition, so it's a way to improve their diversity (of all kinds, including socioeconomic). But they aren't giving out prizes for the neediest families. GDS probably wouldn't serve a truly needy family well because they don't offer the services such a family would need, and it would be difficult for truly need kids to find a sense of belonging at a school where many families easily afford the huge sticker price.

And to teh kids of councilmen whose support and sway they might need.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having a really hard time with this election, I have serious reservations about both of these candidates.

We are a family that put our kids in both DCPS and charter, and want robust, challenging classes and well-supported teachers.

Let's start a thread -- i would love to hear from people about their experiences with JLG and McDuffie on schools.

McDuffie is disqualified from being considered because BOTH of his kids were/are at GDS. So not just any private school but the most exclusive, expensive school in the area.

This. I am stuck on the GDS thing. How do you trust someone to lead DCPS that has abandoned our schools? Also how does a council member and a CSOSA employee pay for two kids to go to GDS?

With financial aid.

Also, whoever said that GDS is the most exclusive and expensive private school in DC - I think Sidwell wants a word with you. Ha!

That is crazy. Two well-paid professionals accepting charity to attend GDS. Is that what private schools do? I always assumed they help actually needy families.

I definitely know families with HHIs in the 200ks who get financial aid from GDS. this is very normal for the private school. You should apply!

+1, these schools aren't doing charity. They give financial aid to students they think will succeed at the schools. That usually means stable homes and educated parents. The vast majority of families can't afford GDS tuition, so it's a way to improve their diversity (of all kinds, including socioeconomic). But they aren't giving out prizes for the neediest families. GDS probably wouldn't serve a truly needy family well because they don't offer the services such a family would need, and it would be difficult for truly need kids to find a sense of belonging at a school where many families easily afford the huge sticker price.

This is why a mayoral candidate who sends their kids to GDS should not be elected. He's seen the other side, and he said nope. Not my kids. How can he possibly understand anything outside of the crony type political world and its elite donors? If he does understand, he has spent a lot of money and his adult life trying to make sure his kids don't have any contact with it. Meanwhile, those of us at DCPS and charters are intentionally trying to ensure our kids have exposure to diversity of all sorts.

Janeese wants to cripple charter schools, reduce class time and put the teachers union in charge of the city's education policies. Given all of that, why the F should I care when McDuffie sends his kids to school?

[Anonymous]

Can PPs please cite actual sources for the following re: JLG?

- Will move to early dismissal Wednesdays
- Hates charters

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having a really hard time with this election, I have serious reservations about both of these candidates.

We are a family that put our kids in both DCPS and charter, and want robust, challenging classes and well-supported teachers.

Let's start a thread -- i would love to hear from people about their experiences with JLG and McDuffie on schools.

McDuffie is disqualified from being considered because BOTH of his kids were/are at GDS. So not just any private school but the most exclusive, expensive school in the area.

This. I am stuck on the GDS thing. How do you trust someone to lead DCPS that has abandoned our schools? Also how does a council member and a CSOSA employee pay for two kids to go to GDS?

With financial aid.

Also, whoever said that GDS is the most exclusive and expensive private school in DC - I think Sidwell wants a word with you. Ha!

That is crazy. Two well-paid professionals accepting charity to attend GDS. Is that what private schools do? I always assumed they help actually needy families.

I definitely know families with HHIs in the 200ks who get financial aid from GDS. this is very normal for the private school. You should apply!

+1, these schools aren't doing charity. They give financial aid to students they think will succeed at the schools. That usually means stable homes and educated parents. The vast majority of families can't afford GDS tuition, so it's a way to improve their diversity (of all kinds, including socioeconomic). But they aren't giving out prizes for the neediest families. GDS probably wouldn't serve a truly needy family well because they don't offer the services such a family would need, and it would be difficult for truly need kids to find a sense of belonging at a school where many families easily afford the huge sticker price.

This is why a mayoral candidate who sends their kids to GDS should not be elected. He's seen the other side, and he said nope. Not my kids. How can he possibly understand anything outside of the crony type political world and its elite donors? If he does understand, he has spent a lot of money and his adult life trying to make sure his kids don't have any contact with it. Meanwhile, those of us at DCPS and charters are intentionally trying to ensure our kids have exposure to diversity of all sorts.

Janeese wants to cripple charter schools, reduce class time and put the teachers union in charge of the city's education policies. Given all of that, why the F should I care when McDuffie sends his kids to school?

JLG's answer to every question about her education proposals is "but but but McDuffie's kids to PRIVATE SCHOOL!"

I DON'T CARE

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT has been pretty successful actually. But WTU hates it, so, of course, Janeese wants to get rid of it. Their wish is her command.

"And all of the rigorous research we have suggests that it worked basically as intended. The canonical studies on this issue — by teams from the University of Virginia, Stanford, and Brown — found that when teachers rated “ineffective” left schools, they tended to be replaced by better-performing educators, and students’ results improved. Even though some effective teachers exited too, turnover had an overall positive impact on achievement — suggesting the good of the policy outweighed the bad of any “instability” it created, as one DCPS report noted.

The same was true later years, after IMPACT underwent revisions that lessened its emphasis on test scores. What’s more, a separate paper found compelling evidence that the system was spurring educators who stayed in D.C. to improve their teaching skills. (Mathematica’s research also found that Fenty’s broader set of reforms, including IMPACT, bore fruit).

Nonetheless, nixing IMPACT has remained one of the teachers’ union’s major goals. Now it’s backing Lewis George, who has promised to deliver on it."

https://capitalcommonsense.substack.com/p/im-a-dcps-parent-janeese-lewis-georges?r=9c2s&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

I think this thread has actually been helpful for me. Maybe I'll go vote today and then can stop thinking about it.

Ah, so I guess racism is great to you. Gotcha. I guess making teachers miserable is ok to you.

Just say you hate teachers.


https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/page_content/attachments/American-University-School-of-Education-Report-for-DCPS_FINAL.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can PPs please cite actual sources for the following re: JLG?

- Will move to early dismissal Wednesdays
- Hates charters

Source: Their feelings.

[Anonymous]

McDuffie wasn’t just a parent - he was on the GDS board!

Disqualifying.

[Anonymous]

McDuffie has:


Serious conflicts of interest around sports betting oversight
• Campaign finance irregularities under active review
• Donor base that creates accountability problems
• A pattern of looking out for business interests over residents


This IS relevant, whether you want it to be or not.
It’s ok to post fake news about IMPACT and the WTU teachers but not REAL news about a candidate?

If IMPACT is working tell me about all the gains? Why are many 12th graders on a 1st grade reading level?

No teacher in their right might has said no evaluations, we want a replacement. Perhaps one like MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:McDuffie wasn’t just a parent - he was on the GDS board!

Disqualifying.

It's very annoying how JLG's campaign tries to hijack this thread by endlessly spamming us with this stuff. (Also, find a better message? I don't know who gives a crap about any of this).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:McDuffie has:


Serious conflicts of interest around sports betting oversight
• Campaign finance irregularities under active review
• Donor base that creates accountability problems
• A pattern of looking out for business interests over residents


This IS relevant, whether you want it to be or not.
It’s ok to post fake news about IMPACT and the WTU teachers but not REAL news about a candidate?

If IMPACT is working tell me about all the gains? Why are many 12th graders on a 1st grade reading level?

No teacher in their right might has said no evaluations, we want a replacement. Perhaps one like MCPS.

JLG gives millions of taxpayer dollars to her family and friends so they can pretend to be violence interrupters. What does that have to do with eduction though?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:McDuffie has:


Serious conflicts of interest around sports betting oversight
• Campaign finance irregularities under active review
• Donor base that creates accountability problems
• A pattern of looking out for business interests over residents


This IS relevant, whether you want it to be or not.
It’s ok to post fake news about IMPACT and the WTU teachers but not REAL news about a candidate?

If IMPACT is working tell me about all the gains? Why are many 12th graders on a 1st grade reading level?

No teacher in their right might has said no evaluations, we want a replacement. Perhaps one like MCPS.

This thread is about the candidates' positions on Education topics, so yes IMPACT and WTU are relevant (but I'm confused what you mean about fake news, feel free to explain) and banging away about Kenyan's general aura of self-dealing/corruption is a side topic. The whole "his kids go to a private school" argument, while circumstantial, is more on topic.

There's a separate thread in Metro Politics where the rest can be dumped.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT has been pretty successful actually. But WTU hates it, so, of course, Janeese wants to get rid of it. Their wish is her command.

"And all of the rigorous research we have suggests that it worked basically as intended. The canonical studies on this issue — by teams from the University of Virginia, Stanford, and Brown — found that when teachers rated “ineffective” left schools, they tended to be replaced by better-performing educators, and students’ results improved. Even though some effective teachers exited too, turnover had an overall positive impact on achievement — suggesting the good of the policy outweighed the bad of any “instability” it created, as one DCPS report noted.

The same was true later years, after IMPACT underwent revisions that lessened its emphasis on test scores. What’s more, a separate paper found compelling evidence that the system was spurring educators who stayed in D.C. to improve their teaching skills. (Mathematica’s research also found that Fenty’s broader set of reforms, including IMPACT, bore fruit).

Nonetheless, nixing IMPACT has remained one of the teachers’ union’s major goals. Now it’s backing Lewis George, who has promised to deliver on it."

https://capitalcommonsense.substack.com/p/im-a-dcps-parent-janeese-lewis-georges?r=9c2s&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

I think this thread has actually been helpful for me. Maybe I'll go vote today and then can stop thinking about it.

Ah, so I guess racism is great to you. Gotcha. I guess making teachers miserable is ok to you.

Just say you hate teachers.


https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/page_content/attachments/American-University-School-of-Education-Report-for-DCPS_FINAL.pdf

Uh, well, DCPS itself says teacher retention has improved under IMPACT and the teachers who complain the most about IMPACT are the ones with the very worst ratings.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/page_content/attachments/Teacher-Retention-Memo_IMPACT-Review_August-2021.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having a really hard time with this election, I have serious reservations about both of these candidates.

We are a family that put our kids in both DCPS and charter, and want robust, challenging classes and well-supported teachers.

Let's start a thread -- i would love to hear from people about their experiences with JLG and McDuffie on schools.

McDuffie is disqualified from being considered because BOTH of his kids were/are at GDS. So not just any private school but the most exclusive, expensive school in the area.

This. I am stuck on the GDS thing. How do you trust someone to lead DCPS that has abandoned our schools? Also how does a council member and a CSOSA employee pay for two kids to go to GDS?

With financial aid.

Also, whoever said that GDS is the most exclusive and expensive private school in DC - I think Sidwell wants a word with you. Ha!

That is crazy. Two well-paid professionals accepting charity to attend GDS. Is that what private schools do? I always assumed they help actually needy families.

I definitely know families with HHIs in the 200ks who get financial aid from GDS. this is very normal for the private school. You should apply!

+1, these schools aren't doing charity. They give financial aid to students they think will succeed at the schools. That usually means stable homes and educated parents. The vast majority of families can't afford GDS tuition, so it's a way to improve their diversity (of all kinds, including socioeconomic). But they aren't giving out prizes for the neediest families. GDS probably wouldn't serve a truly needy family well because they don't offer the services such a family would need, and it would be difficult for truly need kids to find a sense of belonging at a school where many families easily afford the huge sticker price.

This is why a mayoral candidate who sends their kids to GDS should not be elected. He's seen the other side, and he said nope. Not my kids. How can he possibly understand anything outside of the crony type political world and its elite donors? If he does understand, he has spent a lot of money and his adult life trying to make sure his kids don't have any contact with it. Meanwhile, those of us at DCPS and charters are intentionally trying to ensure our kids have exposure to diversity of all sorts.

Janeese wants to cripple charter schools, reduce class time and put the teachers union in charge of the city's education policies. Given all of that, why the F should I care when McDuffie sends his kids to school?

McDuffie wants to cripple DCPS schools, reduce its funding, give businesses more access to student data, and cripple the teachers and their union.
Given all of that why the F should I care that JLG went to SWW -a school many would love their child to go to?