How can rational people believe in any religion?

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

I think that because you conspicuously don’t provide the explanation or details. Because you are disingenuous.

That’s why I think that.

Feel free to provide those details and prove me wrong.

So what did I leave out? It’s true that a Catholic priest was the first to propose the idea:

“This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.”

https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang

I don’t think it’s very difficult to click a link.

Science and religion easily exist. Brains can handle complex thoughts and don’t need to be restricted to just one discipline.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Not in serious scientific circles.

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

I think that because you conspicuously don’t provide the explanation or details. Because you are disingenuous.

That’s why I think that.

Feel free to provide those details and prove me wrong.

So what did I leave out? It’s true that a Catholic priest was the first to propose the idea:

“This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.”

https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang

I don’t think it’s very difficult to click a link.

Science and religion easily exist. Brains can handle complex thoughts and don’t need to be restricted to just one discipline.

Except that religion doesn’t actually co-exist with science. Science is based on the natural world and religion is based on stories of the supernatural.

You still haven’t explained how math/physics persuaded you to believe in god(s).

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Not in serious scientific circles.

Disagree. It is pretty commonly believed by physicists who have a significant publication history in the refereed literature. The big bang causes many who understand the physics to believe in God.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Not in serious scientific circles.

Disagree. It is pretty commonly believed by physicists who have a significant publication history in the refereed literature. The big bang causes many who understand the physics to believe in God.

And yet you still aren’t able to articulate why. Seems like the PP is right; you’re trolling.

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Religion is a cult

Religion is what is destroying the US

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

I think that because you conspicuously don’t provide the explanation or details. Because you are disingenuous.

That’s why I think that.

Feel free to provide those details and prove me wrong.

So what did I leave out? It’s true that a Catholic priest was the first to propose the idea:

“This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.”

https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang

I don’t think it’s very difficult to click a link.

Science and religion easily exist. Brains can handle complex thoughts and don’t need to be restricted to just one discipline.

Except that religion doesn’t actually co-exist with science. Science is based on the natural world and religion is based on stories of the supernatural.

You still haven’t explained how math/physics persuaded you to believe in god(s).

I’m a DP. You must be asking that to a different poster, as Math/Physics is not why I believe in God.

I simply posted about Georges Lemaître.

But my brain has no difficulty at all seeing how science and religion coexist. And plenty of scientists are also people of faith.

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Religion is what is destroying the US

No, I think hate and ignorance are doing that.

And plenty of people are responsible, not just religious people.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

I think that because you conspicuously don’t provide the explanation or details. Because you are disingenuous.

That’s why I think that.

Feel free to provide those details and prove me wrong.

So what did I leave out? It’s true that a Catholic priest was the first to propose the idea:

“This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.”

https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang

I don’t think it’s very difficult to click a link.

Science and religion easily exist. Brains can handle complex thoughts and don’t need to be restricted to just one discipline.

Your claim was not that science and religion can co-exist, or that religious people can also be scientists. Your claim was math and physics led you to believe in a god, and you have not provided one iota of evidence as to what evidence that was and why it led you to that conclusion .

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

I think that because you conspicuously don’t provide the explanation or details. Because you are disingenuous.

That’s why I think that.

Feel free to provide those details and prove me wrong.

So what did I leave out? It’s true that a Catholic priest was the first to propose the idea:

“This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.”

https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang

I don’t think it’s very difficult to click a link.

Science and religion easily exist. Brains can handle complex thoughts and don’t need to be restricted to just one discipline.

Except that religion doesn’t actually co-exist with science. Science is based on the natural world and religion is based on stories of the supernatural.

You still haven’t explained how math/physics persuaded you to believe in god(s).

I’m a DP. You must be asking that to a different poster, as Math/Physics is not why I believe in God.

I simply posted about Georges Lemaître.

But my brain has no difficulty at all seeing how science and religion coexist. And plenty of scientists are also people of faith.

Since no one here is arguing that, your post is a gish-galloping non-sequitur, and little else.