How can rational people believe in any religion?

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

And from there you decided to believe in one of these old religions that have no rationality to them? Believing in a higher power to explain the God of the Gaps or the start of the universe is one thing. Believing in an obviously man made religion is another.

Atheists on here are disingenuous or bad readers because belief in God or any god does not automatically require signing up for an organized religion. Or biblical inerrancy. Even sime organized religions don't buy into biblical inerrancy, physical virgin birth, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

And from there you decided to believe in one of these old religions that have no rationality to them? Believing in a higher power to explain the God of the Gaps or the start of the universe is one thing. Believing in an obviously man made religion is another.

Atheists on here are disingenuous or bad readers because belief in God or any god does not automatically require signing up for an organized religion. Or biblical inerrancy. Even sime organized religions don't buy into biblical inerrancy, physical virgin birth, etc.

So then why don’t you tell those atheists “We don’t believe the bible” or “it’s a metaphor written by men”. Then state what you do believe and why you believe it.

I think you are the disingenuous one.

[Anonymous]

DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

And from there you decided to believe in one of these old religions that have no rationality to them? Believing in a higher power to explain the God of the Gaps or the start of the universe is one thing. Believing in an obviously man made religion is another.

Atheists on here are disingenuous or bad readers because belief in God or any god does not automatically require signing up for an organized religion. Or biblical inerrancy. Even sime organized religions don't buy into biblical inerrancy, physical virgin birth, etc.

So then why don’t you tell those atheists “We don’t believe the bible” or “it’s a metaphor written by men”. Then state what you do believe and why you believe it.

I think you are the disingenuous one.

DP: Just the way you ask the question shows you don't know enough about theology to ask the quesiton. The Bible has a lot of stuff in it. How can you say you don't believe a song, or a poem, or the Judaic geneology, or a letter that was written from one person to a group of people offering advice? There are metaphors in it, there are also parables, there are also poems, prophetic writing, songs, letters, histories of the movements of people over time. I'm not quite sure what you think religion is, but no one can say what you want them to say about this: that woudn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

And from there you decided to believe in one of these old religions that have no rationality to them? Believing in a higher power to explain the God of the Gaps or the start of the universe is one thing. Believing in an obviously man made religion is another.

Atheists on here are disingenuous or bad readers because belief in God or any god does not automatically require signing up for an organized religion. Or biblical inerrancy. Even sime organized religions don't buy into biblical inerrancy, physical virgin birth, etc.

So then why don’t you tell those atheists “We don’t believe the bible” or “it’s a metaphor written by men”. Then state what you do believe and why you believe it.

I think you are the disingenuous one.

DP: Just the way you ask the question shows you don't know enough about theology to ask the quesiton. The Bible has a lot of stuff in it. How can you say you don't believe a song, or a poem, or the Judaic geneology, or a letter that was written from one person to a group of people offering advice? There are metaphors in it, there are also parables, there are also poems, prophetic writing, songs, letters, histories of the movements of people over time. I'm not quite sure what you think religion is, but no one can say what you want them to say about this: that woudn't make sense.

Oh bother. So stupid. You know what I meant, and why I meant it, and why that is what people mean when they talk about the bible. If you wannna say the bible is just a book like Beowulf or The Great Gatsby, fine, then we agree and can stop talking about it.

And I noticed you still dont say what you believe and why. That is a HUGE tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility

Hey troll boy, a little lesson. Sentences like the one above hit every thinking person like this: “This person is either lying or stupid, and either way, nothing else they say matters.

You 100% know the above is untrue. Completely untrue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

If one understands the Physics, it becomes very clear God exists.

Not trying to persuade someone who doesn't understand science. Feel free to study the big bang or not, as you wish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

I think that because you conspicuously don’t provide the explanation or details. Because you are disingenuous.

That’s why I think that.

Feel free to provide those details and prove me wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

If one understands the Physics, it becomes very clear God exists.

Not trying to persuade someone who doesn't understand science. Feel free to study the big bang or not, as you wish.

As an engineer, I’m pretty comfortable with physics.

How does physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

Everything you wrote is your own opinion.

We is just you. You can have an opinion but you can’t have fact as your opinion.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

[Anonymous]

"or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring."

this is not how evolution works, but it did give me a chuckle, so I appreciate the comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

And from there you decided to believe in one of these old religions that have no rationality to them? Believing in a higher power to explain the God of the Gaps or the start of the universe is one thing. Believing in an obviously man made religion is another.

Atheists on here are disingenuous or bad readers because belief in God or any god does not automatically require signing up for an organized religion. Or biblical inerrancy. Even sime organized religions don't buy into biblical inerrancy, physical virgin birth, etc.

The topic of this thread is how do people believe in *religion*. I can understand how people may believe in a higher power. But the underlying beliefs for the major world religions are so patently absurd that I don’t understand how anyone can say they believe it with a straight face.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.