How can rational people believe in any religion?

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

I think that because you conspicuously don’t provide the explanation or details. Because you are disingenuous.

That’s why I think that.

Feel free to provide those details and prove me wrong.

So what did I leave out? It’s true that a Catholic priest was the first to propose the idea:

“This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.”

https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang

I don’t think it’s very difficult to click a link.

Science and religion easily exist. Brains can handle complex thoughts and don’t need to be restricted to just one discipline.

Your claim was not that science and religion can co-exist, or that religious people can also be scientists. Your claim was math and physics led you to believe in a god, and you have not provided one iota of evidence as to what evidence that was and why it led you to that conclusion .

As I said upthread, you are writing to multiple people. I never claimed math and physics led me to believe in God.

And it’s not my responsibility to provide evidence. Heck, it’s not that poster’s job, either. If your brain can’t reconcile their coexistence, then that’s fine. Others can. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

Again… DP!!! Are you aware you are replying to multiple people?

To be a hypocrite, I would have needed to make a statement first.

And come on, you posted a distillery poll and tried to pass it off a legitimate. So yes, I’m going to attack a foolish source. If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

Again… DP!!! Are you aware you are replying to multiple people?

To be a hypocrite, I would have needed to make a statement first.

And come on, you posted a distillery poll and tried to pass it off a legitimate. So yes, I’m going to attack a foolish source. If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious.

Again you troll, gish gallop, and distract.

The point - WHICH YOU CLEARLY MISSED, (probably intentionally) was that it is hypocritical to say you are not allowed to say one mythical being is a lie but it's perfectly ok to say that about another. ADDRESS THAT PLEASE. Because the fact is your god is just as ridiculous to many people as Leprechauns are to you. That is the point.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

Again… DP!!! Are you aware you are replying to multiple people?

To be a hypocrite, I would have needed to make a statement first.

And come on, you posted a distillery poll and tried to pass it off a legitimate. So yes, I’m going to attack a foolish source. If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious.

Again you troll, gish gallop, and distract.

The point - WHICH YOU CLEARLY MISSED, (probably intentionally) was that it is hypocritical to say you are not allowed to say one mythical being is a lie but it's perfectly ok to say that about another. ADDRESS THAT PLEASE. Because the fact is your god is just as ridiculous to many people as Leprechauns are to you. That is the point.

I just said I’d actually have to make a statement before I can be called a hypocrite. You are speaking to different people. Take your indignation and point it in the right direction.

I actually don’t have a strong opinion about religion or leprechauns. I do have an opinion about people with closed or fixed mindsets…

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

Again… DP!!! Are you aware you are replying to multiple people?

To be a hypocrite, I would have needed to make a statement first.

And come on, you posted a distillery poll and tried to pass it off a legitimate. So yes, I’m going to attack a foolish source. If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious.

Again you troll, gish gallop, and distract.

The point - WHICH YOU CLEARLY MISSED, (probably intentionally) was that it is hypocritical to say you are not allowed to say one mythical being is a lie but it's perfectly ok to say that about another. ADDRESS THAT PLEASE. Because the fact is your god is just as ridiculous to many people as Leprechauns are to you. That is the point.

I just said I’d actually have to make a statement before I can be called a hypocrite. You are speaking to different people. Take your indignation and point it in the right direction.

I actually don’t have a strong opinion about religion or leprechauns. I do have an opinion about people with closed or fixed mindsets…

Now it is your turn to be unintentionally ironic, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

Again… DP!!! Are you aware you are replying to multiple people?

To be a hypocrite, I would have needed to make a statement first.

And come on, you posted a distillery poll and tried to pass it off a legitimate. So yes, I’m going to attack a foolish source. If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious.

Again you troll, gish gallop, and distract.

The point - WHICH YOU CLEARLY MISSED, (probably intentionally) was that it is hypocritical to say you are not allowed to say one mythical being is a lie but it's perfectly ok to say that about another. ADDRESS THAT PLEASE. Because the fact is your god is just as ridiculous to many people as Leprechauns are to you. That is the point.

I just said I’d actually have to make a statement before I can be called a hypocrite. You are speaking to different people. Take your indignation and point it in the right direction.

I actually don’t have a strong opinion about religion or leprechauns. I do have an opinion about people with closed or fixed mindsets…

Now it is your turn to be unintentionally ironic, I guess.

Nope… no irony here. Sorry to disappoint. I’m sure you’re trying to accuse me of a closed mindset. You’d have a hard time pointing to proof.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

Again… DP!!! Are you aware you are replying to multiple people?

To be a hypocrite, I would have needed to make a statement first.

And come on, you posted a distillery poll and tried to pass it off a legitimate. So yes, I’m going to attack a foolish source. If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious.

Again you troll, gish gallop, and distract.

The point - WHICH YOU CLEARLY MISSED, (probably intentionally) was that it is hypocritical to say you are not allowed to say one mythical being is a lie but it's perfectly ok to say that about another. ADDRESS THAT PLEASE. Because the fact is your god is just as ridiculous to many people as Leprechauns are to you. That is the point.

I just said I’d actually have to make a statement before I can be called a hypocrite. You are speaking to different people. Take your indignation and point it in the right direction.

I actually don’t have a strong opinion about religion or leprechauns. I do have an opinion about people with closed or fixed mindsets…

Now it is your turn to be unintentionally ironic, I guess.

Nope… no irony here. Sorry to disappoint. I’m sure you’re trying to accuse me of a closed mindset. You’d have a hard time pointing to proof.

Maybe pointing to the fact that despite several re-directions to the point, some which used SHOUTING to make sure they weren’t missed, were summarily ignored so you could continue to hammer down on a non-sequitur?

That seems definitively closed minded to me.

But you do you, if it makes you happy. Have a good weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

Thank you for showing the truth by NOT answering the questions. Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that? This shows your hypocrisy.

But you are also wrong:

A 2011 survey by Cooley Distillery found that one-third (33%) of Irish people believed leprechauns exist, while 55% believed they existed in the past.

https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/third-irish-people-believe-leprechauns-exist-according-survey-170046

If it makes you happier, answer the questions and substitute Krishna or Allah for Leprechauns.

DP here. Your source is a distillery.

“As many as 55% of those questioned say Leprechauns existed in Ireland in the past, but the current financial crisis and scarcity of gold due to the rising commodity market prices may have forced many leprechauns to emigrate in recent years.”

We’re not considering polling a bunch of drunk people serious research now, are we?

Ad hominem. Attack the source. Classic.

And you still didn't answer the questions, even when offered to substitute another mythical being.

Because you are a terrible hypocrite.

Again… DP!!! Are you aware you are replying to multiple people?

To be a hypocrite, I would have needed to make a statement first.

And come on, you posted a distillery poll and tried to pass it off a legitimate. So yes, I’m going to attack a foolish source. If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious.

Again you troll, gish gallop, and distract.

The point - WHICH YOU CLEARLY MISSED, (probably intentionally) was that it is hypocritical to say you are not allowed to say one mythical being is a lie but it's perfectly ok to say that about another. ADDRESS THAT PLEASE. Because the fact is your god is just as ridiculous to many people as Leprechauns are to you. That is the point.

I just said I’d actually have to make a statement before I can be called a hypocrite. You are speaking to different people. Take your indignation and point it in the right direction.

I actually don’t have a strong opinion about religion or leprechauns. I do have an opinion about people with closed or fixed mindsets…

Now it is your turn to be unintentionally ironic, I guess.

Nope… no irony here. Sorry to disappoint. I’m sure you’re trying to accuse me of a closed mindset. You’d have a hard time pointing to proof.

Maybe pointing to the fact that despite several re-directions to the point, some which used SHOUTING to make sure they weren’t missed, were summarily ignored so you could continue to hammer down on a non-sequitur?

That seems definitively closed minded to me.

But you do you, if it makes you happy. Have a good weekend.

The thread had multiple conversations. You appear to have taken it over with your rants and SHOUTING, redirecting otherwise reasonable discourse to your one direction. What you dismissively consider a non-sequitur is merely a response to another conversation on this thread.

If you want to repurpose this entire thread to your one myopic question, then I recommend that you start a new thread so you can shout in the wind there. Perhaps the rest of us can then get back to the original point.

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

That wasn't the question.

The question for the PP that remains unanswered was:
How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

That wasn't the question.

The question for the PP that remains unanswered was:
How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

My point supports the argument, regardless of whether you accept it. The PP you are *so desperate* to hear from was called a troll. I responded that it isn't trollish to write that a scientist can be religious. After all, the Big Bang Theory was first proposed by a Catholic priest. Which one came first (science or religion) is getting into the weeds.

If you want to hear arguments how science can also bring you to faith, I recommend heading over to ChatGPT and asking your question there. You'll get an immediate response and you can continue arguing there.

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

That wasn't the question.

The question for the PP that remains unanswered was:
How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

My point supports the argument, regardless of whether you accept it. The PP you are *so desperate* to hear from was called a troll. I responded that it isn't trollish to write that a scientist can be religious. After all, the Big Bang Theory was first proposed by a Catholic priest. Which one came first (science or religion) is getting into the weeds.

If you want to hear arguments how science can also bring you to faith, I recommend heading over to ChatGPT and asking your question there. You'll get an immediate response and you can continue arguing there.

Again, that isn't the discussion on this thread.

We were discussing the PP's claim that physics persuaded him to believe in god.

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

That wasn't the question.

The question for the PP that remains unanswered was:
How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

My point supports the argument, regardless of whether you accept it. The PP you are *so desperate* to hear from was called a troll. I responded that it isn't trollish to write that a scientist can be religious. After all, the Big Bang Theory was first proposed by a Catholic priest. Which one came first (science or religion) is getting into the weeds.

If you want to hear arguments how science can also bring you to faith, I recommend heading over to ChatGPT and asking your question there. You'll get an immediate response and you can continue arguing there.

Again, that isn't the discussion on this thread.

We were discussing the PP's claim that physics persuaded him to believe in god.

No, YOU are discussing that. Plenty of us have taken this thread in other directions. Note the title; it does not say “why physics persuaded one person to believe in God.” Feel free to start that thread if you want to.

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Anonymous wrote:The Physics of the big bang persuaded me. I am a published research scientist. Many of my colleagues were similarly persuaded by the math.

Persuaded you to do what?

Believe in God.

What is your area of expertise?

Physics.

How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

PP is trolling you.

DP. I don’t know why you’d think that. The big bang theory was introduced by a Catholic priest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Science and religion coexist.

That wasn't the question.

The question for the PP that remains unanswered was:
How did the math/physics persuade you to believe in god(s)?

My point supports the argument, regardless of whether you accept it. The PP you are *so desperate* to hear from was called a troll. I responded that it isn't trollish to write that a scientist can be religious. After all, the Big Bang Theory was first proposed by a Catholic priest. Which one came first (science or religion) is getting into the weeds.

If you want to hear arguments how science can also bring you to faith, I recommend heading over to ChatGPT and asking your question there. You'll get an immediate response and you can continue arguing there.

Again, that isn't the discussion on this thread.

We were discussing the PP's claim that physics persuaded him to believe in god.

No, YOU are discussing that. Plenty of us have taken this thread in other directions. Note the title; it does not say “why physics persuaded one person to believe in God.” Feel free to start that thread if you want to.

I was obviously referring to the thread above, not the overall post.

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Anonymous wrote:DP I believe the Bible is an accurate historical record, has true geneologies, and explains the correct origin of the species: In the beginning God created...and both male and female God created on the same day.

God created plants and flowers and two days later created bees and other pollinating insects. The hypothesis (it is not a theory) of Evolution is presented as a plausible explanation but it is an explanation grasping at straws couched in science-y language and parroted by intellectuals to give a fetid pile of baloney called Evolution some semblance of credibility, hoping to persuade themselves and others that there is no God who created anything. Drugs, alcohol, and insistent denial assist in this self deception.

It is the atheist who thinks gaps in our knowledge will be solved by science. The origin of atomic particles and human beings will never be explained by science because it was an historical event that happened once in the far past (the Bible does not say how long ago).

These origins cannot be replicated or observed again, only a choice made between God, or a lucky sequence of random events that magically caused it all to happen, such as flowers to have evolved "just in time" for bees to make honey from nectar, a female to have evolved "just in time!" for the male to mate with and produce offspring. The atheist pounds his chest, dripping with snotty condescension and arrogance, "It just so happened just in time on our insignificant planet that life by lucky chance arose and reproduced, producing all that we see today. It is true because we are sure we know more than you and our science says so. Nanny-nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo, Creationists!"

The Bible speaks true. Jesus quoted the Bible, including the book of Genesis therefore validating the scriptures. Those who have rejected Jesus will refuse to believe that God created all things. The unbelievers call the Bible foolishness but will perish in their sins.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

"Well which god?" the atheist will whine and mewl. It is the God who said in the Bible, "I am". Jesus said in John 14:6

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Either Jesus spoke the truth that there is only one God and only one way to heaven, or Jesus did not speak the truth thus causing all religions to be a lie. All religions that say Jesus was not the messiah, not the son of God, are false:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Exactly. Jesus as the son of God is a lie and all organized religions that teach about some being that we cant explain having power over us and the world are also lies. That doesnt mean we cant wonder about things we don't know and that there isn't a positive life force that needs to be nurtured to continue to grow things in this world. We just clearly know that Jesus wasn't a God and that Mohammed didn't actually hear God and write down word for word what he said and that Moses didn't actually part the Red Sea and that there aren't many headed God's running around the world.

What is it with atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth?

The irony of this statement is unbelievable. It is the theist that says they have the answers, and the atheist says “we don’t know yet” all the time.

My personal relationship with God doesn’t involve you or anyone else on earth. I don’t tell atheists they have to believe in God or religion or be spiritual or whatever. I don’t unilaterally declare my own opinions are valid for everyone on earth, as pp atheist did.

No scholar, academic, historian, theologian, etc, has declared that everyone must accept that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God and everyone must believe. Nor has any scholar, academic, historian, or theologian declared Jesus Christ isn’t the Son of God.

Pp who claimed “we” know Jesus as the Son of God to be a “lie” is the person lying. They can’t know, and no one else does either. It’s odd I have to explain this.

DP - what they KNOW is that there is no evidence it is true and therefore no reason to believe it. The same reason you don't believe in everything else you don't believe in.

I might not have chosen PP's wording, but I certainly agree with their sentiment. And your statement about "atheists thinking they know things for everyone else on earth" remains 100% ironic.

Do you think the claim "Leprechauns exist" is true or untrue? Would it be presumptuous to say "People that claim Leprechauns exist are not telling the truth"? Would you object to that?

Thousands of years of serious philosophical debate by some of history’s greatest minds have centered on theism, whereas leprechauns are treated as cultural fun or folklore with no serious adult following.

The "God hypothesis" is treated as a serious philosophical candidate for the origin of the universe, whereas mythical creatures are treated as cultural folklore.

But not a scientific candidate. No scientist seriously believes that god(s) created the universe. Or, maybe more precisely, no scientist who believes that god(s) created the universe are taken seriously.

If a scientist happens to believe in the supernatural, it's compartmentalized from their scientific understanding of the world. They don't co-exist on the same plane.

The only difference between various mythical creatures is the level of popularity.