How to fight this new anti-childcare winter weather approach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see "Morning childcare is canceled. All-day childcare programs will operate on a two hour delay."

Could it be the staff at morning only programs may have other jobs and their ability to report is hours/time based? I.e. someone who can only work till 9 am, in the event of a delay, it doesn't make sense for them to come in 2 hours late when they have another location to report to? Just curious

That’s what I’ve been saying for a couple pages back. But a lot of parents here seem to think that these workers are available all day long. Nobody can live on a salary of just a couple hours every morning so it stands to reason that many of these people have other jobs they must get to.

“It wasn’t a problem in the past!” I bet a lot of of these places operated with the wrong student to teacher ratios. But I think parents don’t care or see it as an issue that as long as their children were at before care.

You are answering the wrong questions here. Yours is a response to "I am annoyed that my beforecare provider has chosen not to open today, and I don't understand why!"

People are asking something different, which is "Why did MCPS force beforecare providers-- their private tenants-- to close when they were able to open and wanted to open?" Your answer is either totally irrelevant, or you think that MCPS should be forcing all beforecare providers to close because some of them might not have enough staff which is ridiculous.

I mean, I think the "it was unsafe to send MCPS staff to open buildings for beforecare providers at 9am even though they were doing it at the exact same time for full-day providers and high schools" argument is BS, but it's at least something that is theoretically reasonable for MCPS to care about and be involved in. But everyone saying "but what if not enough beforecare staff could make it to some sites for them to operate?" is talking about something that has nothing to do with how MCPS makes decisions about facilities, it's about how individual providers make decisions about opening/closing.

[Anonymous]

Literally 24 hours ago MCPS blasted out what code yellow means and explicitly stated before care may open on time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally 24 hours ago MCPS blasted out what code yellow means and explicitly stated before care may open on time.

May is a key word. Doesn't mean it will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see "Morning childcare is canceled. All-day childcare programs will operate on a two hour delay."

Could it be the staff at morning only programs may have other jobs and their ability to report is hours/time based? I.e. someone who can only work till 9 am, in the event of a delay, it doesn't make sense for them to come in 2 hours late when they have another location to report to? Just curious

That’s what I’ve been saying for a couple pages back. But a lot of parents here seem to think that these workers are available all day long. Nobody can live on a salary of just a couple hours every morning so it stands to reason that many of these people have other jobs they must get to.

“It wasn’t a problem in the past!” I bet a lot of of these places operated with the wrong student to teacher ratios. But I think parents don’t care or see it as an issue that as long as their children were at before care.

You are answering the wrong questions here. Yours is a response to "I am annoyed that my beforecare provider has chosen not to open today, and I don't understand why!"

People are asking something different, which is "Why did MCPS force beforecare providers-- their private tenants-- to close when they were able to open and wanted to open?" Your answer is either totally irrelevant, or you think that MCPS should be forcing all beforecare providers to close because some of them might not have enough staff which is ridiculous.

I mean, I think the "it was unsafe to send MCPS staff to open buildings for beforecare providers at 9am even though they were doing it at the exact same time for full-day providers and high schools" argument is BS, but it's at least something that is theoretically reasonable for MCPS to care about and be involved in. But everyone saying "but what if not enough beforecare staff could make it to some sites for them to operate?" is talking about something that has nothing to do with how MCPS makes decisions about facilities, it's about how individual providers make decisions about opening/closing.

Get the fck off your inconvenient day.
First, mcps can make the decision as to if their facility can be open or not.
And, not sure if you are same poster but you need to understand that before care employees might not be showing up because they are going to their other job at the time when delayed child care would be starting up. So between 9-9:30am they are on their way to another place or are not paid for those hours on delayed start days so they do not come in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see "Morning childcare is canceled. All-day childcare programs will operate on a two hour delay."

Could it be the staff at morning only programs may have other jobs and their ability to report is hours/time based? I.e. someone who can only work till 9 am, in the event of a delay, it doesn't make sense for them to come in 2 hours late when they have another location to report to? Just curious

That’s what I’ve been saying for a couple pages back. But a lot of parents here seem to think that these workers are available all day long. Nobody can live on a salary of just a couple hours every morning so it stands to reason that many of these people have other jobs they must get to.

“It wasn’t a problem in the past!” I bet a lot of of these places operated with the wrong student to teacher ratios. But I think parents don’t care or see it as an issue that as long as their children were at before care.

also we seemed to have less of a problem keeping staff at before/aftercare. Covid changed all that. The 'before times' are gone.

I think in this case, the before times were 2023 when child care centers could make closure/delay decisions with more independence. Even literally yesterday, the published guidance for Code Yellow allowed for before care to be open.

+1. My kid started the first year back to in person schooling after COVID. I have no experience of pre-COVID beforecare, but our KAH site opened without issue until last year. It's possible they were operating with higher than legal ratios, but that's possible any day.

Same. We use BarT and they were allowed to open until last year. They opened in 2022 and 2023.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but even in 2024, before care could open with a 2-hr delay for Code Yellow, I think? It was just that MCPS had a string of 3 straight Code Red days, IIRC, when the roads were clear for 90% of the county.

Looking at my e-mails from last winter, it looks like they were able to open at the usual time on 1/9/24 and on a two hour delay on 1/21/24 and 1/22/24, but on 2/6/24 were forced to stay closed? Can someone else check that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see "Morning childcare is canceled. All-day childcare programs will operate on a two hour delay."

Could it be the staff at morning only programs may have other jobs and their ability to report is hours/time based? I.e. someone who can only work till 9 am, in the event of a delay, it doesn't make sense for them to come in 2 hours late when they have another location to report to? Just curious

That’s what I’ve been saying for a couple pages back. But a lot of parents here seem to think that these workers are available all day long. Nobody can live on a salary of just a couple hours every morning so it stands to reason that many of these people have other jobs they must get to.

“It wasn’t a problem in the past!” I bet a lot of of these places operated with the wrong student to teacher ratios. But I think parents don’t care or see it as an issue that as long as their children were at before care.

You are answering the wrong questions here. Yours is a response to "I am annoyed that my beforecare provider has chosen not to open today, and I don't understand why!"

People are asking something different, which is "Why did MCPS force beforecare providers-- their private tenants-- to close when they were able to open and wanted to open?" Your answer is either totally irrelevant, or you think that MCPS should be forcing all beforecare providers to close because some of them might not have enough staff which is ridiculous.

I mean, I think the "it was unsafe to send MCPS staff to open buildings for beforecare providers at 9am even though they were doing it at the exact same time for full-day providers and high schools" argument is BS, but it's at least something that is theoretically reasonable for MCPS to care about and be involved in. But everyone saying "but what if not enough beforecare staff could make it to some sites for them to operate?" is talking about something that has nothing to do with how MCPS makes decisions about facilities, it's about how individual providers make decisions about opening/closing.

Get the fck off your inconvenient day.
First, mcps can make the decision as to if their facility can be open or not.
And, not sure if you are same poster but you need to understand that before care employees might not be showing up because they are going to their other job at the time when delayed child care would be starting up. So between 9-9:30am they are on their way to another place or are not paid for those hours on delayed start days so they do not come in.

Slow down and try reading the post again. Your answer has nothing to do with the actual questions here. If you're not willing to take the time to comprehend the actual issues, please take your time and attention elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Mcps can make the call on when facility can be open or not. Just because they have de iced and custodian can "turn on lights" doesn't mean there will be humans there to watch your kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see "Morning childcare is canceled. All-day childcare programs will operate on a two hour delay."

Could it be the staff at morning only programs may have other jobs and their ability to report is hours/time based? I.e. someone who can only work till 9 am, in the event of a delay, it doesn't make sense for them to come in 2 hours late when they have another location to report to? Just curious

That’s what I’ve been saying for a couple pages back. But a lot of parents here seem to think that these workers are available all day long. Nobody can live on a salary of just a couple hours every morning so it stands to reason that many of these people have other jobs they must get to.

“It wasn’t a problem in the past!” I bet a lot of of these places operated with the wrong student to teacher ratios. But I think parents don’t care or see it as an issue that as long as their children were at before care.

You are answering the wrong questions here. Yours is a response to "I am annoyed that my beforecare provider has chosen not to open today, and I don't understand why!"

People are asking something different, which is "Why did MCPS force beforecare providers-- their private tenants-- to close when they were able to open and wanted to open?" Your answer is either totally irrelevant, or you think that MCPS should be forcing all beforecare providers to close because some of them might not have enough staff which is ridiculous.

I mean, I think the "it was unsafe to send MCPS staff to open buildings for beforecare providers at 9am even though they were doing it at the exact same time for full-day providers and high schools" argument is BS, but it's at least something that is theoretically reasonable for MCPS to care about and be involved in. But everyone saying "but what if not enough beforecare staff could make it to some sites for them to operate?" is talking about something that has nothing to do with how MCPS makes decisions about facilities, it's about how individual providers make decisions about opening/closing.

Get the fck off your inconvenient day.
First, mcps can make the decision as to if their facility can be open or not.
And, not sure if you are same poster but you need to understand that before care employees might not be showing up because they are going to their other job at the time when delayed child care would be starting up. So between 9-9:30am they are on their way to another place or are not paid for those hours on delayed start days so they do not come in.

Slow down and try reading the post again. Your answer has nothing to do with the actual questions here. If you're not willing to take the time to comprehend the actual issues, please take your time and attention elsewhere.

It's best if YOU do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mcps can make the call on when facility can be open or not. Just because they have de iced and custodian can "turn on lights" doesn't mean there will be humans there to watch your kids

Thanks, we trust the providers to make that call. Does MCPS not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mcps can make the call on when facility can be open or not. Just because they have de iced and custodian can "turn on lights" doesn't mean there will be humans there to watch your kids

Thanks, we trust the providers to make that call. Does MCPS not?

They use MCPS facility. What are you not understanding, my f jeesuz.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP does not comprehend that workers at childcare centers exist and go home at night.

This is a dumb, lazy response to a legitimate concern. There's zero reason why childcare workers and their employers can't be allowed to make their own decisions about whether they're able to open like all other businesses.

maybe the school district is protecting those workers to we continue to have child care workers.

Ooh, do the poor wittle child care workers need the heroic MCPS's protection from the scary rain? Go away, CO staffer. Iit is utterly out of line for MCPS to cost families (and child care workers) millions of dollars in lost wages by imposing a countywide decision on private child care providers who know their neighborhoods and their staff and should be able to make their own decisions just like any other private employer in the county.

...and who are using MCPS facilities. If you don't like that liability you are 100% free to select a private childcare provider that operates in a non-MCPS building and use a private transportation option for transit between the two. MCPS promises school. They do not also have to promise childcare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see "Morning childcare is canceled. All-day childcare programs will operate on a two hour delay."

Could it be the staff at morning only programs may have other jobs and their ability to report is hours/time based? I.e. someone who can only work till 9 am, in the event of a delay, it doesn't make sense for them to come in 2 hours late when they have another location to report to? Just curious

That’s what I’ve been saying for a couple pages back. But a lot of parents here seem to think that these workers are available all day long. Nobody can live on a salary of just a couple hours every morning so it stands to reason that many of these people have other jobs they must get to.

“It wasn’t a problem in the past!” I bet a lot of of these places operated with the wrong student to teacher ratios. But I think parents don’t care or see it as an issue that as long as their children were at before care.

You are answering the wrong questions here. Yours is a response to "I am annoyed that my beforecare provider has chosen not to open today, and I don't understand why!"

People are asking something different, which is "Why did MCPS force beforecare providers-- their private tenants-- to close when they were able to open and wanted to open?" Your answer is either totally irrelevant, or you think that MCPS should be forcing all beforecare providers to close because some of them might not have enough staff which is ridiculous.

I mean, I think the "it was unsafe to send MCPS staff to open buildings for beforecare providers at 9am even though they were doing it at the exact same time for full-day providers and high schools" argument is BS, but it's at least something that is theoretically reasonable for MCPS to care about and be involved in. But everyone saying "but what if not enough beforecare staff could make it to some sites for them to operate?" is talking about something that has nothing to do with how MCPS makes decisions about facilities, it's about how individual providers make decisions about opening/closing.

Get the fck off your inconvenient day.
First, mcps can make the decision as to if their facility can be open or not.
And, not sure if you are same poster but you need to understand that before care employees might not be showing up because they are going to their other job at the time when delayed child care would be starting up. So between 9-9:30am they are on their way to another place or are not paid for those hours on delayed start days so they do not come in.

Slow down and try reading the post again. Your answer has nothing to do with the actual questions here. If you're not willing to take the time to comprehend the actual issues, please take your time and attention elsewhere.

It's best if YOU do that.

Name one thing I am not understanding here. I can name at least 3 things you are not understanding.

Also, why are you even here? Those of us who were harmed by this decision are here to try to figure out ways to make things better. Are you here just to laugh at us and taunt us? Who does that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP does not comprehend that workers at childcare centers exist and go home at night.

This is a dumb, lazy response to a legitimate concern. There's zero reason why childcare workers and their employers can't be allowed to make their own decisions about whether they're able to open like all other businesses.

maybe the school district is protecting those workers to we continue to have child care workers.

Ooh, do the poor wittle child care workers need the heroic MCPS's protection from the scary rain? Go away, CO staffer. Iit is utterly out of line for MCPS to cost families (and child care workers) millions of dollars in lost wages by imposing a countywide decision on private child care providers who know their neighborhoods and their staff and should be able to make their own decisions just like any other private employer in the county.

...and who are using MCPS facilities. If you don't like that liability you are 100% free to select a private childcare provider that operates in a non-MCPS building and use a private transportation option for transit between the two. MCPS promises school. They do not also have to promise childcare.

And people wonder why the birthrate is dropping...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally 24 hours ago MCPS blasted out what code yellow means and explicitly stated before care may open on time.

May is a key word. Doesn't mean it will.

It was a lie. They were prohibited from opening. Taylor needed attention today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mcps can make the call on when facility can be open or not. Just because they have de iced and custodian can "turn on lights" doesn't mean there will be humans there to watch your kids

Thanks, we trust the providers to make that call. Does MCPS not?

They use MCPS facility. What are you not understanding, my f jeesuz.

Do you not understand the difference between landlords and tenants? Do you seriously think it is a landlord's role to say "hmm, I think some of my tenants might not be able to get enough staff to come in today and might have to choose to stay closed, so I guess I will prohibit any of my tenants from having the choice to open in the first place?"

(Leaving aside the fact that there is exactly zero evidence of any staffing challenges in the first place.)