Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Allowing feds to continue to work from home will make traffic better. My commute has gone up almost 30 extra minutes in the past month. It sucks. I can't work from home, but these feds have been working from home for years. Just let them work from home. A friend of mine who's a Fed is now commuting almost 2 hours each way so he can work in a makeshift hallway desk with people walking by him all day. How petty do you have to be to ruin someone's life like that. The dude doesn't even see his kids anymore. He started working from home during Trump's first term too. He said he's 10% as productive as when he was working from home.

+1

I have to work in person five days a week and have for years. I’d much prefer people who can work from home stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

"their hours" is the problem. And just working the "minimum hours" is the problem. I know it is allowed. But I need permission and sometimes a doctor note to leave at 5 pm or not work a Saturday. And my bosses would do "early dismissal" on before a big holiday which ment we left at 5 pm.

I have two ex-govt work who is not catching on by year two or three. Problem is they work the minimun and take full advantage of every chance to be remote. On average they come to work 60 hours a month. Lets with sick days, vacation days, holidays, holidays that fall on an in person day they come to work 600 hours a year in person.

People in Big Law, Big 4, NYC Financial Services are often doing 200 hours a month in person and still working from home before work and after work. So at 600 a year in office they are doing what folks at PwC, JPM, GS, KPMG are doing every three months. The learning curve is very very slow. And when you need something they are never around.

Go to Motor Vehicles or Post Office and at closing time they slam the door in your face even if a line of customers. I worked in Govt a few years. at 425 pm in my office it was like a Bomb was going off and we had to evactuate. We left work exactly at 430 pm. I recall taking a crap at 425 pm with a building with 3,000 people and coming out at 435 pm to an empty floor. Was crazy.

If you think feds should get more done, I don't know why you're mad that some of them had flexible schedules as opposed to the current, intentional destruction of state capacity. Unless your problem had nothing to do with whether things got done and more to do with feeling like some people had it too easy.

There's also less working additional hours now since WFH or outside hours is increasingly prohibited. People at my office used to work on the weekends more than occasionally, but no one is doing it now because they could get fired.

My office had a prolonged systems outage the other day. This occurs every so often and when it used to happen while WFH, many of us said we would go do something else off the clock, come back later when it was working again and then finish the full day of work later. However it's impossible to have the same flexibility while working from the office, so essentially less work got done. Believe it or not, I am a taxpayer too and the whole thing pissed me off even more. Just another example how RTO is not about efficiency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

"their hours" is the problem. And just working the "minimum hours" is the problem. I know it is allowed. But I need permission and sometimes a doctor note to leave at 5 pm or not work a Saturday. And my bosses would do "early dismissal" on before a big holiday which ment we left at 5 pm.

I have two ex-govt work who is not catching on by year two or three. Problem is they work the minimun and take full advantage of every chance to be remote. On average they come to work 60 hours a month. Lets with sick days, vacation days, holidays, holidays that fall on an in person day they come to work 600 hours a year in person.

People in Big Law, Big 4, NYC Financial Services are often doing 200 hours a month in person and still working from home before work and after work. So at 600 a year in office they are doing what folks at PwC, JPM, GS, KPMG are doing every three months. The learning curve is very very slow. And when you need something they are never around.

Go to Motor Vehicles or Post Office and at closing time they slam the door in your face even if a line of customers. I worked in Govt a few years. at 425 pm in my office it was like a Bomb was going off and we had to evactuate. We left work exactly at 430 pm. I recall taking a crap at 425 pm with a building with 3,000 people and coming out at 435 pm to an empty floor. Was crazy.

If you think feds should get more done, I don't know why you're mad that some of them had flexible schedules as opposed to the current, intentional destruction of state capacity. Unless your problem had nothing to do with whether things got done and more to do with feeling like some people had it too easy.

There's also less working additional hours now since WFH or outside hours is increasingly prohibited. People at my office used to work on the weekends more than occasionally, but no one is doing it now because they could get fired.

My office had a prolonged systems outage the other day. This occurs every so often and when it used to happen while WFH, many of us said we would go do something else off the clock, come back later when it was working again and then finish the full day of work later. However it's impossible to have the same flexibility while working from the office, so essentially less work got done. Believe it or not, I am a taxpayer too and the whole thing pissed me off even more. Just another example how RTO is not about efficiency.

Plus it’s terrible in so many other ways! I can’t stay in shape / do workouts like before, if I have to go all the way into the office to just do work in person there.

[Anonymous]

Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

I was hired as fully remote. Guess what, this still applies to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

Even if you weren't hired remote, why do you think it needs to go backwards? More than enough time to see that it's worked out well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

My spouse was hired remotely and worked for several years before Covid. Now rto. They put far more hours in working from home than in the office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

For those in the back, the Feds have been teleworking since 2010.

You have to be over 65 to think people can’t work remotely. Hopefully this mentality dies off with the boomers.

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Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

For those in the back, the Feds have been teleworking since 2010.

You have to be over 65 to think people can’t work remotely. Hopefully this mentality dies off with the boomers.

All of them? Really? Please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

For those in the back, the Feds have been teleworking since 2010.

You have to be over 65 to think people can’t work remotely. Hopefully this mentality dies off with the boomers.

All of them? Really? Please.

those that could, which as previously detailed by OPM was only around 50% of the federal workforce.

and as of LAST MAY, 60% of the work hours by telework-eligible workers were already done at the office. so you are endorsing millions to billions of dollars of expense and reduced work over....people teleworking around 2 days per week.

[Anonymous]

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2024/08/teleworking-feds-are-spending-60-their-time-working-person-omb-says/398779/

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Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

Even if you weren't hired remote, why do you think it needs to go backwards? More than enough time to see that it's worked out well.

It didn’t work out well en masse. If it had, it would be continuing. But, departments found their productivity slip, accountability was not there, employees were cheating the time and running errands and personal chores and did not honestly make up all the hours. Work was not getting done. Office cultures were shattered. Employees were not available when they should have been. More accountability was needed. Now after 5 years of complacency with WFH and screwing around on the job, a RTO was made to try to make employees more accountable and productivity go up. We had a nice vacation for 5 years and now we are back to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

For those in the back, the Feds have been teleworking since 2010.

You have to be over 65 to think people can’t work remotely. Hopefully this mentality dies off with the boomers.

All of them? Really? Please.

those that could, which as previously detailed by OPM was only around 50% of the federal workforce.

and as of LAST MAY, 60% of the work hours by telework-eligible workers were already done at the office. so you are endorsing millions to billions of dollars of expense and reduced work over....people teleworking around 2 days per week.

The State Dept sent an email out last week saying that the promotion panels over the summer will be held virtually, going on and on about how much money the govt will save. I thought it was a bit tone deaf as I was sitting at the office reading it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boo hoo. Unless you were hired as 100% remote, you’ve had it good for 5 yrs. More than enough time. Now get back to your job.

Even if you weren't hired remote, why do you think it needs to go backwards? More than enough time to see that it's worked out well.

It didn’t work out well en masse. If it had, it would be continuing. But, departments found their productivity slip, accountability was not there, employees were cheating the time and running errands and personal chores and did not honestly make up all the hours. Work was not getting done. Office cultures were shattered. Employees were not available when they should have been. More accountability was needed. Now after 5 years of complacency with WFH and screwing around on the job, a RTO was made to try to make employees more accountable and productivity go up. We had a nice vacation for 5 years and now we are back to work.

None of this is true. I certainly did not have a 5 year vacation. I want to be annoyed at you but being so stupid must be really rough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Allowing feds to continue to work from home will make traffic better. My commute has gone up almost 30 extra minutes in the past month. It sucks. I can't work from home, but these feds have been working from home for years. Just let them work from home. A friend of mine who's a Fed is now commuting almost 2 hours each way so he can work in a makeshift hallway desk with people walking by him all day. How petty do you have to be to ruin someone's life like that. The dude doesn't even see his kids anymore. He started working from home during Trump's first term too. He said he's 10% as productive as when he was working from home.

+1

I have to work in person five days a week and have for years. I’d much prefer people who can work from home stay home.

+1000 The traffic is killing me. For those shi*ting on remote workers, sit down. It’s precisely because of selfish people like you that this country is going down hill. Only thinking “what about me, bohoo I can’t work from home so no one else should” grow up!