Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so pissed every day that we can’t strike. A good strike would fix all of this. Americans have no idea how much feds touch their every day life. They eliminated our unions, we should have the ability to strike.

So what's stopping you? Do it.

The law dumba*ss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so pissed every day that we can’t strike. A good strike would fix all of this. Americans have no idea how much feds touch their every day life. They eliminated our unions, we should have the ability to strike.

So what's stopping you? Do it.

The law dumba*ss

So if "the law" says you must report to zeee concentration camps, you will follow "the law"?

[Anonymous]

It's not just people who WFH that dislike this. My spouse has worked 5 days per week in person, even during COVID, and is absolutely hating the traffic since everyone else is back 5 days per week (vs. 2 or 3).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

Also the quoted post says that “most” federal workers have an AWS. I would like to see the numbers to back up that claim. I have been at three agencies and only offered AWS. In those cases a small percentage of people actually did it.

[Anonymous]

*only one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

"their hours" is the problem. And just working the "minimum hours" is the problem. I know it is allowed. But I need permission and sometimes a doctor note to leave at 5 pm or not work a Saturday. And my bosses would do "early dismissal" on before a big holiday which ment we left at 5 pm.

I have two ex-govt work who is not catching on by year two or three. Problem is they work the minimun and take full advantage of every chance to be remote. On average they come to work 60 hours a month. Lets with sick days, vacation days, holidays, holidays that fall on an in person day they come to work 600 hours a year in person.

People in Big Law, Big 4, NYC Financial Services are often doing 200 hours a month in person and still working from home before work and after work. So at 600 a year in office they are doing what folks at PwC, JPM, GS, KPMG are doing every three months. The learning curve is very very slow. And when you need something they are never around.

Go to Motor Vehicles or Post Office and at closing time they slam the door in your face even if a line of customers. I worked in Govt a few years. at 425 pm in my office it was like a Bomb was going off and we had to evactuate. We left work exactly at 430 pm. I recall taking a crap at 425 pm with a building with 3,000 people and coming out at 435 pm to an empty floor. Was crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What did you do pre 2020? People commuted to the office every day. Kids went to daycare. Parents came home, made dinner, helped with homework. It’s life.

Newsflash - some people didn't have kids before 2020, some people weren't commuting to the office before 2020, some people weren't married or living in their current geographical location. 5 years is a long time, major life changes do happen in that time period!

I was doing all of those things prior to 2020 and when I stopped I realized how awful it had been. I never want to do that again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

"their hours" is the problem. And just working the "minimum hours" is the problem. I know it is allowed. But I need permission and sometimes a doctor note to leave at 5 pm or not work a Saturday. And my bosses would do "early dismissal" on before a big holiday which ment we left at 5 pm.

I have two ex-govt work who is not catching on by year two or three. Problem is they work the minimun and take full advantage of every chance to be remote. On average they come to work 60 hours a month. Lets with sick days, vacation days, holidays, holidays that fall on an in person day they come to work 600 hours a year in person.

People in Big Law, Big 4, NYC Financial Services are often doing 200 hours a month in person and still working from home before work and after work. So at 600 a year in office they are doing what folks at PwC, JPM, GS, KPMG are doing every three months. The learning curve is very very slow. And when you need something they are never around.

Go to Motor Vehicles or Post Office and at closing time they slam the door in your face even if a line of customers. I worked in Govt a few years. at 425 pm in my office it was like a Bomb was going off and we had to evactuate. We left work exactly at 430 pm. I recall taking a crap at 425 pm with a building with 3,000 people and coming out at 435 pm to an empty floor. Was crazy.

If you think feds should get more done, I don't know why you're mad that some of them had flexible schedules as opposed to the current, intentional destruction of state capacity. Unless your problem had nothing to do with whether things got done and more to do with feeling like some people had it too easy.

There's also less working additional hours now since WFH or outside hours is increasingly prohibited. People at my office used to work on the weekends more than occasionally, but no one is doing it now because they could get fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

I didn't imply that feds are lazy. I don't think feds are any different from any other industry. Stop making stuff up. Feds choose to have that schedule if they so like. They are welcome to work five days a week if that works better for them.

I would like to worry about myself as well. But here we are with yet another thread about how you just can't make it into the office. I didn't start it, you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

"their hours" is the problem. And just working the "minimum hours" is the problem. I know it is allowed. But I need permission and sometimes a doctor note to leave at 5 pm or not work a Saturday. And my bosses would do "early dismissal" on before a big holiday which ment we left at 5 pm.

I have two ex-govt work who is not catching on by year two or three. Problem is they work the minimun and take full advantage of every chance to be remote. On average they come to work 60 hours a month. Lets with sick days, vacation days, holidays, holidays that fall on an in person day they come to work 600 hours a year in person.

People in Big Law, Big 4, NYC Financial Services are often doing 200 hours a month in person and still working from home before work and after work. So at 600 a year in office they are doing what folks at PwC, JPM, GS, KPMG are doing every three months. The learning curve is very very slow. And when you need something they are never around.

Go to Motor Vehicles or Post Office and at closing time they slam the door in your face even if a line of customers. I worked in Govt a few years. at 425 pm in my office it was like a Bomb was going off and we had to evactuate. We left work exactly at 430 pm. I recall taking a crap at 425 pm with a building with 3,000 people and coming out at 435 pm to an empty floor. Was crazy.

This is literally all nonsense. What is wrong with you? Even if any of your bizarre assertions about Feds were accurate why would you compare to Big Law? My spouse is at a mid sized law firm and earns 3-4 times what I earn depending on his bonus. His friends in Big Law earn far more than that. Obviously they are going to work more, it’s a miserable life to justify that $$$.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

I didn't imply that feds are lazy. I don't think feds are any different from any other industry. Stop making stuff up. Feds choose to have that schedule if they so like. They are welcome to work five days a week if that works better for them.

I would like to worry about myself as well. But here we are with yet another thread about how you just can't make it into the office. I didn't start it, you know.

Right and you HAD to come one and start making inaccurate and misleading statements about how Feds don’t work on Fridays. The OP forced you! Poor you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

"their hours" is the problem. And just working the "minimum hours" is the problem. I know it is allowed. But I need permission and sometimes a doctor note to leave at 5 pm or not work a Saturday. And my bosses would do "early dismissal" on before a big holiday which ment we left at 5 pm.

I have two ex-govt work who is not catching on by year two or three. Problem is they work the minimun and take full advantage of every chance to be remote. On average they come to work 60 hours a month. Lets with sick days, vacation days, holidays, holidays that fall on an in person day they come to work 600 hours a year in person.

People in Big Law, Big 4, NYC Financial Services are often doing 200 hours a month in person and still working from home before work and after work. So at 600 a year in office they are doing what folks at PwC, JPM, GS, KPMG are doing every three months. The learning curve is very very slow. And when you need something they are never around.

Go to Motor Vehicles or Post Office and at closing time they slam the door in your face even if a line of customers. I worked in Govt a few years. at 425 pm in my office it was like a Bomb was going off and we had to evactuate. We left work exactly at 430 pm. I recall taking a crap at 425 pm with a building with 3,000 people and coming out at 435 pm to an empty floor. Was crazy.

Are you posting from 1998? I know plenty of private sector employees, including at well known companies, and no one is working like you describe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

You purposely worded this as if Feds were just taking off a day a week, not working their officially documented alternate work schedule, to imply Feds are lazy. My husband at a private employer also had this schedule forced on him, which he hated because it meant the other days were longer. Either way why is it a problem if they are getting their work done? My office allows for a 9 day per pay period schedule but you still have to do your hours, and more importantly get your work done! AWS are very easy to revoke for poor performance, so it is a good carrot for some people.

I wish people would just realize they have no idea what other people are actually doing and worry about themselves.

"their hours" is the problem. And just working the "minimum hours" is the problem. I know it is allowed. But I need permission and sometimes a doctor note to leave at 5 pm or not work a Saturday. And my bosses would do "early dismissal" on before a big holiday which ment we left at 5 pm.

I have two ex-govt work who is not catching on by year two or three. Problem is they work the minimun and take full advantage of every chance to be remote. On average they come to work 60 hours a month. Lets with sick days, vacation days, holidays, holidays that fall on an in person day they come to work 600 hours a year in person.

People in Big Law, Big 4, NYC Financial Services are often doing 200 hours a month in person and still working from home before work and after work. So at 600 a year in office they are doing what folks at PwC, JPM, GS, KPMG are doing every three months. The learning curve is very very slow. And when you need something they are never around.

Go to Motor Vehicles or Post Office and at closing time they slam the door in your face even if a line of customers. I worked in Govt a few years. at 425 pm in my office it was like a Bomb was going off and we had to evactuate. We left work exactly at 430 pm. I recall taking a crap at 425 pm with a building with 3,000 people and coming out at 435 pm to an empty floor. Was crazy.

FYI, they'll do the same thing if you show up at closing time at Walmart or Target. Heck, at my local Aldi, the closing time is 8:30 PM, but they shut the doors to entering customers at 8:15 PM, no exceptions. This is how retail businesses work.

[Anonymous]

Allowing feds to continue to work from home will make traffic better. My commute has gone up almost 30 extra minutes in the past month. It sucks. I can't work from home, but these feds have been working from home for years. Just let them work from home. A friend of mine who's a Fed is now commuting almost 2 hours each way so he can work in a makeshift hallway desk with people walking by him all day. How petty do you have to be to ruin someone's life like that. The dude doesn't even see his kids anymore. He started working from home during Trump's first term too. He said he's 10% as productive as when he was working from home.