SecDef shares US war Plan in Group chat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is much ado about nothing. Do you seriously think Yemen could have done anything about this with the inside information?

The administration did this to intimidate Canada and Europe. There was a basketball team who used to run through their offense instead of the pregame layup line. They did it to intimidate the opponent, showing their offense because the opponent wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. That team ended up winning 85-90% of their games consistently.

That’s all this is. Democrats need to calm down, take a deep breath, and figure out how they’re going to stay out of jail.

AYFKM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe one of the most bizarre stories of the Trump 2.0 eta

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/

And I am old enough to remember "but her emails" and Obama being forces to surrender his Blackberry.

The people who’d have the best embryos. Genius embryos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible Waltz did this on purpose because he had a Road to Damascus moment? I simply cannot believe that this was a coincidence.

I simply can no believe you think he did this because he's ethical. Did you read his posts? He was the one pushing for the bombs to drop.

PP didn’t mean ethical as he didn’t want us to drop bombs on civilians, PP meant ethical as in if all of this top secret military planning to drop bombs in civilians is illegally taking place in a commercial chat app then someone should damn well know about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could the Signal chat violate the law?

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cg70xgxl3vmt

Some of the Signal messages National Security Adviser Michael Waltz sent to the chat were set to disappear after one week, Jeffrey Goldberg reported in his article for The Atlantic.

That raises concerns about two federal laws that require the preservation of government records: the Presidential Records Act and the Federal Records Act.

“The law requires that electronic messages that take place on a non-official account are preserved, in some fashion, on an official electronic record keeping system," said Jason R Baron, a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.

Such regulations would cover Signal, he said.

Official government communications are supposed to be either automatically archived, or the individuals involved are supposed to forward, copy, or preserve the messages.

“The open question here is whether these communications were automatically archived," Baron told the BBC. "It's not clear whether that occurred."

It was also unclear whether the individuals in the chat had taken other steps to preserve the records.

The use of Signal to discuss the military strikes also raised security questions.

“Assuming that any of the conversations on Signal could be considered classified, then under Department of Defense guidance those communications should have taken place on a classified government network, or on a network with government-approved encrypted features," Baron said.

“We should all be concerned about the use of these electronic messaging apps to evade federal record keeping requirements," he said.

The Espionage Act is the bigger concern for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible Waltz did this on purpose because he had a Road to Damascus moment? I simply cannot believe that this was a coincidence.

I simply can no believe you think he did this because he's ethical. Did you read his posts? He was the one pushing for the bombs to drop.

PP didn’t mean ethical as he didn’t want us to drop bombs on civilians, PP meant ethical as in if all of this top secret military planning to drop bombs in civilians is illegally taking place in a commercial chat app then someone should damn well know about it.

Nah. Not much chance of that. He simply could have withdrawn from the chat if that were the case and said: hey, as NSA I can't be seen on a commercial platform making war plans, cuz, that breaks like 5 different laws. He's the most likely to get fired in this current situation, because he was the dim bulb who added the journalist, which in Trump world is the major problem, not the breaking of laws part or the failing to follow appropriate security procedures for classified materials part...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible Waltz did this on purpose because he had a Road to Damascus moment? I simply cannot believe that this was a coincidence.

I simply can no believe you think he did this because he's ethical. Did you read his posts? He was the one pushing for the bombs to drop.

PP didn’t mean ethical as he didn’t want us to drop bombs on civilians, PP meant ethical as in if all of this top secret military planning to drop bombs in civilians is illegally taking place in a commercial chat app then someone should damn well know about it.

Nah. Not much chance of that. He simply could have withdrawn from the chat if that were the case and said: hey, as NSA I can't be seen on a commercial platform making war plans, cuz, that breaks like 5 different laws. He's the most likely to get fired in this current situation, because he was the dim bulb who added the journalist, which in Trump world is the major problem, not the breaking of laws part or the failing to follow appropriate security procedures for classified materials part...

I’m sure if he wasn’t a journalist from a failing magazine it wouldn’t be an issue for the felon at all. 😉

[Anonymous]

Always diplomatic and circumspect...our DEI Hillbilly hire JD and DUI hire Hegseth.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4v3ndg28jo
Messages blast 'pathetic' Europe
Goldberg reported that the officials also discussed the potential for Europe to pay for US protection of key shipping lanes.

"Whether it's now or several weeks from now, it will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes," the account associated with Waltz wrote on 14 March.

The message continued, saying that at Trump's request, his team was working with the defence department and state department "to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans".

At one point in the thread the Vance account griped that the strikes would benefit the Europeans, because of their reliance on those shipping lanes, adding: "I just hate bailing Europe out again."

The user identified as Hegseth responded three minutes later: "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC."

[Anonymous]

In normal times doing something like this would be grounds for having your security clearance pulled...

Who belonged to “Houthi PC small group”? Apparently a slew of high-level Trump administration officials including Hegseth, Waltz, Vice President J.D. Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, CIA Director John Ratcliff, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller.

[Anonymous]

I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

Consequences from who? Sounds like Republicans in Congress will give them a mild slap on the wrist. Speaker Johnson already said, there's no need to spend time on this issue...they'll do better in the future. As if they were a bunch of high schooler kids who made a dumb error, and not people holding the lives of our military in their hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

Consequences from who? Sounds like Republicans in Congress will give them a mild slap on the wrist. Speaker Johnson already said, there's no need to spend time on this issue...they'll do better in the future. As if they were a bunch of high schooler kids who made a dumb error, and not people holding the lives of our military in their hands.

Johnson is young and inexperienced. This is actually a serious problem for national security. The GOP will need to realize the vulnerabilities these people create cannot be tolerated. The GOP is holding the ball when we/our troops suffer a terrorist attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

Consequences from who? Sounds like Republicans in Congress will give them a mild slap on the wrist. Speaker Johnson already said, there's no need to spend time on this issue...they'll do better in the future. As if they were a bunch of high schooler kids who made a dumb error, and not people holding the lives of our military in their hands.

Johnson is young and inexperienced. This is actually a serious problem for national security. The GOP will need to realize the vulnerabilities these people create cannot be tolerated. The GOP is holding the ball when we/our troops suffer a terrorist attack.

To paraphrase Melania: "I really don't think they care. Do U?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

Consequences from who? Sounds like Republicans in Congress will give them a mild slap on the wrist. Speaker Johnson already said, there's no need to spend time on this issue...they'll do better in the future. As if they were a bunch of high schooler kids who made a dumb error, and not people holding the lives of our military in their hands.

Johnson is young and inexperienced. This is actually a serious problem for national security. The GOP will need to realize the vulnerabilities these people create cannot be tolerated. The GOP is holding the ball when we/our troops suffer a terrorist attack.

This is what happens when someone who is clearly not fit for the POTUS position becomes POTUS. Trump finding people to work in his administration who are both qualified with relevant experience and willing to work for him is nearly impossible. Here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

Consequences from who? Sounds like Republicans in Congress will give them a mild slap on the wrist. Speaker Johnson already said, there's no need to spend time on this issue...they'll do better in the future. As if they were a bunch of high schooler kids who made a dumb error, and not people holding the lives of our military in their hands.

Johnson is young and inexperienced. This is actually a serious problem for national security. The GOP will need to realize the vulnerabilities these people create cannot be tolerated. The GOP is holding the ball when we/our troops suffer a terrorist attack.

This is what happens when someone who is clearly not fit for the POTUS position becomes POTUS. Trump finding people to work in his administration who are both qualified with relevant experience and willing to work for him is nearly impossible. Here we are.

That is part of the problem, I agree. But the bigger problem is a Republican Congress that has abdicated its responsibility to act as a check on executive malfeasance and incompetence and a SCOTUS who has decided that the POTUS is above the law, and a POTUS who has made it clear he will pardon anyone for any crime, as long as they stay on his good side.

[Anonymous]

I guess it was as good thing trump didn't go after hillary for her sending of 1000s of emails and storing them in her private computer which included classified info. I think trump either got lucky or was lazy.