My Mom Worked Her Whole Life, But Only Gets My Dad's Social Security — Feels Like a Scam

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Anonymous wrote:OP here I’ll respond.

I’ll admit, I was confused at first. I’ve been going back and forth between my phone and computer, so some of my earlier posts weren’t worded as clearly as I’d like. But I’ve been reading the replies and trying to understand it better.

That said, I still feel like Social Security doesn’t really fit everyone equally — especially for people in the upper middle class who already have other protections in place. What surprised me most wasn’t just how confusing it felt, but how quickly people jumped to insult me for even bringing it up. Only a few acknowledged that it is confusing for a lot of people, which is honestly what got me thinking in the first place.

I totally understand my long-term and short-term disability insurance. I understand how term vs. whole life insurance works. I understand how a 401k works. But Social Security? It still feels unclear, and honestly, that’s part of why I’m not sure I even want it — because I don’t fully understand what I’m actually getting.

Maybe I’m missing something. I can see how the system helps in cases of disability or job loss, but for someone like me who already has coverage through work and pays extra for supplemental protection, it doesn’t feel like a good fit.

My mom worked her whole life and I didn’t realize she’d only get one benefit — hers or my dad’s, not both. That really threw me. I’m not saying we should throw the whole system out, but if you want people like me to understand and support it, it helps to explain it — not mock the people asking questions.


Because some of what you are saying is so incredibly and unbelievably stupid that it is difficult to refrain from calling you out. The purpose, function, and limitation of SS has been explained many times on this thread by several posters. If you really can’t understand by now, then maybe this just isn’t one of your gifts. Recognize that there are financial advisors and all sorts of professionals who DO understand these things and let them carry you.



Ok, call me stupid if you want, but you're still not showing the actual value of Social Security, just repeating how it works and saying I should accept it or move. That doesn't answer the questions.

Let’s say my mom took my dad’s survivor benefit for 15 years before retiring. Does that really equal what he paid into the system over decades? Maybe I’m misunderstanding, and maybe it balances out for people who live a long time, but it’s not clear. The payout seems to depend a lot on timing and life expectancy.

What if both spouses worked their whole lives, collected benefits for just 5 years, and then died? Where does all the money they paid in go? It’s just gone?

I’m a millennial. Most of us don’t have pensions and will likely work into our 70s. If both spouses do that and only live a few years after retiring, do we actually get back what we put in? Or are we funding a system that won’t return nearly as much as we contributed?

If the common norm for my generation, as it seems happened with my mom, is that both spouses work into their 70s and pass not long after, will the mandatory draw from Social Security even equal what we put in?



Your assumptions are bad.

Most millennials will not be in married couples where both people work into their 70s. Many millennials aren't getting or staying married in a way that qualifies for spousal benefits. Many people will be unable to work past 70--because the jobs are too physically or mentally demanding for their abilities, they want to retire, they need to provide care for family members, they get laid off, they died long before reaching age 70 (plenty of people die in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s...).

And of the people who are working past 70, few die in their early 70s. Many will live into their 90s or 100s.

What happened to your dad--a high earner who delayed claiming and died before the breakeven point--is not common. It certainly happens: it's the nature of insurance that some people get out less than they put in. But far more common are early claimers who die on the young side, and late claimers who live for decades past 70.


OP, the purpose of Social Security is to prevent poverty among the elderly. It is NOT to pay out to you what you put in. In 1935, about half of all elderly were poor. Social Security fixed that, so in recent years we have only about 10% of the elderly in poverty. This chart shows the dramatic reduction in poverty: https://www.opportunityinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/Social-Security-seniors-in-poverty.png

Anonymous
This use of the word scam sounds like a teenage follower of the current orange cult leader
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Your mother should have applied for your dad’s SS as soon as he passed away. She missed out on over 15 years of benefits because she didn’t research her benefits. The system isn’t broken.


Yes this! Why didn't she apply for survivor's benefits when he died? Or at her full retirement age? Even if she was still working, she would have got something (a reduced benefit) until her full retirement age when she would be able to collect 100% of his benefit. Her own retirement SS would have continued to grow until age 70 and then she would be entitled to collect on her record, if it is a higher amount.
You and your mother should inform yourselves about SS so that you understand exactly what is happening with your benefits (survivor and retirement). All this information is available on ssa.gov
SS is not a savings account.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This use of the word scam sounds like a teenage follower of the current orange cult leader


Exactly- it's a tell when they use phrases like that or "Social security is a ponzi scheme". What they really mean is "I don't want to pay taxes to fund things for other people, I only want to pay taxes for things which directly benefit me"
Anonymous
Funny how dcum posters are experts on social security but 95% of posters don't know the difference between nominal and real returns.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Your mother should have applied for your dad’s SS as soon as he passed away. She missed out on over 15 years of benefits because she didn’t research her benefits. The system isn’t broken.


Yes. She sounds woefully ill-informed/not very bright.
Anonymous
People dying before they are able to collect is part of what keeps the system afloat. My mom died at 61. Obviously never collected.

But even when both spouses are able to collect their SS, they have to drop down to just the higher one (not both) after the first spouse dies. I thought everyone knew this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:People dying before they are able to collect is part of what keeps the system afloat. My mom died at 61. Obviously never collected.

But even when both spouses are able to collect their SS, they have to drop down to just the higher one (not both) after the first spouse dies. I thought everyone knew this.


Wow, outrageous
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SS payments are over by the end of 2025.

Musk and Trump are gutting that.

There is no reality anyone is getting their monies past that point.


Would a buyout be offered similar to how fork and twitter went?


Why would you foment fear like that? You're clearly just trying to undermine trust in government for your own reasons.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People dying before they are able to collect is part of what keeps the system afloat. My mom died at 61. Obviously never collected.

But even when both spouses are able to collect their SS, they have to drop down to just the higher one (not both) after the first spouse dies. I thought everyone knew this.


Wow, outrageous


Nope. Not outrageous. Just, you know how it's always worked.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People dying before they are able to collect is part of what keeps the system afloat. My mom died at 61. Obviously never collected.

But even when both spouses are able to collect their SS, they have to drop down to just the higher one (not both) after the first spouse dies. I thought everyone knew this.


Wow, outrageous


Nope. Not outrageous. Just, you know how it's always worked.


That's a scam like op mentioned wow!!!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SS payments are over by the end of 2025.

Musk and Trump are gutting that.

There is no reality anyone is getting their monies past that point.


Would a buyout be offered similar to how fork and twitter went?


Why would you foment fear like that? You're clearly just trying to undermine trust in government for your own reasons.


Sign me up!!! I would love a buyout to buy stuff I really needed now.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:A woman gets to withdraw benefits greater than what she paid in, and OP calls it a scam against the woman? LOL. Troll.


The scam is that sahms who didn't work 40 quarters can claim SS through their spouse while their spouse is still alive. That's what annoys me as a working woman. If you and your spouse spent your whole lives living on one income, why do you need 2 in retirement?

I have no issue with a widowed spouse receiving the SS payment of whoever's was the highest. DH and I's grandpas all died early and it was hard enough for our grandmas to survive on 1 social security check, particularly when they reached their 90s and it hadn't kept up with COL.


really? i did not know this.
Anonymous
SS is welfare, and that is a very good thing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:SS is welfare, and that is a very good thing.


No, it isn't, it's insurance.
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