Consensus world view of TOP 5/6 UK University Rankings (Prestige/Research)

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t really speak to the debate on rankings, but I have a kids that is a senior in the JDP program at WM/StA.

I get the impression that while WM kids compete for a spot in the JDP after acceptance to WM, it’s the opposite at StA. There, the JDP is treated as a first semester away option for the more competitive majors.

I will also add that there is a high level of academic rigor. My husband and I went to great schools (UVA) and my daughter’s workload at WM was tougher than anything I remember at UVA. She still did quite well first year (3.9) and said it was hard, buy not very hard.

Her first semester at StA was very hard. The writing, research and grade expectations were quite different. Essays that would be easy As at WM were C+ to Bs there. She learned to write A papers there but it was an adjustment, both in terms of the writing style, level of effort, and depth of research.

Anyway I am glad she went there because her writing and research skills improved quite a bit. And I understand if you go there outright, your first two years of grades count in terms of getting the credits to move into honors, but do not count towards their equivalent of a GPA.

All this to stay that UK school have very different expectations and grading systems compared to US schools and it is quite an adjustment. I recommend anyone considering these schools also consider if their kid is ready for that adjustment on top of the adjustment of college generally.

Great points. Which one off the JDPs was she in? Obviously different majors will have different requirements. The advantage of the sub honors years is that while the grading is much harder than the typical US essay review, those grades do not count for GPA. Only the 3rd and 4th year grades will count. You still have to pass. But you can pass with a 7/20. This gives a lot of American kids the time to adjust to the tougher grading and writing requirements before getting to the 3rd year.

She is/was in IR (she is back at WM). Unfortunately for the JDP, those sub-honors classes DO count toward the WM GPA, so I guess in that way, the program is harder. You also have to essentially do first year twice (once at each school).

I believe 7/20 is pass, but you cannot do 7/20 in all classes and expect to pass to honors. I believe the minimum credits mean your actual grades need to be a bit higher (11/20?). But don’t quote me, as my kids was may more focused on how it all translates back to WM.

yes I didn’t think about the JDP program GPA counting in the first two years. That makes sense.

As for St Andrews, Honors years are still 7/20 to pass. A 10 is equivalent to a 2:2. 13 is s 2:1 and >16 = First.
Between 7 and 10 you still pass your Honours modules, but with a third.

I wonder how US schools evaluate their 0 to 20 GPA for grad school purposes in the US?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t really speak to the debate on rankings, but I have a kids that is a senior in the JDP program at WM/StA.

I get the impression that while WM kids compete for a spot in the JDP after acceptance to WM, it’s the opposite at StA. There, the JDP is treated as a first semester away option for the more competitive majors.

I will also add that there is a high level of academic rigor. My husband and I went to great schools (UVA) and my daughter’s workload at WM was tougher than anything I remember at UVA. She still did quite well first year (3.9) and said it was hard, buy not very hard.

Her first semester at StA was very hard. The writing, research and grade expectations were quite different. Essays that would be easy As at WM were C+ to Bs there. She learned to write A papers there but it was an adjustment, both in terms of the writing style, level of effort, and depth of research.

Anyway I am glad she went there because her writing and research skills improved quite a bit. And I understand if you go there outright, your first two years of grades count in terms of getting the credits to move into honors, but do not count towards their equivalent of a GPA.

All this to stay that UK school have very different expectations and grading systems compared to US schools and it is quite an adjustment. I recommend anyone considering these schools also consider if their kid is ready for that adjustment on top of the adjustment of college generally.

Great points. Which one off the JDPs was she in? Obviously different majors will have different requirements. The advantage of the sub honors years is that while the grading is much harder than the typical US essay review, those grades do not count for GPA. Only the 3rd and 4th year grades will count. You still have to pass. But you can pass with a 7/20. This gives a lot of American kids the time to adjust to the tougher grading and writing requirements before getting to the 3rd year.

She is/was in IR (she is back at WM). Unfortunately for the JDP, those sub-honors classes DO count toward the WM GPA, so I guess in that way, the program is harder. You also have to essentially do first year twice (once at each school).

I believe 7/20 is pass, but you cannot do 7/20 in all classes and expect to pass to honors. I believe the minimum credits mean your actual grades need to be a bit higher (11/20?). But don’t quote me, as my kids was may more focused on how it all translates back to WM.

yes I didn’t think about the JDP program GPA counting in the first two years. That makes sense.

As for St Andrews, Honors years are still 7/20 to pass. A 10 is equivalent to a 2:2. 13 is s 2:1 and >16 = First.
Between 7 and 10 you still pass your Honours modules, but with a third.

I wonder how US schools evaluate their 0 to 20 GPA for grad school purposes in the US?

Had a kid in the program here is the conversion chart W&M an St Andrews uses - https://catalog.wm.edu/content.php?catoid=28&navoid=4437#System_of_Grading

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The W&M/Sta conversion page is a tough one for me and several of my classmates a few years ago. I went through the dual IR program and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that it was much more difficult to get a 13/20 at Sta than to earn a B in the U.S.
A’s were a dime a dozen at W&M, at Sta, they were rare.

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Anonymous wrote:The W&M/Sta conversion page is a tough one for me and several of my classmates a few years ago. I went through the dual IR program and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that it was much more difficult to get a 13/20 at Sta than to earn a B in the U.S.
A’s were a dime a dozen at W&M, at Sta, they were rare.

My DC graduated a few years ago as an Econ major in the program and would agree with you. Dean’s list student at W&M, that didn’t happen at St Andrews.

Graduated with a 2.1 at St Andrews but had to work to an earn a number of those 13-13.5 grades in his 12 modules at St Andrews.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t really speak to the debate on rankings, but I have a kids that is a senior in the JDP program at WM/StA.

I get the impression that while WM kids compete for a spot in the JDP after acceptance to WM, it’s the opposite at StA. There, the JDP is treated as a first semester away option for the more competitive majors.

I will also add that there is a high level of academic rigor. My husband and I went to great schools (UVA) and my daughter’s workload at WM was tougher than anything I remember at UVA. She still did quite well first year (3.9) and said it was hard, buy not very hard.

Her first semester at StA was very hard. The writing, research and grade expectations were quite different. Essays that would be easy As at WM were C+ to Bs there. She learned to write A papers there but it was an adjustment, both in terms of the writing style, level of effort, and depth of research.

Anyway I am glad she went there because her writing and research skills improved quite a bit. And I understand if you go there outright, your first two years of grades count in terms of getting the credits to move into honors, but do not count towards their equivalent of a GPA.

All this to stay that UK school have very different expectations and grading systems compared to US schools and it is quite an adjustment. I recommend anyone considering these schools also consider if their kid is ready for that adjustment on top of the adjustment of college generally.

Great points. Which one off the JDPs was she in? Obviously different majors will have different requirements. The advantage of the sub honors years is that while the grading is much harder than the typical US essay review, those grades do not count for GPA. Only the 3rd and 4th year grades will count. You still have to pass. But you can pass with a 7/20. This gives a lot of American kids the time to adjust to the tougher grading and writing requirements before getting to the 3rd year.

She is/was in IR (she is back at WM). Unfortunately for the JDP, those sub-honors classes DO count toward the WM GPA, so I guess in that way, the program is harder. You also have to essentially do first year twice (once at each school).

I believe 7/20 is pass, but you cannot do 7/20 in all classes and expect to pass to honors. I believe the minimum credits mean your actual grades need to be a bit higher (11/20?). But don’t quote me, as my kids was may more focused on how it all translates back to WM.

yes I didn’t think about the JDP program GPA counting in the first two years. That makes sense.

As for St Andrews, Honors years are still 7/20 to pass. A 10 is equivalent to a 2:2. 13 is s 2:1 and >16 = First.
Between 7 and 10 you still pass your Honours modules, but with a third.

I wonder how US schools evaluate their 0 to 20 GPA for grad school purposes in the US?

Had a kid in the program here is the conversion chart W&M an St Andrews uses - https://catalog.wm.edu/content.php?catoid=28&navoid=4437#System_of_Grading

I am the first PP (UVA grad with kid in JPD) and I agree with the others that the conversion chart is misleading. To quote a StA parent “my kid learned to be content with 12-15, happy with 16, thrilled with 17s.” Lots of kids see a 10/20 on one of their first assignments and it’s a shock because most of these kids haven’t seen a B on a major assignment before.

It’s a great learning experience but you really need to make sure your kids walk into the UK system understanding their standards.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t really speak to the debate on rankings, but I have a kids that is a senior in the JDP program at WM/StA.

I get the impression that while WM kids compete for a spot in the JDP after acceptance to WM, it’s the opposite at StA. There, the JDP is treated as a first semester away option for the more competitive majors.

I will also add that there is a high level of academic rigor. My husband and I went to great schools (UVA) and my daughter’s workload at WM was tougher than anything I remember at UVA. She still did quite well first year (3.9) and said it was hard, buy not very hard.

Her first semester at StA was very hard. The writing, research and grade expectations were quite different. Essays that would be easy As at WM were C+ to Bs there. She learned to write A papers there but it was an adjustment, both in terms of the writing style, level of effort, and depth of research.

Anyway I am glad she went there because her writing and research skills improved quite a bit. And I understand if you go there outright, your first two years of grades count in terms of getting the credits to move into honors, but do not count towards their equivalent of a GPA.

All this to stay that UK school have very different expectations and grading systems compared to US schools and it is quite an adjustment. I recommend anyone considering these schools also consider if their kid is ready for that adjustment on top of the adjustment of college generally.

Great points. Which one off the JDPs was she in? Obviously different majors will have different requirements. The advantage of the sub honors years is that while the grading is much harder than the typical US essay review, those grades do not count for GPA. Only the 3rd and 4th year grades will count. You still have to pass. But you can pass with a 7/20. This gives a lot of American kids the time to adjust to the tougher grading and writing requirements before getting to the 3rd year.

She is/was in IR (she is back at WM). Unfortunately for the JDP, those sub-honors classes DO count toward the WM GPA, so I guess in that way, the program is harder. You also have to essentially do first year twice (once at each school).

I believe 7/20 is pass, but you cannot do 7/20 in all classes and expect to pass to honors. I believe the minimum credits mean your actual grades need to be a bit higher (11/20?). But don’t quote me, as my kids was may more focused on how it all translates back to WM.

yes I didn’t think about the JDP program GPA counting in the first two years. That makes sense.

As for St Andrews, Honors years are still 7/20 to pass. A 10 is equivalent to a 2:2. 13 is s 2:1 and >16 = First.
Between 7 and 10 you still pass your Honours modules, but with a third.

I wonder how US schools evaluate their 0 to 20 GPA for grad school purposes in the US?

Had a kid in the program here is the conversion chart W&M an St Andrews uses - https://catalog.wm.edu/content.php?catoid=28&navoid=4437#System_of_Grading

I am the first PP (UVA grad with kid in JPD) and I agree with the others that the conversion chart is misleading. To quote a StA parent “my kid learned to be content with 12-15, happy with 16, thrilled with 17s.” Lots of kids see a 10/20 on one of their first assignments and it’s a shock because most of these kids haven’t seen a B on a major assignment before.

It’s a great learning experience but you really need to make sure your kids walk into the UK system understanding their standards.

Other PP agree. My kid was very content with 15-16 grades and thrilled when he got a 17.2 in one class, yes they grades in 10ths of a point.

Also agree their standards are different. DC never saw a multiple choice test at St Andrews. All Econ exams were solving problems one would encounter in the real world. Very math heavy, show all work tests.

For papers, each department has their own style guide with respect to footnote style and number of primary and secondary sources required in some cases.

Also usually final grade is averaged grade of just 2 assignments. Not a lot in the way of quizzes, etc. They prepare the JDP kids for these differences before their first year at St Andrews.

Just something those going for 4 years should be aware upfront. Also need grades of a certain level in core courses in your chosen major to advance to honors years (3&4). DC knew some kids from other European countries that had to resit for a course because they didn’t hit the bar the first time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t really speak to the debate on rankings, but I have a kids that is a senior in the JDP program at WM/StA.

I get the impression that while WM kids compete for a spot in the JDP after acceptance to WM, it’s the opposite at StA. There, the JDP is treated as a first semester away option for the more competitive majors.

I will also add that there is a high level of academic rigor. My husband and I went to great schools (UVA) and my daughter’s workload at WM was tougher than anything I remember at UVA. She still did quite well first year (3.9) and said it was hard, buy not very hard.

Her first semester at StA was very hard. The writing, research and grade expectations were quite different. Essays that would be easy As at WM were C+ to Bs there. She learned to write A papers there but it was an adjustment, both in terms of the writing style, level of effort, and depth of research.

Anyway I am glad she went there because her writing and research skills improved quite a bit. And I understand if you go there outright, your first two years of grades count in terms of getting the credits to move into honors, but do not count towards their equivalent of a GPA.

All this to stay that UK school have very different expectations and grading systems compared to US schools and it is quite an adjustment. I recommend anyone considering these schools also consider if their kid is ready for that adjustment on top of the adjustment of college generally.

Great points. Which one off the JDPs was she in? Obviously different majors will have different requirements. The advantage of the sub honors years is that while the grading is much harder than the typical US essay review, those grades do not count for GPA. Only the 3rd and 4th year grades will count. You still have to pass. But you can pass with a 7/20. This gives a lot of American kids the time to adjust to the tougher grading and writing requirements before getting to the 3rd year.

She is/was in IR (she is back at WM). Unfortunately for the JDP, those sub-honors classes DO count toward the WM GPA, so I guess in that way, the program is harder. You also have to essentially do first year twice (once at each school).

I believe 7/20 is pass, but you cannot do 7/20 in all classes and expect to pass to honors. I believe the minimum credits mean your actual grades need to be a bit higher (11/20?). But don’t quote me, as my kids was may more focused on how it all translates back to WM.

yes I didn’t think about the JDP program GPA counting in the first two years. That makes sense.

As for St Andrews, Honors years are still 7/20 to pass. A 10 is equivalent to a 2:2. 13 is s 2:1 and >16 = First.
Between 7 and 10 you still pass your Honours modules, but with a third.

I wonder how US schools evaluate their 0 to 20 GPA for grad school purposes in the US?

Had a kid in the program here is the conversion chart W&M an St Andrews uses - https://catalog.wm.edu/content.php?catoid=28&navoid=4437#System_of_Grading

I am the first PP (UVA grad with kid in JPD) and I agree with the others that the conversion chart is misleading. To quote a StA parent “my kid learned to be content with 12-15, happy with 16, thrilled with 17s.” Lots of kids see a 10/20 on one of their first assignments and it’s a shock because most of these kids haven’t seen a B on a major assignment before.

It’s a great learning experience but you really need to make sure your kids walk into the UK system understanding their standards.

Other PP agree. My kid was very content with 15-16 grades and thrilled when he got a 17.2 in one class, yes they grades in 10ths of a point.

Also agree their standards are different. DC never saw a multiple choice test at St Andrews. All Econ exams were solving problems one would encounter in the real world. Very math heavy, show all work tests.

For papers, each department has their own style guide with respect to footnote style and number of primary and secondary sources required in some cases.

Also usually final grade is averaged grade of just 2 assignments. Not a lot in the way of quizzes, etc. They prepare the JDP kids for these differences before their first year at St Andrews.

Just something those going for 4 years should be aware upfront. Also need grades of a certain level in core courses in your chosen major to advance to honors years (3&4). DC knew some kids from other European countries that had to resit for a course because they didn’t hit the bar the first time.

Resits are very normal in the UK. I know this doesnt exist in most US colleges. But most (not all) majors at St Andrews only requires a Pass (7+) to advance to Honors years. Those grades dont count towards their GPA anyway until 3rd year. BUT you do need to get 240 Credits by the end of your send year, 60 credits per semester (3 modules). My understanding is that only certain modules in honors years have certain grade requirements and those are mostly on Science and Math subjects. Other than those, it is mainly a 7+ to get there.

I have a question for you on the ECON test commentary. My niece graduated from St Andrews in English so I dont know anything about their Econ program. My son is doing a Joing Mgmt and Econ starting this fall. I’m assuming the Econ commentary from above was based on their Year 2 Econ classes since JDP students spend year 1 at W&M, correct? My understanding so far is the year 1 Econ at Sta is just Basic Macro in semester 1 and basic Micro in semester 2.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t really speak to the debate on rankings, but I have a kids that is a senior in the JDP program at WM/StA.

I get the impression that while WM kids compete for a spot in the JDP after acceptance to WM, it’s the opposite at StA. There, the JDP is treated as a first semester away option for the more competitive majors.

I will also add that there is a high level of academic rigor. My husband and I went to great schools (UVA) and my daughter’s workload at WM was tougher than anything I remember at UVA. She still did quite well first year (3.9) and said it was hard, buy not very hard.

Her first semester at StA was very hard. The writing, research and grade expectations were quite different. Essays that would be easy As at WM were C+ to Bs there. She learned to write A papers there but it was an adjustment, both in terms of the writing style, level of effort, and depth of research.

Anyway I am glad she went there because her writing and research skills improved quite a bit. And I understand if you go there outright, your first two years of grades count in terms of getting the credits to move into honors, but do not count towards their equivalent of a GPA.

All this to stay that UK school have very different expectations and grading systems compared to US schools and it is quite an adjustment. I recommend anyone considering these schools also consider if their kid is ready for that adjustment on top of the adjustment of college generally.

Great points. Which one off the JDPs was she in? Obviously different majors will have different requirements. The advantage of the sub honors years is that while the grading is much harder than the typical US essay review, those grades do not count for GPA. Only the 3rd and 4th year grades will count. You still have to pass. But you can pass with a 7/20. This gives a lot of American kids the time to adjust to the tougher grading and writing requirements before getting to the 3rd year.

She is/was in IR (she is back at WM). Unfortunately for the JDP, those sub-honors classes DO count toward the WM GPA, so I guess in that way, the program is harder. You also have to essentially do first year twice (once at each school).

I believe 7/20 is pass, but you cannot do 7/20 in all classes and expect to pass to honors. I believe the minimum credits mean your actual grades need to be a bit higher (11/20?). But don’t quote me, as my kids was may more focused on how it all translates back to WM.

yes I didn’t think about the JDP program GPA counting in the first two years. That makes sense.

As for St Andrews, Honors years are still 7/20 to pass. A 10 is equivalent to a 2:2. 13 is s 2:1 and >16 = First.
Between 7 and 10 you still pass your Honours modules, but with a third.

I wonder how US schools evaluate their 0 to 20 GPA for grad school purposes in the US?

Had a kid in the program here is the conversion chart W&M an St Andrews uses - https://catalog.wm.edu/content.php?catoid=28&navoid=4437#System_of_Grading

I am the first PP (UVA grad with kid in JPD) and I agree with the others that the conversion chart is misleading. To quote a StA parent “my kid learned to be content with 12-15, happy with 16, thrilled with 17s.” Lots of kids see a 10/20 on one of their first assignments and it’s a shock because most of these kids haven’t seen a B on a major assignment before.

It’s a great learning experience but you really need to make sure your kids walk into the UK system understanding their standards.

Other PP agree. My kid was very content with 15-16 grades and thrilled when he got a 17.2 in one class, yes they grades in 10ths of a point.

Also agree their standards are different. DC never saw a multiple choice test at St Andrews. All Econ exams were solving problems one would encounter in the real world. Very math heavy, show all work tests.

For papers, each department has their own style guide with respect to footnote style and number of primary and secondary sources required in some cases.

Also usually final grade is averaged grade of just 2 assignments. Not a lot in the way of quizzes, etc. They prepare the JDP kids for these differences before their first year at St Andrews.

Just something those going for 4 years should be aware upfront. Also need grades of a certain level in core courses in your chosen major to advance to honors years (3&4). DC knew some kids from other European countries that had to resit for a course because they didn’t hit the bar the first time.

Resits are very normal in the UK. I know this doesnt exist in most US colleges. But most (not all) majors at St Andrews only requires a Pass (7+) to advance to Honors years. Those grades dont count towards their GPA anyway until 3rd year. BUT you do need to get 240 Credits by the end of your send year, 60 credits per semester (3 modules). My understanding is that only certain modules in honors years have certain grade requirements and those are mostly on Science and Math subjects. Other than those, it is mainly a 7+ to get there.

I have a question for you on the ECON test commentary. My niece graduated from St Andrews in English so I dont know anything about their Econ program. My son is doing a Joing Mgmt and Econ starting this fall. I’m assuming the Econ commentary from above was based on their Year 2 Econ classes since JDP students spend year 1 at W&M, correct? My understanding so far is the year 1 Econ at Sta is just Basic Macro in semester 1 and basic Micro in semester 2.

Yes, DC spent first year at W&M and had basic Macro and Micro at W&M. Those starting the program at St Andrews do the same. In his second year, first at St Andrews he had to take Intermediate Macro and Micro, Mathematics for Economists, Statists for Economists and 2 electives. He needed to get an average of 11 in Intermediate Macro and Micro and 7 or higher in the two Math courses to advance to honours (3rd year) which he also took at St Andrews where he had to take Econometrics and 5 other Economics related modules.

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Anonymous wrote:How many here still deciding between UK vs US for those whose kids have been accepted to both?

My son just decided this weekend that St Andrews was it. His top US choices were Emory, NYU and BC. Dad is a BC/NYU alum and is not yet convinced. I’m an Emory grad and I’m 100% behind him. He was accepted to double major (Joint Honors) Math and Financial Economics.

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Anonymous wrote:How many here still deciding between UK vs US for those whose kids have been accepted to both?

My son just decided this weekend that St Andrews was it. His top US choices were Emory, NYU and BC. Dad is a BC/NYU alum and is not yet convinced. I’m an Emory grad and I’m 100% behind him. He was accepted to double major (Joint Honors) Math and Financial Economics.

Congratulations, word of caution maths ( yes they pluralize it) in UK is much more advanced than most universities in the US. Might want to take a close look at first year modules and do some prep work over the summer.

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Anonymous wrote:How many here still deciding between UK vs US for those whose kids have been accepted to both?

My son just decided this weekend that St Andrews was it. His top US choices were Emory, NYU and BC. Dad is a BC/NYU alum and is not yet convinced. I’m an Emory grad and I’m 100% behind him. He was accepted to double major (Joint Honors) Math and Financial Economics.

+1. Over the summer refresher in math would make sense.
Congratulations, word of caution maths ( yes they pluralize it) in UK is much more advanced than most universities in the US. Might want to take a close look at first year modules and do some prep work over the summer.

[Anonymous]

As an aside, for those with experience in the W&M / StA joint program, if you or your DC had to choose just one of the two schools to attend full time which would it be?

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Anonymous wrote:As an aside, for those with experience in the W&M / StA joint program, if you or your DC had to choose just one of the two schools to attend full time which would it be?

Hard to say. US based and W&M was home school. DC enjoyed both schools for different reasons. Most kids who participate from outside of the US find W&M to be overbearing. Too many graded assignments. They prefer the one or two graded assignments method that UK schools generally use preferable.

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Anonymous wrote:How many here still deciding between UK vs US for those whose kids have been accepted to both?

My son just decided this weekend that St Andrews was it. His top US choices were Emory, NYU and BC. Dad is a BC/NYU alum and is not yet convinced. I’m an Emory grad and I’m 100% behind him. He was accepted to double major (Joint Honors) Math and Financial Economics.

Congratulations, word of caution maths ( yes they pluralize it) in UK is much more advanced than most universities in the US. Might want to take a close look at first year modules and do some prep work over the summer.

Thanks. Yes, my son is aware. Math is his thing. He had 5’s on Calc BC as a Junior. Then took Diff Equations and Abstract Algebra at the local university in his Senior year since he maxed out in his HS. Unfortunately his 800 on the SAT Math and his grades were enough for Ivies. He is about to finish Diff Eq and Abstract Algebra with a 98 avg. But his ECs were just ok. Emory/NYU and BC saw that, but his two Ivies + MIT didnt care about his 1580 and 98/100 GPA UW.

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Meant to sat grades “were NOT enough”…. My bad