Consensus world view of TOP 5/6 UK University Rankings (Prestige/Research)

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Anonymous wrote:Curious when you say employers outside the UK consider these universities the best.

Do you mean outside the UK and outside the US?

I doubt most US employers recognize anything beyond Oxford/Cambridge. Maybe they know London School of Economics or St Andrews.

I’m the PP, not the OP. But I agree with the OP that in the US those 6 schools are well recognized. You are wrong, most Large US employees know all these 6 schools plus LSE as mentioned by the OP. It is not just an Oxbridge world.

Where? It’s not like you see many applicants at all that attend college overseas.

I am involved in recruiting for a large bank and we barely see any non-US college applicants for US-based positions. I can’t remember ever seeing one for Imperial or UCL.

I can’t comment for our London and other foreign operations.

That was not what the comment was about. There is a very small number of US kids graduating from these UK business schools and coming back to US Large Banks…. The comment the other poster made was that nobody knows anything other than Oxbridge in the US and this is clearly not the case. Are you telling me as someone involved in Recruiting for a large bank that you dont know what UCL or Imperial is….this was the point…not whether you see lots of them applying for those jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious when you say employers outside the UK consider these universities the best.

Do you mean outside the UK and outside the US?

I doubt most US employers recognize anything beyond Oxford/Cambridge. Maybe they know London School of Economics or St Andrews.

I’m the PP, not the OP. But I agree with the OP that in the US those 6 schools are well recognized. You are wrong, most Large US employees know all these 6 schools plus LSE as mentioned by the OP. It is not just an Oxbridge world.

Large U.S. employers don't give a sh*t about these UK schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious when you say employers outside the UK consider these universities the best.

Do you mean outside the UK and outside the US?

I doubt most US employers recognize anything beyond Oxford/Cambridge. Maybe they know London School of Economics or St Andrews.

I’m the PP, not the OP. But I agree with the OP that in the US those 6 schools are well recognized. You are wrong, most Large US employees know all these 6 schools plus LSE as mentioned by the OP. It is not just an Oxbridge world.

Where? It’s not like you see many applicants at all that attend college overseas.

I am involved in recruiting for a large bank and we barely see any non-US college applicants for US-based positions. I can’t remember ever seeing one for Imperial or UCL.

I can’t comment for our London and other foreign operations.

That was not what the comment was about. There is a very small number of US kids graduating from these UK business schools and coming back to US Large Banks…. The comment the other poster made was that nobody knows anything other than Oxbridge in the US and this is clearly not the case. Are you telling me as someone involved in Recruiting for a large bank that you dont know what UCL or Imperial is….this was the point…not whether you see lots of them applying for those jobs.

Correct…I don’t know much about them whatsoever. Why would I if I literally never see kids from those schools nor have I known anyone that attended?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious when you say employers outside the UK consider these universities the best.

Do you mean outside the UK and outside the US?

I doubt most US employers recognize anything beyond Oxford/Cambridge. Maybe they know London School of Economics or St Andrews.

I’m the PP, not the OP. But I agree with the OP that in the US those 6 schools are well recognized. You are wrong, most Large US employees know all these 6 schools plus LSE as mentioned by the OP. It is not just an Oxbridge world.

Where? It’s not like you see many applicants at all that attend college overseas.

I am involved in recruiting for a large bank and we barely see any non-US college applicants for US-based positions. I can’t remember ever seeing one for Imperial or UCL.

I can’t comment for our London and other foreign operations.

That was not what the comment was about. There is a very small number of US kids graduating from these UK business schools and coming back to US Large Banks…. The comment the other poster made was that nobody knows anything other than Oxbridge in the US and this is clearly not the case. Are you telling me as someone involved in Recruiting for a large bank that you dont know what UCL or Imperial is….this was the point…not whether you see lots of them applying for those jobs.

Correct…I don’t know much about them whatsoever. Why would I if I literally never see kids from those schools nor have I known anyone that attended?

I hope your boss know that you as a gatekeeper, might be keeping an Imperial College kid from interviewing in favor a SMU or pick your brand school….

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I am a MD at a large Private equity shop in nyc. We have very few american kids that have undergraduate degrees from these schools at my shop. The ones we have are great.

But if I were to find out my HR coordinator excluded a kid from Imperial or UCL/Kings because they didn’t know what that was, i would fire this person immediately. Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious when you say employers outside the UK consider these universities the best.

Do you mean outside the UK and outside the US?

I doubt most US employers recognize anything beyond Oxford/Cambridge. Maybe they know London School of Economics or St Andrews.

I’m the PP, not the OP. But I agree with the OP that in the US those 6 schools are well recognized. You are wrong, most Large US employees know all these 6 schools plus LSE as mentioned by the OP. It is not just an Oxbridge world.

Where? It’s not like you see many applicants at all that attend college overseas.

I am involved in recruiting for a large bank and we barely see any non-US college applicants for US-based positions. I can’t remember ever seeing one for Imperial or UCL.

I can’t comment for our London and other foreign operations.

That was not what the comment was about. There is a very small number of US kids graduating from these UK business schools and coming back to US Large Banks…. The comment the other poster made was that nobody knows anything other than Oxbridge in the US and this is clearly not the case. Are you telling me as someone involved in Recruiting for a large bank that you dont know what UCL or Imperial is….this was the point…not whether you see lots of them applying for those jobs.

Correct…I don’t know much about them whatsoever. Why would I if I literally never see kids from those schools nor have I known anyone that attended?

I hope your boss know that you as a gatekeeper, might be keeping an Imperial College kid from interviewing in favor a SMU or pick your brand school….

Nobody is keeping anyone from anything…no surprise you see very few kids in general attending these foreign schools while yes you will actually see SMU kids.

Much like I doubt folks in London are interviewing many kids from SMU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a MD at a large Private equity shop in nyc. We have very few american kids that have undergraduate degrees from these schools at my shop. The ones we have are great.

But if I were to find out my HR coordinator excluded a kid from Imperial or UCL/Kings because they didn’t know what that was, i would fire this person immediately. Please.

The number of American kids from Oxford/Cambridge outnumber the others by 100-to-1 and you know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a MD at a large Private equity shop in nyc. We have very few american kids that have undergraduate degrees from these schools at my shop. The ones we have are great.

But if I were to find out my HR coordinator excluded a kid from Imperial or UCL/Kings because they didn’t know what that was, i would fire this person immediately. Please.

I agree. In the financial sector in NYC and DC recruiters are generally pretty familiar with the top UK schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes this is helpful! My husband and I are currently discussing this with my son.

He is in the exact situation as you described. He didnt want to apply to our state flagship and now his options are a few expensive private schools. Tulane, Miami, Syracuse, SMU.
He also received Offers from Edinburgh and Exeter. He wants to study Business (International Business).

He is conflicted. What do you think?

I’m NOT the original poster, but I’m also English and I have lived in the US for 12 years.

I can’t speak for the private schools you mentioned in the US, but both Exeter and Edinburgh are among the top undergraduate business programs in the UK, according to the League Tables. Exeter, despite being a younger university, has built a strong reputation for placements in London. They even have a partnership with JP Morgan, where many students secure roles directly from Exeter.

One major advantage of Exeter is that the degree is only three years, meaning the total tuition cost would be roughly equivalent to just one year at many US universities. You do the math.

Between the two, I would choose Edinburgh due to its long-term prestige and name recognition in the US. While it is a four-year program compared to Exeter’s three, it would still be significantly cheaper than US options. Edinburgh has much stronger name recognition in the US and is, quite frankly, the more ‘prestigious’ university, if that matters to you. Outside of St Andrews, Edinburgh likely has the highest number of American students in its undergraduate program.

For International Business and considering how the university is viewed in the US, I would lean towards Edinburgh.

One thing to bear in mind is that Exeter is a very small town. Edinburgh is not huge, but it’s a decent-sized city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you posting this at DCUM, a US-focused forum? Most Americans do not care what the worldwide reputation is of a college if the student is not pursuing some field with potential international reach. US employers are what matter to them.

Why did you not only read, but also feel obliged to comment, on this thread? It is of interest to many of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the info. Does anyone know how the CS program at Edinburgh compares to the CS programs at U Michigan or Georgia Tech?

If you go strictly by the QS World rankings, Edinburgh is ranked higher. I don think you can go wrong with either. Clearly the path for US jobs might be easier from a US school. Edinburgh has had one of the TOP CS depts in the UK. Their School of Informatics is constantly ranked as one of the top in the UK. Hard to compare to a US school like Michigan or Georgia Tech outside of looking at Research output or QS Rankings for CS. If your kid has these 3 choices, great for him. The CS program at Edinburgh is super theoretical. If that is what you like, go for it.

Thank you! Great info about the theoretical nature of the Edinburgh program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a MD at a large Private equity shop in nyc. We have very few american kids that have undergraduate degrees from these schools at my shop. The ones we have are great.

But if I were to find out my HR coordinator excluded a kid from Imperial or UCL/Kings because they didn’t know what that was, i would fire this person immediately. Please.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a MD at a large Private equity shop in nyc. We have very few american kids that have undergraduate degrees from these schools at my shop. The ones we have are great.

But if I were to find out my HR coordinator excluded a kid from Imperial or UCL/Kings because they didn’t know what that was, i would fire this person immediately. Please.

The number of American kids from Oxford/Cambridge outnumber the others by 100-to-1 and you know that.

False.
The data is very easy to look up online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a MD at a large Private equity shop in nyc. We have very few american kids that have undergraduate degrees from these schools at my shop. The ones we have are great.

But if I were to find out my HR coordinator excluded a kid from Imperial or UCL/Kings because they didn’t know what that was, i would fire this person immediately. Please.

The number of American kids from Oxford/Cambridge outnumber the others by 100-to-1 and you know that.

False.
The data is very easy to look up online.

Sorry look it up if it’s so easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curious when you say employers outside the UK consider these universities the best.

Do you mean outside the UK and outside the US?

I doubt most US employers recognize anything beyond Oxford/Cambridge. Maybe they know London School of Economics or St Andrews.

STEM employers know that Imperial College London is the UK equivalent of MIT/CalTech. STEM employers also know that University College London and Cambridge both are in the very top tier globally for CS and ECE.