What happened to W&M, Brandeis, Tulane, Pepperdine and others..from historically T50 to outside looking in?

[Anonymous]

If this thread is any evidence, students who get into both UVA and WM and choose UVA will just move on with life. Those that choose WM will spend their time justifying their choice.

[Anonymous]

I would say it's not any evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If this thread is any evidence, students who get into both UVA and WM and choose UVA will just move on with life. Those that choose WM will spend their time justifying their choice.

Notice how the topic has totally changed and now you're trying to start something. Also lmao are you kidding, the UVA boosters are everywhere on here.

[Mambojambo2024]

I apologize for starting this thread. I truly thought I was the one out of touch. But after reading through, I’ve learned a valuable lesson. The tragedy of it all: little Henry or Olivia might have to endure the unimaginable, an education at a school ranked gasp outside the top 60. How will they ever recover from such a blow to their carefully curated LinkedIn profiles? It seems the only thing standing between some parents and total societal exile is the prestige of a college bumper sticker. After all, it’s all about winning the imaginary game of "Who Raised the Most Ivy League-Adjacent Prodigy." Truly, hats off to the unsung heroes of priorities gone awry.

[Anonymous]

Mambojambo2024 wrote:I apologize for starting this thread. I truly thought I was the one out of touch. But after reading through, I’ve learned a valuable lesson. The tragedy of it all: little Henry or Olivia might have to endure the unimaginable, an education at a school ranked gasp outside the top 60. How will they ever recover from such a blow to their carefully curated LinkedIn profiles? It seems the only thing standing between some parents and total societal exile is the prestige of a college bumper sticker. After all, it’s all about winning the imaginary game of "Who Raised the Most Ivy League-Adjacent Prodigy." Truly, hats off to the unsung heroes of priorities gone awry.

Go back to Europe. Tulane will be t60 again.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, US News no longer cares if colleges offer small classes. It does now care about number of Pell Grant recipients. Those are fine priorities. If they are yours, use current U News as your guide. If they are not, go back 3-4 years and follow those rankings.

This 1000%. While I am very happy if my kid's school supports the Pell Grant Recipients and other lower income students on campus (it's best for our society if we help ensure everyone gets a college degree that wants one), it doesn't affect my kid's education at all. However, taking majority of courses with only 25-40 students has a major impact on my kid's education. It means better access to professors as well (profs know you when you actually have discussions during classes and when the Prof actually has office hours as well rather than 10+ TAs holding various office hours.)

DP. Which school has "10+ TAs holding various office hours? My DC attends a large school and knows all of her professors, and they know her by name as well. I love the fiction that is being created on this thread.

I have a kid at college ranked #150++ a huge state school - all my kids classes have fewer than 30 students except one large seminar required for all honors college students. My kids middle school had bigger classes.

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I also have a kid a large state university and the majority of classes are between 20-40 students. Very, very few are the large auditorium-style classes. I think people who are SLAC boosters have no actual idea of what life is like at a large school.

It’s kind of absurd, really. But a good reminder that a lot of the info here is out of touch with reality.

Most people interested in a lac want 0 large auditorium classes to begin. There is a substantial difference in support for 10 students in a class than 100, a small-medium class at a university.

Thank you for proving the out of touch with reality point. The vast majority of classes at large universities are under 40-50 kids.

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Frankly, a class with only ten students sounds incredibly dull. The sweet spot is 30-50.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If this thread is any evidence, students who get into both UVA and WM and choose UVA will just move on with life. Those that choose WM will spend their time justifying their choice.

Clearly, W&M boosters have become as insufferable as UVA boosters; however, no one on this thread is discussing UVA. Why do you keep bring it up?

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Anonymous wrote:If this thread is any evidence, students who get into both UVA and WM and choose UVA will just move on with life. Those that choose WM will spend their time justifying their choice.

UVA boosters need to get a grip

[Anonymous]

With respect to Brandeis, Pepperdine, Tulane, etc. some schools just improved more.

Tulane is in a city that was devastated by a hurricane and had some bad press. I'm sure that influenced some potential students to look elsewhere, to Emory, etc. Also, Florida and Georgia were not nearly as strong academically as they are now.

Brandeis loses a lot of potential students who are Jewish to other Boston schools like BU and NEU. Supposedly BC has been trying to grow its Jewish student population.


Pepperdine is a religious school and much like Brandeis maybe they are just losing some students who in the past might have considered them due to changing demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With respect to Brandeis, Pepperdine, Tulane, etc. some schools just improved more.

Tulane is in a city that was devastated by a hurricane and had some bad press. I'm sure that influenced some potential students to look elsewhere, to Emory, etc. Also, Florida and Georgia were not nearly as strong academically as they are now.

Brandeis loses a lot of potential students who are Jewish to other Boston schools like BU and NEU. Supposedly BC has been trying to grow its Jewish student population.


Pepperdine is a religious school and much like Brandeis maybe they are just losing some students who in the past might have considered them due to changing demographics.

Improved or not, US News shifts were due to methodology change. Discussions of possible advancement or lack thereof are not pertinent.

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Anonymous wrote:If this thread is any evidence, students who get into both UVA and WM and choose UVA will just move on with life. Those that choose WM will spend their time justifying their choice.

Clearly, W&M boosters have become as insufferable as UVA boosters; however, no one on this thread is discussing UVA. Why do you keep bring it up?

Except for the multiple UVA and Tech boosters taking digs at it of course

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If this thread is any evidence, students who get into both UVA and WM and choose UVA will just move on with life. Those that choose WM will spend their time justifying their choice.

You could say the same thing about the UVA boosters constantly talking about how it's so much better, how W&M is a safety for UVA, Ivy level, yada yada - if it's clearly better you wouldn't need to rub it in everyone's faces 24/7 esp when the stats don't agree with that. Why does every thread that so much as mentions W&M draw a hoard of haters that make their entire DCUM brand attacking it?

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Anonymous wrote:If this thread is any evidence, students who get into both UVA and WM and choose UVA will just move on with life. Those that choose WM will spend their time justifying their choice.

You could say the same thing about the UVA boosters constantly talking about how it's so much better, how W&M is a safety for UVA, Ivy level, yada yada - if it's clearly better you wouldn't need to rub it in everyone's faces 24/7 esp when the stats don't agree with that. Why does every thread that so much as mentions W&M draw a hoard of haters that make their entire DCUM brand attacking it?

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If UVA was that much better they would have 100% submitting test scores and a 1570 median like the ivies but they don't and in fact have the exact same test stats as W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, US News no longer cares if colleges offer small classes. It does now care about number of Pell Grant recipients. Those are fine priorities. If they are yours, use current U News as your guide. If they are not, go back 3-4 years and follow those rankings.

This 1000%. While I am very happy if my kid's school supports the Pell Grant Recipients and other lower income students on campus (it's best for our society if we help ensure everyone gets a college degree that wants one), it doesn't affect my kid's education at all. However, taking majority of courses with only 25-40 students has a major impact on my kid's education. It means better access to professors as well (profs know you when you actually have discussions during classes and when the Prof actually has office hours as well rather than 10+ TAs holding various office hours.)

DP. Which school has "10+ TAs holding various office hours? My DC attends a large school and knows all of her professors, and they know her by name as well. I love the fiction that is being created on this thread.

I have a kid at college ranked #150++ a huge state school - all my kids classes have fewer than 30 students except one large seminar required for all honors college students. My kids middle school had bigger classes.

+1
I also have a kid a large state university and the majority of classes are between 20-40 students. Very, very few are the large auditorium-style classes. I think people who are SLAC boosters have no actual idea of what life is like at a large school.

It’s kind of absurd, really. But a good reminder that a lot of the info here is out of touch with reality.

Most people interested in a lac want 0 large auditorium classes to begin. There is a substantial difference in support for 10 students in a class than 100, a small-medium class at a university.

Thank you for proving the out of touch with reality point. The vast majority of classes at large universities are under 40-50 kids.

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Frankly, a class with only ten students sounds incredibly dull. The sweet spot is 30-50.

Dull? Maybe if your peers are dry as a brick. You all would have died if you had to do a tutorial at Oxford.

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Anonymous wrote:With respect to Brandeis, Pepperdine, Tulane, etc. some schools just improved more.

Tulane is in a city that was devastated by a hurricane and had some bad press. I'm sure that influenced some potential students to look elsewhere, to Emory, etc. Also, Florida and Georgia were not nearly as strong academically as they are now.

Brandeis loses a lot of potential students who are Jewish to other Boston schools like BU and NEU. Supposedly BC has been trying to grow its Jewish student population.


Pepperdine is a religious school and much like Brandeis maybe they are just losing some students who in the past might have considered them due to changing demographics.

Improved or not, US News shifts were due to methodology change. Discussions of possible advancement or lack thereof are not pertinent.

Pepperdine was slipping before usnews ever changed their methodology.