Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

Not even a free teepee or canoe?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms my beliefs that Trump voters are angry and miserable people.

Says the democrat posting repeatedly that Americans are greedy and bad with money because they wear NFL jerseys, have (possibly) a pool, wear $100 shoes, and like to attend local sporting events.

Meanwhile you have Bruce Springsteen and Beyonce urging people to vote democrat.

I bet they both have pools.

Those voting democrat weren’t complaining about the cost of groceries, gas and other basic needs.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the MAGAs going to do when they do mass detention and deportation of illegals and it barely makes a dent in crime -

And in fact, crime goes up because costs go up because a lot of the goods and services we enjoyed that were dependent on their labor goes up...

Define crime. Because coming in illegally is a crime. Driving around without insurance is a crime. Working without a valid i9 and not paying state and federal income tax is a crime. Skipping out on hospital bill payments is a crime. Stealing identities and social security numbers so you can work is a crime. You are on,y looking at a fraction of crimes illegal immigrants commit if you think murders are all that matters.


I bought a brand new car and was hit in less than a week after getting it. The guy who got out to look basically spoke zero English and high tailed it out of there, probably because he had no insurance and was undocumented. Now I, as a law abiding citizen, get screwed because I had to pay to fix everything and my insurance went up because I was hit by an undocumented migrant who had no insurance and broke even more laws by hit and running.

You are an a**.

You simply assume that a brownish criminal is undocumented. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

lol. Everyone in Central America does hit and runs and runs off into the field. “No can prove me driving.”

Hang out in Georgia Ave long enough you’ll see these uninsured illegals who don’t know road rules smack another car and all 5 of them will literally get out and run away. Ditch you and the old krap vehicle they were driving.

Noticed this Montgomery County trend when I did grand jury duty for ten days.

Total lack of respect for or knowledge of basic laws.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms my beliefs that Trump voters are angry and miserable people.

Says the democrat posting repeatedly that Americans are greedy and bad with money because they wear NFL jerseys, have (possibly) a pool, wear $100 shoes, and like to attend local sporting events.

Meanwhile you have Bruce Springsteen and Beyonce urging people to vote democrat.

I bet they both have pools.

Those voting democrat weren’t complaining about the cost of groceries, gas and other basic needs.

VP Kamala Harris in Milwaukee says bringing costs down would be 'highest priority' as president


Vice President Kamala Harris left Milwaukee Saturday with a message to voters here who feel prices are too high to make ends meet.

"My highest priority as president will be to bring down the costs because to that point, look, I know the cost of groceries is too high still," Harris said. "Everyone knows it."

Harris Saturday morning said if she wins, she would take steps including banning price gouging on groceries, giving first-time homebuyers $25,000 downpayment assistance, expanding the child tax credit and increasing tax breaks for small businesses.

She also said one of her top priorities for her first day in office would be to submit a package of proposals focused on bringing down costs.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2024/11/02/vp-kamala-harris-says-bringing-costs-down-would-be-highest-priority/76010385007/

Surrrre. That’s why Kamala said it would be her top priority to bring prices down.

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Anonymous wrote:Won’t it be amazing to know who actually is in then f’in country?

Instead of having 30,000,000+ and growing illegals hanging out in the schools, hospitals, NGOs, crazy drivers.

That is the brilliance of having no one documented; they can act shocked(!) when they realize they let in a serial killer from Venezuela who has murdered no less than 20 people. True story, BTW.

Yes folks, you took can pick ANY country you want, ANY age you want to be, ANY name you want to be called, and ANY destination you’d like a free ride to….

And just walk across the border of the country of your choice, claim a gang murdered your brother and is coming after you, you simply must go live with your 3rd cousin forever. No Id, no birth certificate, no drivers licenses, no worries.

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Anonymous wrote:Won’t it be amazing to know who actually is in then f’in country?

Instead of having 30,000,000+ and growing illegals hanging out in the schools, hospitals, NGOs, crazy drivers.

That is the brilliance of having no one documented; they can act shocked(!) when they realize they let in a serial killer from Venezuela who has murdered no less than 20 people. True story, BTW.

Yes folks, you took can pick ANY country you want, ANY age you want to be, ANY name you want to be called, and ANY destination you’d like a free ride to….

And just walk across the border of the country of your choice, claim a gang murdered your brother and is coming after you, you simply must go live with your 3rd cousin forever. No Id, no birth certificate, no drivers licenses, no worries.

And American citizens will give up their football jerseys, tickets to college football games, and fancy schmancy $100 sneakers to support you. Yay! We did it! We saved the world!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

DP. It is true that a LOT of liberal families employ nannies who hardly speak a word of English and can't drive. I can't imagine turning my children over to someone like that, regardless of what country they're from. The PP's description was spot on.

As for Chinese border crossers - they're illegal immigrants too. Not sure where you're getting the "good immigrants" description from. Illegal is illegal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms my beliefs that Trump voters are angry and miserable people.

Says the democrat posting repeatedly that Americans are greedy and bad with money because they wear NFL jerseys, have (possibly) a pool, wear $100 shoes, and like to attend local sporting events.

Meanwhile you have Bruce Springsteen and Beyonce urging people to vote democrat.

I bet they both have pools.

+100
It's interesting that even after bragging about Bruce Springsteen and Beyonce "helping" the Harris campaign, it turned out no one really cared. Democrats are the most shallow, vapid people. They actually think the quality of celebrities will determine how people vote.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Who is paying for their hotels? Food? Medical care?

Not US taxpayer dollars. Stop spreading lies. It does no one any good.

Emergency Medicaid
Illegal immigrants and their U.S. children are eligible for emergency Medicaid services.

School nutrition
All children, regardless of immigration status, are eligible for free or reduced school lunch.

WIC
The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) is available to all who qualify, regardless of immigration status.

Emergency shelter
Illegal immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

Public health
Illegal immigrants are not restricted from accessing public health programs that provide immunizations and treatment of communicable disease symptoms.

In-kind services
Illegal immigrants may have access to other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, such as medical, public health, and mental health services

The total cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants is unknown because: Illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits.

Officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal alien

All Undocumented Immigrants Now Qualify For Medi-Cal In California. The new year rung in a host of new laws in California, including the expanded Medicaid coverage, nursing home disclosures, mental health measures, LGBTQ+ protections, and more.

Over half of the states have used state funds to provide TANF, Medicaid, and/or CHIP to immigrants who are subject to the five-year bar on federally funded services, or to a broader group of immigrants. A growing number of states and counties provide health coverage to children, young adults, or pregnant persons regardless of their immigration status. Several states offer or will offer health coverage to older adults regardless of their immigration status. And five states (California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington) and the District of Columbia offer or will offer public or private health coverage with state subsidies to all otherwise eligible immigrants regardless of their immigration status.

Where federal matching funds are available, forty-four states have chosen to cover immigrant children and/or pregnant people, or to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status. In 2009, when Congress first reauthorized the CHIP program, states were granted an option to provide federally funded Medicaid and CHIP to “lawfully residing” children and/or pregnant persons regardless of their date of entry into the U.S. As of May 2024, thirty-eight states plus the District of Columbia have opted to take advantage of this federal funding for immigrant health care coverage, which became available on April 1, 2009.

Twenty-two states use or will use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under an option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP. Under this option, the pregnant person’s fetus is technically the recipient of CHIP-funded services. This approach potentially limits the scope of services available to the pregnant person to those directly related to the fetus’s health. However, several states have used another CHIP option or state funds to provide 12 months of post-partum care, regardless of status.

The District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont use state or local funds to provide prenatal care regardless of the pregnant person’s immigration status.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Tax payers fund every program listed.

So this is bad, but spending hundred of millions to build detention facilities where US taxpayers will feed, clothes and houses millions of undocumented workers while there claims are adjudicated is good? Including those who are otherwise providing a societal benefit? And then there is the cost of hiring people to find them and transport them. There is the cost to re-renting their residences with no notice. The cost to re-hiring with no notice. All of this will be farmed out to contractors at an enormous cost, and they will have no incentive to do it quickly if it longer contracts mean more money in their pockets.

This post isn’t about whether undocumented workers should stay in the US. The post is about how to remove them if we are going that route.

Yes, it’s good. We are removing people who are not legally in the US. We are not responsible for them. We should know who is in our country for the safety of our country and our citizens. We are responsible for the safety of our citizens.

We should use our taxpayers dollars to remove illegal immigrants, secure the border, and protect and provide help for American citizens.

If dcum posters have to employ more expensive nannies, landscapers, housekeepers, and general contractors, so be it.

Again, the point of the post isn’t whether to remove them, it’s how. We are using our taxpayer dollars to do it either way.

So why is spending years to build facilities and likely hundreds of millions of dollars to round up and fully care for undocumented immigrants the better alternative? Especially when the cost will go to contractors that charge enormous overhead and have no incentive to expedite the process?

Stopping the inward flow completely is more important and less complicated than rounding up those that are already here. Detain and deport any criminals but otherwise, prioritize securing the border.

So why didn't Democrats do that?

Every Democrat politician wanted open borders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

DP. It is true that a LOT of liberal families employ nannies who hardly speak a word of English and can't drive. I can't imagine turning my children over to someone like that, regardless of what country they're from. The PP's description was spot on.

As for Chinese border crossers - they're illegal immigrants too. Not sure where you're getting the "good immigrants" description from. Illegal is illegal.

Kamala and Joe love the Communists.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Who is paying for their hotels? Food? Medical care?

Not US taxpayer dollars. Stop spreading lies. It does no one any good.

Emergency Medicaid
Illegal immigrants and their U.S. children are eligible for emergency Medicaid services.

School nutrition
All children, regardless of immigration status, are eligible for free or reduced school lunch.

WIC
The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) is available to all who qualify, regardless of immigration status.

Emergency shelter
Illegal immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

Public health
Illegal immigrants are not restricted from accessing public health programs that provide immunizations and treatment of communicable disease symptoms.

In-kind services
Illegal immigrants may have access to other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, such as medical, public health, and mental health services

The total cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants is unknown because: Illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits.

Officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal alien

All Undocumented Immigrants Now Qualify For Medi-Cal In California. The new year rung in a host of new laws in California, including the expanded Medicaid coverage, nursing home disclosures, mental health measures, LGBTQ+ protections, and more.

Over half of the states have used state funds to provide TANF, Medicaid, and/or CHIP to immigrants who are subject to the five-year bar on federally funded services, or to a broader group of immigrants. A growing number of states and counties provide health coverage to children, young adults, or pregnant persons regardless of their immigration status. Several states offer or will offer health coverage to older adults regardless of their immigration status. And five states (California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington) and the District of Columbia offer or will offer public or private health coverage with state subsidies to all otherwise eligible immigrants regardless of their immigration status.

Where federal matching funds are available, forty-four states have chosen to cover immigrant children and/or pregnant people, or to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status. In 2009, when Congress first reauthorized the CHIP program, states were granted an option to provide federally funded Medicaid and CHIP to “lawfully residing” children and/or pregnant persons regardless of their date of entry into the U.S. As of May 2024, thirty-eight states plus the District of Columbia have opted to take advantage of this federal funding for immigrant health care coverage, which became available on April 1, 2009.

Twenty-two states use or will use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under an option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP. Under this option, the pregnant person’s fetus is technically the recipient of CHIP-funded services. This approach potentially limits the scope of services available to the pregnant person to those directly related to the fetus’s health. However, several states have used another CHIP option or state funds to provide 12 months of post-partum care, regardless of status.

The District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont use state or local funds to provide prenatal care regardless of the pregnant person’s immigration status.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Tax payers fund every program listed.

So this is bad, but spending hundred of millions to build detention facilities where US taxpayers will feed, clothes and houses millions of undocumented workers while there claims are adjudicated is good? Including those who are otherwise providing a societal benefit? And then there is the cost of hiring people to find them and transport them. There is the cost to re-renting their residences with no notice. The cost to re-hiring with no notice. All of this will be farmed out to contractors at an enormous cost, and they will have no incentive to do it quickly if it longer contracts mean more money in their pockets.

This post isn’t about whether undocumented workers should stay in the US. The post is about how to remove them if we are going that route.

Yes, it’s good. We are removing people who are not legally in the US. We are not responsible for them. We should know who is in our country for the safety of our country and our citizens. We are responsible for the safety of our citizens.

We should use our taxpayers dollars to remove illegal immigrants, secure the border, and protect and provide help for American citizens.

If dcum posters have to employ more expensive nannies, landscapers, housekeepers, and general contractors, so be it.

Again, the point of the post isn’t whether to remove them, it’s how. We are using our taxpayer dollars to do it either way.

So why is spending years to build facilities and likely hundreds of millions of dollars to round up and fully care for undocumented immigrants the better alternative? Especially when the cost will go to contractors that charge enormous overhead and have no incentive to expedite the process?

Stopping the inward flow completely is more important and less complicated than rounding up those that are already here. Detain and deport any criminals but otherwise, prioritize securing the border.

So why didn't Democrats do that?

Every Democrat politician wanted open borders.

Not true. Bipartisan bill was ready to go and Trump nixed it.

[Anonymous]

Let’s hope they go after all the illegal Hispanics in south Florida

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Who is paying for their hotels? Food? Medical care?

Not US taxpayer dollars. Stop spreading lies. It does no one any good.

Emergency Medicaid
Illegal immigrants and their U.S. children are eligible for emergency Medicaid services.

School nutrition
All children, regardless of immigration status, are eligible for free or reduced school lunch.

WIC
The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) is available to all who qualify, regardless of immigration status.

Emergency shelter
Illegal immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

Public health
Illegal immigrants are not restricted from accessing public health programs that provide immunizations and treatment of communicable disease symptoms.

In-kind services
Illegal immigrants may have access to other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, such as medical, public health, and mental health services

The total cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants is unknown because: Illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits.

Officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal alien

All Undocumented Immigrants Now Qualify For Medi-Cal In California. The new year rung in a host of new laws in California, including the expanded Medicaid coverage, nursing home disclosures, mental health measures, LGBTQ+ protections, and more.

Over half of the states have used state funds to provide TANF, Medicaid, and/or CHIP to immigrants who are subject to the five-year bar on federally funded services, or to a broader group of immigrants. A growing number of states and counties provide health coverage to children, young adults, or pregnant persons regardless of their immigration status. Several states offer or will offer health coverage to older adults regardless of their immigration status. And five states (California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington) and the District of Columbia offer or will offer public or private health coverage with state subsidies to all otherwise eligible immigrants regardless of their immigration status.

Where federal matching funds are available, forty-four states have chosen to cover immigrant children and/or pregnant people, or to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status. In 2009, when Congress first reauthorized the CHIP program, states were granted an option to provide federally funded Medicaid and CHIP to “lawfully residing” children and/or pregnant persons regardless of their date of entry into the U.S. As of May 2024, thirty-eight states plus the District of Columbia have opted to take advantage of this federal funding for immigrant health care coverage, which became available on April 1, 2009.

Twenty-two states use or will use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under an option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP. Under this option, the pregnant person’s fetus is technically the recipient of CHIP-funded services. This approach potentially limits the scope of services available to the pregnant person to those directly related to the fetus’s health. However, several states have used another CHIP option or state funds to provide 12 months of post-partum care, regardless of status.

The District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont use state or local funds to provide prenatal care regardless of the pregnant person’s immigration status.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Tax payers fund every program listed.

So this is bad, but spending hundred of millions to build detention facilities where US taxpayers will feed, clothes and houses millions of undocumented workers while there claims are adjudicated is good? Including those who are otherwise providing a societal benefit? And then there is the cost of hiring people to find them and transport them. There is the cost to re-renting their residences with no notice. The cost to re-hiring with no notice. All of this will be farmed out to contractors at an enormous cost, and they will have no incentive to do it quickly if it longer contracts mean more money in their pockets.

This post isn’t about whether undocumented workers should stay in the US. The post is about how to remove them if we are going that route.

Yes, it’s good. We are removing people who are not legally in the US. We are not responsible for them. We should know who is in our country for the safety of our country and our citizens. We are responsible for the safety of our citizens.

We should use our taxpayers dollars to remove illegal immigrants, secure the border, and protect and provide help for American citizens.

If dcum posters have to employ more expensive nannies, landscapers, housekeepers, and general contractors, so be it.

Again, the point of the post isn’t whether to remove them, it’s how. We are using our taxpayer dollars to do it either way.

So why is spending years to build facilities and likely hundreds of millions of dollars to round up and fully care for undocumented immigrants the better alternative? Especially when the cost will go to contractors that charge enormous overhead and have no incentive to expedite the process?

Stopping the inward flow completely is more important and less complicated than rounding up those that are already here. Detain and deport any criminals but otherwise, prioritize securing the border.

So why didn't Democrats do that?

Every Democrat politician wanted open borders.

Not true. Bipartisan bill was ready to go and Trump nixed it.

Name the Democrat politicians who voted against open borders.