APS budget is unacceptable

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Anonymous wrote:Paying tuition at TJHSST is a ridiculous expense. I had no idea we pay tuition to send kids to a governor’s school.

So you'd rather pay more to educate them in Arlington? And not offer them the best education available at the country's top public high school?
You had no idea....so do a little more investigating about the why's and possible benefits before you jump to a conclusion. And NO - Arlington Tech is NOT the same as the TJHSST program.

I always hear TJ parents making this argument, but it doesn't make sense. APS doesn't expend the exact same amount of money on every kid in the system. Some kids need a lot more supports and cost the county more to educate. Other kids need less. The types of kids who get into TJ are likely not the kids getting extensive SPED, ELL, and other academic supports and probably cost less to educate than the "average" APS student. If APS can absorb those 100 TJ students back into APS high schools and put the extra money towards better advanced math and science programming that is accessible to all APS students, then I wouldn't be upset about APS pulling out of TJ. There are far more kids in APS who need access to better math and science instruction than there are Arlington spots to TJ.

The cost to have the students back in APS spikes if we have to build new facilities. That's 100 mores HS kids.

We are already paying to build out the career center though, so that’s a sunk cost. I don’t think there will be much HS overcrowding when that is done.

TJ is a bit like HBW in the sense that a lot more kids need access to a program like that than APS has spots. So you also need to think of the needs of the kids that are left behind and whether the money saved could serve more kids in APS than the 25 per grade who get the TJ spots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

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This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paying tuition at TJHSST is a ridiculous expense. I had no idea we pay tuition to send kids to a governor’s school.

So you'd rather pay more to educate them in Arlington? And not offer them the best education available at the country's top public high school?
You had no idea....so do a little more investigating about the why's and possible benefits before you jump to a conclusion. And NO - Arlington Tech is NOT the same as the TJHSST program.

I don't like the idea of paying for Arlington school children to go to a different county for schooling. You could always move to Fairfax if that's where you want to go to school.

I don't think you understand the concept of a Governor's School

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

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This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

Why are Arlington teachers advocating for taking a Governors School option from Arlington students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

I think the line item in Duran’s budget presentation put it at 800,000. And that doesn’t consider the costs of bringing those kids back into APS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

Why are Arlington teachers advocating for taking a Governors School option from Arlington students?

It’s just him as far as I’ve seen. Maybe retaliation for VLP getting cut

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

I think the line item in Duran’s budget presentation put it at 800,000. And that doesn’t consider the costs of bringing those kids back into APS.

Do you know what page that is on? I did a search for TJ and didn’t see it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paying tuition at TJHSST is a ridiculous expense. I had no idea we pay tuition to send kids to a governor’s school.

So you'd rather pay more to educate them in Arlington? And not offer them the best education available at the country's top public high school?
You had no idea....so do a little more investigating about the why's and possible benefits before you jump to a conclusion. And NO - Arlington Tech is NOT the same as the TJHSST program.

I always hear TJ parents making this argument, but it doesn't make sense. APS doesn't expend the exact same amount of money on every kid in the system. Some kids need a lot more supports and cost the county more to educate. Other kids need less. The types of kids who get into TJ are likely not the kids getting extensive SPED, ELL, and other academic supports and probably cost less to educate than the "average" APS student. If APS can absorb those 100 TJ students back into APS high schools and put the extra money towards better advanced math and science programming that is accessible to all APS students, then I wouldn't be upset about APS pulling out of TJ. There are far more kids in APS who need access to better math and science instruction than there are Arlington spots to TJ.

The cost to have the students back in APS spikes if we have to build new facilities. That's 100 mores HS kids.

We are already paying to build out the career center though, so that’s a sunk cost. I don’t think there will be much HS overcrowding when that is done.

TJ is a bit like HBW in the sense that a lot more kids need access to a program like that than APS has spots. So you also need to think of the needs of the kids that are left behind and whether the money saved could serve more kids in APS than the 25 per grade who get the TJ spots.

My bet is "no. not by a long shot."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

Why are Arlington teachers advocating for taking a Governors School option from Arlington students?

Because Arlington teachers want more money and smaller classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

I think the line item in Duran’s budget presentation put it at 800,000. And that doesn’t consider the costs of bringing those kids back into APS.

Do you know what page that is on? I did a search for TJ and didn’t see it

+1
And where is the cost for iPads?
and the cost for software?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

That's a lot of money for not very many kids. Even if APS brought back all of the kids from TJ, they wouldn't have to hire 20 teachers. How many kids go to TJ each year, maybe 20 or so? That's not even one HS teacher per grade level. Maybe APS can pay tuition for all the kids who can't read to go to a school that will teach them to read?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

That's a lot of money for not very many kids. Even if APS brought back all of the kids from TJ, they wouldn't have to hire 20 teachers. How many kids go to TJ each year, maybe 20 or so? That's not even one HS teacher per grade level. Maybe APS can pay tuition for all the kids who can't read to go to a school that will teach them to read?

I don’t think those numbers are accurate. This is the virtual learning guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

That's a lot of money for not very many kids. Even if APS brought back all of the kids from TJ, they wouldn't have to hire 20 teachers. How many kids go to TJ each year, maybe 20 or so? That's not even one HS teacher per grade level. Maybe APS can pay tuition for all the kids who can't read to go to a school that will teach them to read?

I don’t think those numbers are accurate. This is the virtual learning guy.

I don't think so either, not that I've been able to find an actual cost anywhere. But if the tuition per student is about $20k, and there re 20 kids per grade, then that's 80 APS students x $20K = $1.6m Is he saying transportation costs $1m?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

That's a lot of money for not very many kids. Even if APS brought back all of the kids from TJ, they wouldn't have to hire 20 teachers. How many kids go to TJ each year, maybe 20 or so? That's not even one HS teacher per grade level. Maybe APS can pay tuition for all the kids who can't read to go to a school that will teach them to read?

APS spends a lot of money for not many kids in the Shriver program, too. And the Langston program. And other programs. Want to eliminate them all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Governor’s schools are partially funded from Richmond. It would be idiotic for us to pay taxes and not get to partake in at least one of of the Governor’s schools.

+1

This is the dumbest line of reasoning. Let’s all list the ways the State spends money and then say Arlington should participate even if it’s more expensive for the county to do it.

Can anyone demonstrate that it's more expensive to send a handful of kids to TJ?

Teacher on AEM says APS spends $2.5 million in tuition for TJHSST which covers about 20 teachers in APS.

That's a lot of money for not very many kids. Even if APS brought back all of the kids from TJ, they wouldn't have to hire 20 teachers. How many kids go to TJ each year, maybe 20 or so? That's not even one HS teacher per grade level. Maybe APS can pay tuition for all the kids who can't read to go to a school that will teach them to read?

APS spends a lot of money for not many kids in the Shriver program, too. And the Langston program. And other programs. Want to eliminate them all?

He wants the TJ kids back in APS so his kids can bully the nerds. Cut their funding and stuff them in a locker!