Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion: Joe Jonas’ narrative about Sophie Turner won’t work

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/opinions/joe-jonas-sophie-turner-divorce-grisafi/index.html

Very interesting article, but credibility was lost with the Britney Spears statement. While mentally ill, she’s been a terrible mother.

I disagree. Now knowing what Britney was going through, there is a more of a chicken and egg question. Yes, she clearly struggles with mental illness, probably issues that she was born with and were made worse by her stardom. But what we know now is that once she had her kids, her father and Kevin and their team were CONSTANTLY threatening to take them from her (and lo behold they did). Even though it's now been established her dad is a really serious alcoholic and Kevin was constantly high.

If someone is credibly and constantly threatening to take your children away, it's not really fair to turn around and say you have MH issues. Because if in that situation you don't take a baseball bat to a car, you are the crazy one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Opinion: Joe Jonas’ narrative about Sophie Turner won’t work

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/opinions/joe-jonas-sophie-turner-divorce-grisafi/index.html

Very interesting article, but credibility was lost with the Britney Spears statement. While mentally ill, she’s been a terrible mother.

I disagree. Now knowing what Britney was going through, there is a more of a chicken and egg question. Yes, she clearly struggles with mental illness, probably issues that she was born with and were made worse by her stardom. But what we know now is that once she had her kids, her father and Kevin and their team were CONSTANTLY threatening to take them from her (and lo behold they did). Even though it's now been established her dad is a really serious alcoholic and Kevin was constantly high.

If someone is credibly and constantly threatening to take your children away, it's not really fair to turn around and say you have MH issues. Because if in that situation you don't take a baseball bat to a car, you are the crazy one.

This is getting off topic, but this is something we don't talk about enough.

We very quickly label people as "crazy" for having very strong emotional responses. We assume sanity means being calm.

But sometimes the calm people are calmly, methodically destroying someone else's life, often using power through legal means or set hierarchy. They are calm because they are in control, and they are in control because they have power and agency.

And then the person they are destroying reacts with a big emotional outburst, and the calm person points and says, "See. Crazy."

I'm glad that Sophie is not reacting to what Joe is doing, at least not publicly, because it's better for her in the long run. But I really wish we'd stop calling people (and especially women) crazy or unstable or, yup, bad moms just because they have understandably strong emotional reactions to people trying to harm them, control them, or take their kids away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He’s probably just striking first to prevent her from being able to take them out of the country.

Remember the actress from Melrose Place and Gossip Girl who basically lost her kids to the foreign father who got them out of the country and smeared her?

I think of her often and its why I would never marry a non-American. Even before that I was terrified by the story that inspired the movie "Not Without My Daughter" where the Iranian father refuses to allow the American mother to take their daughter home from Iran.

Dramatic much? The UK is not Iran.

Neither is France and yet Kelly Rutherford still basically lost her kids. Nope.

DP. I think it was Monaco.

Yes you are right.

I think the Kelly Rutherford child custody battle was a bit more complex. She didn't just "lose" her kids to a foreign father. She may have been involved in him losing his visa, then asked for sole custody. She tried to restrict the father's access to the children and it backfired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He’s probably just striking first to prevent her from being able to take them out of the country.

Remember the actress from Melrose Place and Gossip Girl who basically lost her kids to the foreign father who got them out of the country and smeared her?

I think of her often and its why I would never marry a non-American. Even before that I was terrified by the story that inspired the movie "Not Without My Daughter" where the Iranian father refuses to allow the American mother to take their daughter home from Iran.

Dramatic much? The UK is not Iran.

Neither is France and yet Kelly Rutherford still basically lost her kids. Nope.

DP. I think it was Monaco.

Yes you are right.

I think the Kelly Rutherford child custody battle was a bit more complex. She didn't just "lose" her kids to a foreign father. She may have been involved in him losing his visa, then asked for sole custody. She tried to restrict the father's access to the children and it backfired.

She refused to return them to Monaco to visit their father. There were concerns about her blocking them from seeing him.

I don’t get how his work visa was revoked. Couldn’t the simpler solution be to get him a new one so he could continue to come into the US?

[Anonymous]

…and the tea is starting to spill…

[Anonymous]

She clearly had PPD and he couldn't deal with it. What an ASS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s probably just striking first to prevent her from being able to take them out of the country.

Remember the actress from Melrose Place and Gossip Girl who basically lost her kids to the foreign father who got them out of the country and smeared her?

I think of her often and its why I would never marry a non-American. Even before that I was terrified by the story that inspired the movie "Not Without My Daughter" where the Iranian father refuses to allow the American mother to take their daughter home from Iran.

Dramatic much? The UK is not Iran.

Neither is France and yet Kelly Rutherford still basically lost her kids. Nope.

DP. I think it was Monaco.

Yes you are right.

I think the Kelly Rutherford child custody battle was a bit more complex. She didn't just "lose" her kids to a foreign father. She may have been involved in him losing his visa, then asked for sole custody. She tried to restrict the father's access to the children and it backfired.

Yeah she thought she was so slick trying to ice him out of their kids' lives, but it backfired. She's horrible and those kids are better off with their father, no question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Opinion: Joe Jonas’ narrative about Sophie Turner won’t work

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/opinions/joe-jonas-sophie-turner-divorce-grisafi/index.html

Very interesting article, but credibility was lost with the Britney Spears statement. While mentally ill, she’s been a terrible mother.

I disagree. Now knowing what Britney was going through, there is a more of a chicken and egg question. Yes, she clearly struggles with mental illness, probably issues that she was born with and were made worse by her stardom. But what we know now is that once she had her kids, her father and Kevin and their team were CONSTANTLY threatening to take them from her (and lo behold they did). Even though it's now been established her dad is a really serious alcoholic and Kevin was constantly high.

If someone is credibly and constantly threatening to take your children away, it's not really fair to turn around and say you have MH issues. Because if in that situation you don't take a baseball bat to a car, you are the crazy one.

This is getting off topic, but this is something we don't talk about enough.

We very quickly label people as "crazy" for having very strong emotional responses. We assume sanity means being calm.

But sometimes the calm people are calmly, methodically destroying someone else's life, often using power through legal means or set hierarchy. They are calm because they are in control, and they are in control because they have power and agency.

And then the person they are destroying reacts with a big emotional outburst, and the calm person points and says, "See. Crazy."

I'm glad that Sophie is not reacting to what Joe is doing, at least not publicly, because it's better for her in the long run. But I really wish we'd stop calling people (and especially women) crazy or unstable or, yup, bad moms just because they have understandably strong emotional reactions to people trying to harm them, control them, or take their kids away.

Haha…so maybe calm Sophie is the one destroying Jonas life? I don’t know anything about this people just going by your calm and crazy description.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Opinion: Joe Jonas’ narrative about Sophie Turner won’t work

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/opinions/joe-jonas-sophie-turner-divorce-grisafi/index.html

Very interesting article, but credibility was lost with the Britney Spears statement. While mentally ill, she’s been a terrible mother.

I disagree. Now knowing what Britney was going through, there is a more of a chicken and egg question. Yes, she clearly struggles with mental illness, probably issues that she was born with and were made worse by her stardom. But what we know now is that once she had her kids, her father and Kevin and their team were CONSTANTLY threatening to take them from her (and lo behold they did). Even though it's now been established her dad is a really serious alcoholic and Kevin was constantly high.

If someone is credibly and constantly threatening to take your children away, it's not really fair to turn around and say you have MH issues. Because if in that situation you don't take a baseball bat to a car, you are the crazy one.

This is getting off topic, but this is something we don't talk about enough.

We very quickly label people as "crazy" for having very strong emotional responses. We assume sanity means being calm.

But sometimes the calm people are calmly, methodically destroying someone else's life, often using power through legal means or set hierarchy. They are calm because they are in control, and they are in control because they have power and agency.

And then the person they are destroying reacts with a big emotional outburst, and the calm person points and says, "See. Crazy."

I'm glad that Sophie is not reacting to what Joe is doing, at least not publicly, because it's better for her in the long run. But I really wish we'd stop calling people (and especially women) crazy or unstable or, yup, bad moms just because they have understandably strong emotional reactions to people trying to harm them, control them, or take their kids away.

Haha…so maybe calm Sophie is the one destroying Jonas life? I don’t know anything about this people just going by your calm and crazy description.

No I think Joe is trying to be the calm one, as he tries to manipulate public opinion and smear Sophie. But it's backfiring because Sophie isn't reacting at all. Or if she is, she's doing so in private and only with people who can be trusted no to leak it.

That's the best and only way to deal with someone like this, but you need good, supportive friends and family. Someone like Britney Spears didn't have that, so her messiness was public and exploited by others.

Very glad that it appears Sophie has good support.

[Anonymous]

I think the Kelly Rutherford example is incredibly tragic. I believe she reported her exH to INS because of his connections to drug running. So now her children are being raised by someone who did something serious enough (not outstaying a green card or an “innocent” violation, it was something deemed nat’l security risk) that he was deported and not allowed back in the US. I have never understood her case but it always smacked to me of the days when women had few legal rights.

[Anonymous]

He sounds like Trump - it’s “fake news” if you hear something reported by others. I bet there’s a bombshell that’s going to drop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He sounds like Trump - it’s “fake news” if you hear something reported by others. I bet there’s a bombshell that’s going to drop.

This thread has gone off the rails. Now you are comparing Joe to Trump? Maybe both Joe and Sophie are immature and at fault. Maybe they should have thought longer about bringing two small kids into such a busy lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

The pancake breakfast was so obviously a ploy by Joe. Disgusting. Who brings a 14 month old out to breakfast anyway? And he needed a nanny because he can’t handle the kids on his own of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He sounds like Trump - it’s “fake news” if you hear something reported by others. I bet there’s a bombshell that’s going to drop.

I doubt it. His PR ploy has been very transparent, and the internet has called him out on it. This is his poor attempt at playing coy and pretending the narrative being planted about Sophie isn’t his team’s doing.

[Anonymous]

Come on now, of course people go out to breakfast with their 14 months! You can argue it’s stage but you go about your life with a toddler.