Summer swim absurd age rules

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

If you think the kids setting league records (who also all happen to be older than their age bracket) don’t also do club swim, I have a bridge to sell you.

The point is, they are NOT older than their age bracket; they meet the age requirements for the bracket. The title for the age bracket is misleading. That is your actual beef. To make the full rule the bracket title would be stupid as most people are not too dense to understand it..

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

As a club parent, I would be fine if we could drop summer swim, it’s a time suck on top of the time we are still spending on club practice and meets during the summer. But all the bragging and pride people take in their pool’s summer league placement would disappear because all of that is not based on 8 year old Larla on the team for the first time, it’s based on the fast club kids.

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

Except every summer league in this area has the same rule. Can you find one that ages kids up on their birthday? All of the local leagues rules are available. There was even a post on this board last year with a link to all of them.

How would aging up on their birthday work for kids who turn 9 the week before divisionals? Tough luck for them? What about between divisionals and all stars? How does a team handle kids who turn 9 between meets and don't have any times in 50s? The coach just gets to decide who is faster? The kids just have to wait a few weeks and swim B meets to get times?

Please explain how it would work for kids who would age up between divisional relays and all star relays? They just don't get to swim? Those teams get dropped?

You've clearly never been a team rep if you think this would no cause a massive amount of work, complaining, and problems.

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

Except every summer league in this area has the same rule. Can you find one that ages kids up on their birthday? All of the local leagues rules are available. There was even a post on this board last year with a link to all of them.

How would aging up on their birthday work for kids who turn 9 the week before divisionals? Tough luck for them? What about between divisionals and all stars? How does a team handle kids who turn 9 between meets and don't have any times in 50s? The coach just gets to decide who is faster? The kids just have to wait a few weeks and swim B meets to get times?

Please explain how it would work for kids who would age up between divisional relays and all star relays? They just don't get to swim? Those teams get dropped?

You've clearly never been a team rep if you think this would no cause a massive amount of work, complaining, and problems.

Kids who age up before JOs - swim their correct age. Kids who age up before Zones - swim their correct age.

Many swim teams let kids swim up to get times in the 50s and 100 IM. That's why the top times list breaks those 9/10 50 and 100 IM times out separately.

Kids age up, they get replaced on the relay. Same way they do in winter swim. Same way they get replaced if they go on vacation, which many do.

You're reaching for logistical reasons that summer swim in this area magically can't work like the rest of swimming works EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Just admit you want your kid to be advantaged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

I would guess that summer swim teams are the majority of teams in the country. Club swim isn’t the entirety of the swim community.

LOL, what??? Summer rec league swimming is not the "majority" of teams in the country. Do you have any idea how huge USA Swimming is? What are you even talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

Only in year round swim. Because it is year round it makes sense that is how age rules work.

Across the country pretty much all major summer swim leagues have a similar rule as NVSL and MCSL.

I know you NVSL people think you're the center of the universe, but no, the rest of the country does not run exactly like NVSL.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

I would guess that summer swim teams are the majority of teams in the country. Club swim isn’t the entirety of the swim community.

LOL, what??? Summer rec league swimming is not the "majority" of teams in the country. Do you have any idea how huge USA Swimming is? What are you even talking about?

USA swimming says they have 2500 teams in the whole country, and average of 50 per state. NVSL alone has more than 100. Add that to every other summer rec swim team? Yep, I'll bet it's way more than 2500.

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

Only in year round swim. Because it is year round it makes sense that is how age rules work.

Across the country pretty much all major summer swim leagues have a similar rule as NVSL and MCSL.

I know you NVSL people think you're the center of the universe, but no, the rest of the country does not run exactly like NVSL.

Now it’s just clear you’re either an idiot or a troll. Find a major summer swim league that ages kids up on their birthday. Their was a thread last year that named numerous, including the largest, that all use the same rule

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

Except every summer league in this area has the same rule. Can you find one that ages kids up on their birthday? All of the local leagues rules are available. There was even a post on this board last year with a link to all of them.

How would aging up on their birthday work for kids who turn 9 the week before divisionals? Tough luck for them? What about between divisionals and all stars? How does a team handle kids who turn 9 between meets and don't have any times in 50s? The coach just gets to decide who is faster? The kids just have to wait a few weeks and swim B meets to get times?

Please explain how it would work for kids who would age up between divisional relays and all star relays? They just don't get to swim? Those teams get dropped?

You've clearly never been a team rep if you think this would no cause a massive amount of work, complaining, and problems.

Kids who age up before JOs - swim their correct age. Kids who age up before Zones - swim their correct age.

Many swim teams let kids swim up to get times in the 50s and 100 IM. That's why the top times list breaks those 9/10 50 and 100 IM times out separately.

Kids age up, they get replaced on the relay. Same way they do in winter swim. Same way they get replaced if they go on vacation, which many do.

You're reaching for logistical reasons that summer swim in this area magically can't work like the rest of swimming works EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Just admit you want your kid to be advantaged.

Except it isn't everywhere else. You've been told that over and over again. You are 100% wrong on this. Can you find a single summer swim league that works the way you want it to? You keep trying to pretend this is club swim. It's not. Club swim is an individual sport. Summer swim is a team sport.

And yes, there are huge logistical issues. You can't just wave a magic wand and pretend they don't exist because your kid has a May birthday. "Many" kids don't go on vacation between divisional relays and all star relays. The rules state you can only replace one kid. So you want to change that rule too? Lets say all 4 kids age up between divisionals and all star relays. Why should a team made of 4 slower swimmers still get into All Stars? How would you handle that?

And I have LOL that you think my kid is advantaged. Actually, my kid was literally the most "disadvantaged" by this rule this year. My kid just missed being an All Star and they have a winter birthday. Almost certainly some of the kids above them were "overage". I guess I should be ranting about changing the rule, right? Except my kid missed the cut fair and square and the kids above them aren't overage. Everyone follows the same rules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

As a club parent, I would be fine if we could drop summer swim, it’s a time suck on top of the time we are still spending on club practice and meets during the summer. But all the bragging and pride people take in their pool’s summer league placement would disappear because all of that is not based on 8 year old Larla on the team for the first time, it’s based on the fast club kids.

YOU CAN drop summer swim.

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

Only in year round swim. Because it is year round it makes sense that is how age rules work.

Across the country pretty much all major summer swim leagues have a similar rule as NVSL and MCSL.

I know you NVSL people think you're the center of the universe, but no, the rest of the country does not run exactly like NVSL.

This is correct. There is a summer swim team league where I live and it’s super casual - no one is seeded, no need to sign up ahead of time for events or be told what to swim - your kid can swim every single event back to back if they wanted. There is one timer per lane and parents or siblings volunteer on the spot, no signups or deposits. My kids are club swimmers and they love to go back and help out by timing, announcing, and corralling the little kids. All the kids on the honor system to enter the right event. Lifeguards race the kids in a pool noodle race at the end of the meet. It ends with pizza and ice cream. There’s never any drama, just smiles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

As a club parent, I would be fine if we could drop summer swim, it’s a time suck on top of the time we are still spending on club practice and meets during the summer. But all the bragging and pride people take in their pool’s summer league placement would disappear because all of that is not based on 8 year old Larla on the team for the first time, it’s based on the fast club kids.

YOU CAN drop summer swim.

I would drop it in a second, but my kid enjoys it. Plus the crap we would get from our pool because my kid is a top point earner would be annoying. In reality the pool cares way more about whether my club swimmer participates than the kid who won’t ever sniff an A meet. Summer swim in this area is what it is, which is why the club swimmers will never be barred from participating.

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

As a club parent, I would be fine if we could drop summer swim, it’s a time suck on top of the time we are still spending on club practice and meets during the summer. But all the bragging and pride people take in their pool’s summer league placement would disappear because all of that is not based on 8 year old Larla on the team for the first time, it’s based on the fast club kids.

YOU CAN drop summer swim.

I would drop it in a second, but my kid enjoys it. Plus the crap we would get from our pool because my kid is a top point earner would be annoying. In reality the pool cares way more about whether my club swimmer participates than the kid who won’t ever sniff an A meet. Summer swim in this area is what it is, which is why the club swimmers will never be barred from participating.

The pool is an inanimate object.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:would it make people feel better if instead of the category being named 11-12, it was, say, "age 11 or 12 as of June 1 of this year" or even "born between June 1, 2010 and May 31, 2012"?

It would make people feel better if summer swim worked like year round swim.

[The vast majority of people doing summer swim don't do year round swim. [/b]Kids who do already have huge advantages. Why would we change a system that works to accommodate them?

Frankly, I think it would be great if summer swim worked like many other sports. If you do club you can't do rec. You have to choose.

We just had all stars. Almost everyone at all stars is a club swimmer. So you have club swimmers above the age bracket dominating club swimmers who are within the age bracket.

Except they are not above the age bracket. Unless you don’t understand his rules work. Like someone much earlier said, hockey has a similar rule. The age cutoff is January but the spring tournament season goes though March. No one complains there that 11 year olds play in a 10u tournament even. And that’s a 3 month gap.

Because most people know how rules work. Just because NVSL and MCSl and every other summer swim league calls their level 9-10, the rules clearly specify that includes kids with birthdays until early June. If you can’t read the rules and understand how they work, no one can help you.

Except that’s now how swimming works in the entirety of the swim community and across the country.

Only in year round swim. Because it is year round it makes sense that is how age rules work.

Across the country pretty much all major summer swim leagues have a similar rule as NVSL and MCSL.

I know you NVSL people think you're the center of the universe, but no, the rest of the country does not run exactly like NVSL.

This is correct. There is a summer swim team league where I live and it’s super casual - no one is seeded, no need to sign up ahead of time for events or be told what to swim - your kid can swim every single event back to back if they wanted. There is one timer per lane and parents or siblings volunteer on the spot, no signups or deposits. My kids are club swimmers and they love to go back and help out by timing, announcing, and corralling the little kids. All the kids on the honor system to enter the right event. Lifeguards race the kids in a pool noodle race at the end of the meet. It ends with pizza and ice cream. There’s never any drama, just smiles.

No one said all summer swim runs exactly the same way. They said that most summer swim don't have kids age up on their birthday. Are you saying that your pool runs like USA swimming in that particular way?

[Anonymous]

Take some responsibility, OP. You should have timed the birth of your kids better for summer swim.