Parking no longer free on Saturdays in MoCo lots starting 7/8/23

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Your move. You might have noticed we’re bleeding jobs and not building housing so we’re moving further away from your goal not closer to it, even though planning and the council have embraced your mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Your move. You might have noticed we’re bleeding jobs and not building housing so we’re moving further away from your goal not closer to it, even though planning and the council have embraced your mindset.

No, they haven't. They have said many words. They haven't done much. We need to start doing.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Your move. You might have noticed we’re bleeding jobs and not building housing so we’re moving further away from your goal not closer to it, even though planning and the council have embraced your mindset.

No, they haven't. They have said many words. They haven't done much. We need to start doing.

They’re your people. They’ve prevailed in every land use matter before the council since at least 2010. Own the results of your advocacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Your move. You might have noticed we’re bleeding jobs and not building housing so we’re moving further away from your goal not closer to it, even though planning and the council have embraced your mindset.

No, they haven't. They have said many words. They haven't done much. We need to start doing.

They’re your people. They’ve prevailed in every land use matter before the council since at least 2010. Own the results of your advocacy.

"You" who? They're not my people. They're taking teeny, tiny steps, and even those teeny, tiny steps are horrifying the NO CHANGE EVER NO NO NO people.

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Millions of us left high-tax states like Maryland after our children finished high school. Life is soooo good now.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Your move. You might have noticed we’re bleeding jobs and not building housing so we’re moving further away from your goal not closer to it, even though planning and the council have embraced your mindset.

No, they haven't. They have said many words. They haven't done much. We need to start doing.

They’re your people. They’ve prevailed in every land use matter before the council since at least 2010. Own the results of your advocacy.

"You" who? They're not my people. They're taking teeny, tiny steps, and even those teeny, tiny steps are horrifying the NO CHANGE EVER NO NO NO people.

A lot of local urbanists lined up behind Riemer, wanted him to run planning, and continue to venerate him. So, yeah, they’re your people. The no change people are a minority every time and they rarely win.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Dude, your ignorance about urban planning is astounding. That's not how transit works. Nobody here agrees with you, go away. lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

So drive EVs.

That's what they're telling us. Problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Explain how you're gonna live in a world with 2 degrees C of warming. What you want - continued everyone driving everywhere for everything - you can't have.