Parking no longer free on Saturdays in MoCo lots starting 7/8/23

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

So drive EVs.

That's what they're telling us. Problem solved.

No. Really no. Just no. No, it's not. No.

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Anonymous wrote:Millions of us left high-tax states like Maryland after our children finished high school. Life is soooo good now.

Life is sooooo good now, and yet here you still are, posting on DCUM about Maryland?

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Dude, your ignorance about urban planning is astounding. That's not how transit works. Nobody here agrees with you, go away. lol.

Oh please enlighten us master planner.


Nobody here cares about you crappy little appsetment, your whining you can't afford a home, and your stupid desire to ride a bike.

You hate the burbs, so move. Mind warping you expect the world to change for you because you dislike your personal choice to live in suburbia.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Explain how you're gonna live in a world with 2 degrees C of warming. What you want - continued everyone driving everywhere for everything - you can't have.

Omg. I bet you get drunk off Greta's bathwater everynight.

Listen up everyone....we have a grand morality god here to tell us what we can or can't do with our lives. It's so wonderful they get to decide what is right for everyone!

Olney people - no driving to get to work for you! You will take the bus whether it takes you 4 hours or not to go to work in Bethesda! Increasing the global temperature by 0.0003 degrees is punishable by death!

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Explain how you're gonna live in a world with 2 degrees C of warming. What you want - continued everyone driving everywhere for everything - you can't have.

Omg. I bet you get drunk off Greta's bathwater everynight.

Listen up everyone....we have a grand morality god here to tell us what we can or can't do with our lives. It's so wonderful they get to decide what is right for everyone!

Olney people - no driving to get to work for you! You will take the bus whether it takes you 4 hours or not to go to work in Bethesda! Increasing the global temperature by 0.0003 degrees is punishable by death!

Dude, it's not me telling you what you can or can't do with your lives. It's physics. The world is heating up disastrously, whether or not you believe in human-caused climate change, just like you'll fall off a cliff, whether or not you believe in gravity.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Dude, your ignorance about urban planning is astounding. That's not how transit works. Nobody here agrees with you, go away. lol.

Oh please enlighten us master planner.


Nobody here cares about you crappy little appsetment, your whining you can't afford a home, and your stupid desire to ride a bike.

You hate the burbs, so move. Mind warping you expect the world to change for you because you dislike your personal choice to live in suburbia.

Guarantee I make more $$$ than you, that's why I live in a nice city, not some run down generic suburban cheaply-made home. Cities are expensive because rich people like to live in them Basic Econ brah.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Dude, your ignorance about urban planning is astounding. That's not how transit works. Nobody here agrees with you, go away. lol.

Oh please enlighten us master planner.


Nobody here cares about you crappy little appsetment, your whining you can't afford a home, and your stupid desire to ride a bike.

You hate the burbs, so move. Mind warping you expect the world to change for you because you dislike your personal choice to live in suburbia.

You're a sad, angry little man. Go make some friends and lower your blood pressure. You aren't convincing anyone here, why waste your time? You are probably old, so won't be here much longer. Spend the last times of your life in happier circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Dude, your ignorance about urban planning is astounding. That's not how transit works. Nobody here agrees with you, go away. lol.

Oh please enlighten us master planner.


Nobody here cares about you crappy little appsetment, your whining you can't afford a home, and your stupid desire to ride a bike.

You hate the burbs, so move. Mind warping you expect the world to change for you because you dislike your personal choice to live in suburbia.

You're a sad, angry little man. Go make some friends and lower your blood pressure. You aren't convincing anyone here, why waste your time? You are probably old, so won't be here much longer. Spend the last times of your life in happier circumstances.

So based on your latest series of posts, you're sexist, classist, AND ageist.

Lol, no wonder why no one likes you toxic bicycling dbags.

Hear that poor Olney people? Stop being poor. Do your part for the environment..get better jobs and bootstrap!! You need to do better so you can afford an apartment where you can live with swanky city life that has walkable amenities.

Stop being poor so you don't need cars!

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Four hours on transit? It's 13 miles from the Starbucks in the Giant in Olney, to the Starbucks on Wisconsin Avenue in downtown Bethesda. You can comfortably travel that distance in an hour by bike (regular bike, not e-bike), or in about 4 hours on foot. At this time of day, which is not peak, it's about an hour by bus, including a transfer: Y2 to Wheaton, 34 to Bethesda. In my experience, people who drive everywhere tend to overestimate how far everything is if you're not in a car.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Dude, your ignorance about urban planning is astounding. That's not how transit works. Nobody here agrees with you, go away. lol.

Oh please enlighten us master planner.


Nobody here cares about you crappy little appsetment, your whining you can't afford a home, and your stupid desire to ride a bike.

You hate the burbs, so move. Mind warping you expect the world to change for you because you dislike your personal choice to live in suburbia.

You're a sad, angry little man. Go make some friends and lower your blood pressure. You aren't convincing anyone here, why waste your time? You are probably old, so won't be here much longer. Spend the last times of your life in happier circumstances.

So based on your latest series of posts, you're sexist, classist, AND ageist.

Lol, no wonder why no one likes you toxic bicycling dbags.

Hear that poor Olney people? Stop being poor. Do your part for the environment..get better jobs and bootstrap!! You need to do better so you can afford an apartment where you can live with swanky city life that has walkable amenities.

Stop being poor so you don't need cars!

I'm guessing a lot of "poor Olney people" would probably love to be able to stop spending such a huge fraction of their income on car transportation, and/or be able to live somewhere (not Olney) where they could get by with fewer or no cars. Actually I'm guessing a lot of non-poor "Olney people" would also love to have the extra money in their budget from being able to get by with one car per household, instead of one car per driver.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Four hours on transit? It's 13 miles from the Starbucks in the Giant in Olney, to the Starbucks on Wisconsin Avenue in downtown Bethesda. You can comfortably travel that distance in an hour by bike (regular bike, not e-bike), or in about 4 hours on foot. At this time of day, which is not peak, it's about an hour by bus, including a transfer: Y2 to Wheaton, 34 to Bethesda. In my experience, people who drive everywhere tend to overestimate how far everything is if you're not in a car.

No one wants to spend 2 hours traveling round trip between Olney and Bethesda when that can be done in an hour or less by car. That's wasting 250 hours of time per year in transit alone if you had to do that every week.

I'm driving.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Four hours on transit? It's 13 miles from the Starbucks in the Giant in Olney, to the Starbucks on Wisconsin Avenue in downtown Bethesda. You can comfortably travel that distance in an hour by bike (regular bike, not e-bike), or in about 4 hours on foot. At this time of day, which is not peak, it's about an hour by bus, including a transfer: Y2 to Wheaton, 34 to Bethesda. In my experience, people who drive everywhere tend to overestimate how far everything is if you're not in a car.

No one wants to spend 2 hours traveling round trip between Olney and Bethesda when that can be done in an hour or less by car. That's wasting 250 hours of time per year in transit alone if you had to do that every week.

I'm driving.

Who's stopping you? Nobody. If you think driving works the best for you, then go ahead and drive.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Four hours on transit? It's 13 miles from the Starbucks in the Giant in Olney, to the Starbucks on Wisconsin Avenue in downtown Bethesda. You can comfortably travel that distance in an hour by bike (regular bike, not e-bike), or in about 4 hours on foot. At this time of day, which is not peak, it's about an hour by bus, including a transfer: Y2 to Wheaton, 34 to Bethesda. In my experience, people who drive everywhere tend to overestimate how far everything is if you're not in a car.

No one wants to spend 2 hours traveling round trip between Olney and Bethesda when that can be done in an hour or less by car. That's wasting 250 hours of time per year in transit alone if you had to do that every week.

I'm driving.

Who's stopping you? Nobody. If you think driving works the best for you, then go ahead and drive.

apparently the couple buck for parking? some people are just weird. they'll drive a $60,000 car and a few dollars for parking is where they draw the line.

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Anonymous wrote:Libraries are free. So should parking.

You do not have to pay extra to park at a library, so you're all set. You do have to pay extra to take a bus to the library, though. Which does raise questions about what we're subsidizing, whom we're subsidizing, and why.

No, I mean actual use of libraries is free, therefore it should also be free for parking in the county. It's just another service the county provides just like libraries.

What other county services should be free? Buses? Swimming pools? Garbage pick-up? Construction permits? Canoe rentals? Summer camps? All of these should be paid for out of general revenue, like libraries? Hey, maybe there shouldn't even be property taxes? Why shouldn't owning property be free?

Yes to all.

You pay taxes for something, they spend it, therefore open to public use. You can't make libraries free then demand parking should be charged even though you're using taxpayer dollars to build that infrastructure. Buses are free in Baltimore. They figured out how to do it, so why can't MoCo?

And your last point is dumb. Property is private and allowed to be owned by individuals according to the constitution. People pay money, they get to own land. That's not using tax dollars.

Wow. Well. If we're getting rid of every government user fee, that will lead to a lot of changes. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, just so you can park for "free" in a county-owned garage in downtown Bethesda on a Saturday afternoon.

Start charging for library access then, just like gym memberships. Why should I pay for other to rent DVDs for their entiertainment, for them to have a place to fart around all day on the internet for free, and to read books? I don't use that, therefore people who use should pay too.

Also, let's put tolls on every road! Why should I pay for a road for you to drive on? I don't use that road.

I’d be happy to pay tolls on every road (ideally congestion sensitive tolls) as long as I no longer have to pay taxes for roads, schools, planning, recreation centers, or anything down county. Let’s just privatize everything while we’re at it. But I’m a grown-up and realize it doesn’t work that way.

As it is, your crowd has already made commuting here harder, and as you’ve done so, the county’s economy has tanked. I think there’s a causal effect.

Do you mean "driving"? The only thing that's made driving harder is other drivers.

No, I mean commuting. Especially driving. You’ve succeeded in making driving miserable with your road diets and refusal to expand roads after you advocate for all of that new housing far away from jobs but you haven’t delivered viable alternatives.

Ah, commuting. Which can be done in many ways that don't involve driving and parking! So I guess you do mean driving.

I said especially driving. The alternatives aren’t viable for most people, so they’re not solutions.

I have an idea! Let's make transit, walking, and biking viable for more people!

Let’s see your master plan for doing so. It also has to be economically viable and not pie in the sky crap that’ll turn into an albatross that constantly needs to be bailed out by taxpayers. Let’s see how you plan to get everyone from areas like Clarksville, Brookeville, Damascus, and Germantown to areas like SS or Bethesda for their jobs without public transit taking 3 hours each way snd multiple bus and rail connections. Can’t wait to hear!

Clarksville is in Howard County. Also, there is no need to get EVERYONE to work without a car. Also, most of the trips people make aren't to and from work. Also, pies in the sky can't turn into albatrosses. Also, you know what really, really, really isn't economically viable? Continuing to do what we've been doing. We're only just approaching 1.5 degrees C of warming, and the economic costs are already huge. Every tenth of a degree of warming will be even worse. What you want will guarantee disaster. What I want will possibly avoid disaster.

Obviously I meant Clarksburg (stupid auto correct), but I digress.

Thanks for admitting finally that you know it is impossible to get everyone to and from their jobs for large swaths of the couty using public transportation that is economically viable and won't go bankrupt.

Love to see how it'll work in action for SS, Bethesda, Rockville, etc. They already got the metro and the metro has ghastly finances, constantly breaks down, and is ways delayed. Buses between them take forever. Love to see how'd you build more rails etc. when the county can barely make the purple line and it costing billions in overrun costs.

Explain how you're gonna shuttle alllll those people in Olney down to their govt jobs in Bethesda and SS without public transit taking 4 hours. Can't wait to hear!

Four hours on transit? It's 13 miles from the Starbucks in the Giant in Olney, to the Starbucks on Wisconsin Avenue in downtown Bethesda. You can comfortably travel that distance in an hour by bike (regular bike, not e-bike), or in about 4 hours on foot. At this time of day, which is not peak, it's about an hour by bus, including a transfer: Y2 to Wheaton, 34 to Bethesda. In my experience, people who drive everywhere tend to overestimate how far everything is if you're not in a car.

No one wants to spend 2 hours traveling round trip between Olney and Bethesda when that can be done in an hour or less by car. That's wasting 250 hours of time per year in transit alone if you had to do that every week.

I'm driving.

And driving to downtown DC back to the outer burbs takes way longer than Metro during rush hour. You have no point here, champ. lol

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In this thread: old angry car owners who want the poor to subsidize their SUVs. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on folks.