TJ College Admissions Results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rabid DCUM parents and troll warriors need to back off and just let these kids enjoy their senioritis.

Agree!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kids who don’t share are ridiculous. First, by not sharing they draw attention to themselves, which supposedly they don’t want. If it turns out they have a great option, but “don’t want to hurt the feelings of others,” they look like a snob - like hyper-competitive kids expect/need protection from their peers. If they have an OK option, they’ve brought extra attention to their choice and signaled their disappointment with it. Second, this information gets around anyway through gossip, LinkedIn, and other sources. Just own your result!

WTF? As a TJ senior parent I know no one at TJ is pulling that kind of crap. They have an entire student run system setup to share their results. they all post their SAT/ACT, gpa, schools they applied to, result of their application and final destination.This was setup a while back to guide the next class. My DC knows where everyone else is going. They own their result alright and probably better than anyone else.

Last year, just about 90 students shared the details through the internal system. How many shared this year? I'm sure it's also far from "all".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:mom of a current tj senior. not that many ivy + ivy adjacent acceptances this year, but a TON of kids on waitlists. so may 1 won't bring you all the clarity you're desiring. it will be a few weeks or even into the summer.

Is the info from the tjhsst destination website?

[Anonymous]

Can you share a link to this destination website?

[Anonymous]

I was reading these posts about the Ivy League/Stanford not taking as many TJ grads. The trend is clear and it should not be surprising given the decision of the Ivy League and Stanford (and many other elite colleges) to go test optional, and to take at least 1/3 or so of their admissions classes from HS graduates who don't report (aka they don't want to report) their SAT/ACT scores.

The reason these schools have gone test optional started with Covid, but it has continued with the Harvard Supreme Court case alleging that Harvard is discriminating against Asian students in admissions decisions. The primary evidence against Harvard is SAT scores. Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League anticipate losing this case and they know that the only way for them to continue to racially balance their classes without being sued again is to deemphasize standardized tests.

Why? Because whites and especially Asians, ON AVERAGE, score significantly higher than Blacks and non-white white Hispanics on standardized tests. The assumption of these schools and their administrators is that these tests must somehow be racist against these low-scoring groups. This Ivy trend of deemphasizing testing has been going on for years.

Because the TJ classes of this year and past years were required to take standardized tests to be admitted to TJ, and have historically scored well on these tests, their historical admittance rates to these top schools were based on their high test scores. With these scores being deemphasized, the TJ admittance rates to top schools have been falling.

But not all colleges are playing along with this Ivy League trend of deemphasizing standardized tests and bypassing TJ grads. The University of Chicago in particular has stepped into the breach and is taking as many if not more TJ students than it dis historically.

Word is there are at least 15 TJHSST University of Chicago admits this year and their were 14/15 last year. One of the TJ parents heard directly from an admissions officer at UC that they are aware of the current trend of Ivy League freezing out TJ grads (and grads from other magnet schools) and are specifically focusing on grabbing up these top students.

It shouldn't be that surprising as University of Chicago has historically, placed a high emphasis on standardized tests. The college with the highest average SAT/ACT scores is not MIT or Caltech, and certainly not Harvard, or Yale or Princeton but instead the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago's decision should not be completely surprising given its history. In particular, in the early part of the 20th century Chicago refused to play along with the Ivy league and their self-imposed "Jewish quota" effort to boycott admitting Jewish HS graduates, with the University of Chicago taking many brilliant Jewish students that the Ivy League passed over.

[Anonymous]

These elite private schools are very expensive so many top TJ students are going to lower ranked schools that give them merit aid since most of them plan to go to graduate school anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think some kids are not sharing their elite acceptances for some reason? Could that be why the numbers appear bad so far?

I don’t think so. TJ kids (and parents) are hypercompetitive types. Like Iceman in the original Top Gun. You know what I mean.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was reading these posts about the Ivy League/Stanford not taking as many TJ grads. The trend is clear and it should not be surprising given the decision of the Ivy League and Stanford (and many other elite colleges) to go test optional, and to take at least 1/3 or so of their admissions classes from HS graduates who don't report (aka they don't want to report) their SAT/ACT scores.

The reason these schools have gone test optional started with Covid, but it has continued with the Harvard Supreme Court case alleging that Harvard is discriminating against Asian students in admissions decisions. The primary evidence against Harvard is SAT scores. Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League anticipate losing this case and they know that the only way for them to continue to racially balance their classes without being sued again is to deemphasize standardized tests.

Why? Because whites and especially Asians, ON AVERAGE, score significantly higher than Blacks and non-white white Hispanics on standardized tests. The assumption of these schools and their administrators is that these tests must somehow be racist against these low-scoring groups. This Ivy trend of deemphasizing testing has been going on for years.

Because the TJ classes of this year and past years were required to take standardized tests to be admitted to TJ, and have historically scored well on these tests, their historical admittance rates to these top schools were based on their high test scores. With these scores being deemphasized, the TJ admittance rates to top schools have been falling.

But not all colleges are playing along with this Ivy League trend of deemphasizing standardized tests and bypassing TJ grads. The University of Chicago in particular has stepped into the breach and is taking as many if not more TJ students than it dis historically.

Word is there are at least 15 TJHSST University of Chicago admits this year and their were 14/15 last year. One of the TJ parents heard directly from an admissions officer at UC that they are aware of the current trend of Ivy League freezing out TJ grads (and grads from other magnet schools) and are specifically focusing on grabbing up these top students.

It shouldn't be that surprising as University of Chicago has historically, placed a high emphasis on standardized tests. The college with the highest average SAT/ACT scores is not MIT or Caltech, and certainly not Harvard, or Yale or Princeton but instead the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago's decision should not be completely surprising given its history. In particular, in the early part of the 20th century Chicago refused to play along with the Ivy league and their self-imposed "Jewish quota" effort to boycott admitting Jewish HS graduates, with the University of Chicago taking many brilliant Jewish students that the Ivy League passed over.

I agree that deemphasizing standardized tests is no good news for the average TJ kids, who do not have the top class ranks or GPAs but easily score 1550 and above for SAT. This is particularly brutal given that all the colleges said that they will only compare applicants from the same high schools, and not to other high schools, since course offerings and grading schemes differ. Effectively TJ top kids will sweep through and the lower ranked kids will suffer with nothing going for them. Teacher and counselor recommendations will not help since they too will also compare kids within the same TJ class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was reading these posts about the Ivy League/Stanford not taking as many TJ grads. The trend is clear and it should not be surprising given the decision of the Ivy League and Stanford (and many other elite colleges) to go test optional, and to take at least 1/3 or so of their admissions classes from HS graduates who don't report (aka they don't want to report) their SAT/ACT scores.

The reason these schools have gone test optional started with Covid, but it has continued with the Harvard Supreme Court case alleging that Harvard is discriminating against Asian students in admissions decisions. The primary evidence against Harvard is SAT scores. Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League anticipate losing this case and they know that the only way for them to continue to racially balance their classes without being sued again is to deemphasize standardized tests.

Why? Because whites and especially Asians, ON AVERAGE, score significantly higher than Blacks and non-white white Hispanics on standardized tests. The assumption of these schools and their administrators is that these tests must somehow be racist against these low-scoring groups. This Ivy trend of deemphasizing testing has been going on for years.

Because the TJ classes of this year and past years were required to take standardized tests to be admitted to TJ, and have historically scored well on these tests, their historical admittance rates to these top schools were based on their high test scores. With these scores being deemphasized, the TJ admittance rates to top schools have been falling.

But not all colleges are playing along with this Ivy League trend of deemphasizing standardized tests and bypassing TJ grads. The University of Chicago in particular has stepped into the breach and is taking as many if not more TJ students than it dis historically.

Word is there are at least 15 TJHSST University of Chicago admits this year and their were 14/15 last year. One of the TJ parents heard directly from an admissions officer at UC that they are aware of the current trend of Ivy League freezing out TJ grads (and grads from other magnet schools) and are specifically focusing on grabbing up these top students.

It shouldn't be that surprising as University of Chicago has historically, placed a high emphasis on standardized tests. The college with the highest average SAT/ACT scores is not MIT or Caltech, and certainly not Harvard, or Yale or Princeton but instead the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago's decision should not be completely surprising given its history. In particular, in the early part of the 20th century Chicago refused to play along with the Ivy league and their self-imposed "Jewish quota" effort to boycott admitting Jewish HS graduates, with the University of Chicago taking many brilliant Jewish students that the Ivy League passed over.

You have to appreciate that even if Chicago has the highest average, it is only like 10 or 20 points...especially, since the TO schools are only getting super-high test scores from kids that report.

Also, folks have to get rid of their thinking that a 1590 gives their kid an edge over a 1580 or even a 1500 (probably). MIT requires test scores once again, but they stress over, and over, and over that once you hit their threshold, they don't care about the marginal differences. They actually will ding an applicant that scores say a 1550...and then takes the SAT again. Why? Because they should have been doing something more productive with their time since they already cleared the threshold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was reading these posts about the Ivy League/Stanford not taking as many TJ grads. The trend is clear and it should not be surprising given the decision of the Ivy League and Stanford (and many other elite colleges) to go test optional, and to take at least 1/3 or so of their admissions classes from HS graduates who don't report (aka they don't want to report) their SAT/ACT scores.

The reason these schools have gone test optional started with Covid, but it has continued with the Harvard Supreme Court case alleging that Harvard is discriminating against Asian students in admissions decisions. The primary evidence against Harvard is SAT scores. Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League anticipate losing this case and they know that the only way for them to continue to racially balance their classes without being sued again is to deemphasize standardized tests.

Why? Because whites and especially Asians, ON AVERAGE, score significantly higher than Blacks and non-white white Hispanics on standardized tests. The assumption of these schools and their administrators is that these tests must somehow be racist against these low-scoring groups. This Ivy trend of deemphasizing testing has been going on for years.

Because the TJ classes of this year and past years were required to take standardized tests to be admitted to TJ, and have historically scored well on these tests, their historical admittance rates to these top schools were based on their high test scores. With these scores being deemphasized, the TJ admittance rates to top schools have been falling.

But not all colleges are playing along with this Ivy League trend of deemphasizing standardized tests and bypassing TJ grads. The University of Chicago in particular has stepped into the breach and is taking as many if not more TJ students than it dis historically.

Word is there are at least 15 TJHSST University of Chicago admits this year and their were 14/15 last year. One of the TJ parents heard directly from an admissions officer at UC that they are aware of the current trend of Ivy League freezing out TJ grads (and grads from other magnet schools) and are specifically focusing on grabbing up these top students.

It shouldn't be that surprising as University of Chicago has historically, placed a high emphasis on standardized tests. The college with the highest average SAT/ACT scores is not MIT or Caltech, and certainly not Harvard, or Yale or Princeton but instead the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago's decision should not be completely surprising given its history. In particular, in the early part of the 20th century Chicago refused to play along with the Ivy league and their self-imposed "Jewish quota" effort to boycott admitting Jewish HS graduates, with the University of Chicago taking many brilliant Jewish students that the Ivy League passed over.

You have to appreciate that even if Chicago has the highest average, it is only like 10 or 20 points...especially, since the TO schools are only getting super-high test scores from kids that report.

Also, folks have to get rid of their thinking that a 1590 gives their kid an edge over a 1580 or even a 1500 (probably). MIT requires test scores once again, but they stress over, and over, and over that once you hit their threshold, they don't care about the marginal differences. They actually will ding an applicant that scores say a 1550...and then takes the SAT again. Why? Because they should have been doing something more productive with their time since they already cleared the threshold.

Source for this MIT practice? you make up?

[Anonymous]

What is the MIT threshold?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was reading these posts about the Ivy League/Stanford not taking as many TJ grads. The trend is clear and it should not be surprising given the decision of the Ivy League and Stanford (and many other elite colleges) to go test optional, and to take at least 1/3 or so of their admissions classes from HS graduates who don't report (aka they don't want to report) their SAT/ACT scores.

The reason these schools have gone test optional started with Covid, but it has continued with the Harvard Supreme Court case alleging that Harvard is discriminating against Asian students in admissions decisions. The primary evidence against Harvard is SAT scores. Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League anticipate losing this case and they know that the only way for them to continue to racially balance their classes without being sued again is to deemphasize standardized tests.

Why? Because whites and especially Asians, ON AVERAGE, score significantly higher than Blacks and non-white white Hispanics on standardized tests. The assumption of these schools and their administrators is that these tests must somehow be racist against these low-scoring groups. This Ivy trend of deemphasizing testing has been going on for years.

Because the TJ classes of this year and past years were required to take standardized tests to be admitted to TJ, and have historically scored well on these tests, their historical admittance rates to these top schools were based on their high test scores. With these scores being deemphasized, the TJ admittance rates to top schools have been falling.

But not all colleges are playing along with this Ivy League trend of deemphasizing standardized tests and bypassing TJ grads. The University of Chicago in particular has stepped into the breach and is taking as many if not more TJ students than it dis historically.

Word is there are at least 15 TJHSST University of Chicago admits this year and their were 14/15 last year. One of the TJ parents heard directly from an admissions officer at UC that they are aware of the current trend of Ivy League freezing out TJ grads (and grads from other magnet schools) and are specifically focusing on grabbing up these top students.

It shouldn't be that surprising as University of Chicago has historically, placed a high emphasis on standardized tests. The college with the highest average SAT/ACT scores is not MIT or Caltech, and certainly not Harvard, or Yale or Princeton but instead the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago's decision should not be completely surprising given its history. In particular, in the early part of the 20th century Chicago refused to play along with the Ivy league and their self-imposed "Jewish quota" effort to boycott admitting Jewish HS graduates, with the University of Chicago taking many brilliant Jewish students that the Ivy League passed over.

Perhaps it wouldn't be an issue if every TJ kid weren't applying to be a CS major. Maybe it is true that the ivy's are imposing a quota on magnet students but that doesn't explain why UVA acceptances are down too. Off course these kids are well qualified to be admitted in any school but it is too simplistic of an argument to say Test Optional is the reason why these kids aren't being admitted to ivys.

College admission process is broken and that not just for the magnet school kids or Asian and white kids. It is broken for everyone and has always been broken for the minority communities. And yes SAT scores do not account for the wealth disparity and income inequality that exist between different communities. So making it easier for kids from these communities to be admitted to elite schools is one way to fix that imbalance. If that means my kid has to sacrifice then let it be -

Signed

A TJ parent of an Ivy reject kid with a perfect SAT score.

[Anonymous]

One thing to keep in mind:

80 kids in the class of 2023 and 130 kids in the class of 2024 had their first and last names published by Curie on their Facebook page as students that went through program.

Elite colleges are generally not going love that a student prepped HARD for many years for the old TJ entrance exam.

It would not be shocker if another TJ student or parents sent the Curie list to elite schools anonymously. It seems like an obvious thing that would happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was reading these posts about the Ivy League/Stanford not taking as many TJ grads. The trend is clear and it should not be surprising given the decision of the Ivy League and Stanford (and many other elite colleges) to go test optional, and to take at least 1/3 or so of their admissions classes from HS graduates who don't report (aka they don't want to report) their SAT/ACT scores.

The reason these schools have gone test optional started with Covid, but it has continued with the Harvard Supreme Court case alleging that Harvard is discriminating against Asian students in admissions decisions. The primary evidence against Harvard is SAT scores. Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League anticipate losing this case and they know that the only way for them to continue to racially balance their classes without being sued again is to deemphasize standardized tests.

Why? Because whites and especially Asians, ON AVERAGE, score significantly higher than Blacks and non-white white Hispanics on standardized tests. The assumption of these schools and their administrators is that these tests must somehow be racist against these low-scoring groups. This Ivy trend of deemphasizing testing has been going on for years.

Because the TJ classes of this year and past years were required to take standardized tests to be admitted to TJ, and have historically scored well on these tests, their historical admittance rates to these top schools were based on their high test scores. With these scores being deemphasized, the TJ admittance rates to top schools have been falling.

But not all colleges are playing along with this Ivy League trend of deemphasizing standardized tests and bypassing TJ grads. The University of Chicago in particular has stepped into the breach and is taking as many if not more TJ students than it dis historically.

Word is there are at least 15 TJHSST University of Chicago admits this year and their were 14/15 last year. One of the TJ parents heard directly from an admissions officer at UC that they are aware of the current trend of Ivy League freezing out TJ grads (and grads from other magnet schools) and are specifically focusing on grabbing up these top students.

It shouldn't be that surprising as University of Chicago has historically, placed a high emphasis on standardized tests. The college with the highest average SAT/ACT scores is not MIT or Caltech, and certainly not Harvard, or Yale or Princeton but instead the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago's decision should not be completely surprising given its history. In particular, in the early part of the 20th century Chicago refused to play along with the Ivy league and their self-imposed "Jewish quota" effort to boycott admitting Jewish HS graduates, with the University of Chicago taking many brilliant Jewish students that the Ivy League passed over.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind:

80 kids in the class of 2023 and 130 kids in the class of 2024 had their first and last names published by Curie on their Facebook page as students that went through program.

Elite colleges are generally not going love that a student prepped HARD for many years for the old TJ entrance exam.

It would not be shocker if another TJ student or parents sent the Curie list to elite schools anonymously. It seems like an obvious thing that would happen.

'Elite colleges' couldn't give 2 shits about this! Are you suggesting they would rather have made up ECs, parent-funded charities and travel pickle ball tournaments? Come to think of it, maybe they do..