Summer swim kids swimming in “wrong” age group

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Anonymous wrote:The chair of the NVSL rules committee has a child who was league age 9 in both the 2011 and 2012 summer seasons.

That was a decade ago, why are folks so upset about that now? That kid has either aged out or is going to age out soon. Unless the that kid is still swimming as a 9 yo in 2022. If so, then that definitely is a scandal!

I'm not upset about it. Just pointing out another example and how vested interests could have played a role in shaping or maintaining the current rules. The kid was also a double all-star last year after coming back to summer swim following his freshman year at college. As others have pointed out that just doesn't seem right for a league that everyone says is supposedly just for fun. A coach maybe, but a 19 year old about to be a college sophomore taking opportunities from high school kids .. really?

While I think it is silly to change the June 1 date because it is used by so many swim leagues around the country for sake of ease and it was the rule for most of the time NVSL has been in existence, I do agree college swimmers should not come back after their freshman year. A quick google search shows that leagues have language in their rules to prevent this from happening. This is the proposed rule change people should be after.

Regardless of their age, swimmers may not compete in the league after the summer following their graduation from high school.

So the redshirted kid gets to compete? And my kid who spent all his life being the youngest in his grade is out?

When Little League made a similar change they gave kids at max age a one time waiver. If NVSL followed the same sane model the 19 year old college kids could still compete that year. Subsequent 19 year olds would have to move on to other things.

[Anonymous]

This change will make the Little League Baseball Division, also known as the Major Division, truly a 12 and under program – ensuring that no child playing in the Little League/Major Division will turn 13 years old at any point during their final season in that division. The same will be true with the upper age limit at all teenage divisions of Little League Baseball.

What a novel concept.

[Anonymous]

Again…. How do you all know the other kids ages? To the PP that said all the kids on the 8 and under relay were 9 how do u know? I realise it’s not impossible but it’s hard to believe all 4 kids turned 9 after June 1st bit before the end of July.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The chair of the NVSL rules committee has a child who was league age 9 in both the 2011 and 2012 summer seasons.

That was a decade ago, why are folks so upset about that now? That kid has either aged out or is going to age out soon. Unless the that kid is still swimming as a 9 yo in 2022. If so, then that definitely is a scandal!

I'm not upset about it. Just pointing out another example and how vested interests could have played a role in shaping or maintaining the current rules. The kid was also a double all-star last year after coming back to summer swim following his freshman year at college. As others have pointed out that just doesn't seem right for a league that everyone says is supposedly just for fun. A coach maybe, but a 19 year old about to be a college sophomore taking opportunities from high school kids .. really?

While I think it is silly to change the June 1 date because it is used by so many swim leagues around the country for sake of ease and it was the rule for most of the time NVSL has been in existence, I do agree college swimmers should not come back after their freshman year. A quick google search shows that leagues have language in their rules to prevent this from happening. This is the proposed rule change people should be after.

Regardless of their age, swimmers may not compete in the league after the summer following their graduation from high school.

So the redshirted kid gets to compete? And my kid who spent all his life being the youngest in his grade is out?

It is absurd for a rising college sophomore to be competing in a rec swim league for kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again…. How do you all know the other kids ages? To the PP that said all the kids on the 8 and under relay were 9 how do u know? I realise it’s not impossible but it’s hard to believe all 4 kids turned 9 after June 1st bit before the end of July.

I know because we celebrate team birthdays, their parents put their birthday wishes on FB, they were in the sane grade as my 9 year old Feb birthday son, and because newly turned 9 year olds aren't shy about announcing to everyone they're REALLY nine, not 8. It's not sone deep dark secret.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The chair of the NVSL rules committee has a child who was league age 9 in both the 2011 and 2012 summer seasons.

That was a decade ago, why are folks so upset about that now? That kid has either aged out or is going to age out soon. Unless the that kid is still swimming as a 9 yo in 2022. If so, then that definitely is a scandal!

I'm not upset about it. Just pointing out another example and how vested interests could have played a role in shaping or maintaining the current rules. The kid was also a double all-star last year after coming back to summer swim following his freshman year at college. As others have pointed out that just doesn't seem right for a league that everyone says is supposedly just for fun. A coach maybe, but a 19 year old about to be a college sophomore taking opportunities from high school kids .. really?

While I think it is silly to change the June 1 date because it is used by so many swim leagues around the country for sake of ease and it was the rule for most of the time NVSL has been in existence, I do agree college swimmers should not come back after their freshman year. A quick google search shows that leagues have language in their rules to prevent this from happening. This is the proposed rule change people should be after.

Regardless of their age, swimmers may not compete in the league after the summer following their graduation from high school.

So the redshirted kid gets to compete? And my kid who spent all his life being the youngest in his grade is out?

Those redshirted kids are few and far between who both swim AND swim competitively and well.

[Anonymous]

I skipped a grade and turned 18 in March of my freshman year of college. Why can’t I compete as an 18 year old in an 18 and under league? Not a 19 year old, or even an old 18 year old. I was a year and a half younger than most of my classmates - grew later, drove later, etc. Let me have this one thing!

[Anonymous]

I am just laughing that there are 19 pages about a few weeks of age - you all are freaking crazy and stupid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I skipped a grade and turned 18 in March of my freshman year of college. Why can’t I compete as an 18 year old in an 18 and under league? Not a 19 year old, or even an old 18 year old. I was a year and a half younger than most of my classmates - grew later, drove later, etc. Let me have this one thing!

So as a college sophomore you would have wanted to spend your summer participating in summer swim with a group of high school kids and younger, none of whom were your classmates? Sure

[Anonymous]

It is common to come back to participate for their final year. Our team gladly welcomes them! Why shouldn't they get to compete until 18? Sometimes these kids also coach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I skipped a grade and turned 18 in March of my freshman year of college. Why can’t I compete as an 18 year old in an 18 and under league? Not a 19 year old, or even an old 18 year old. I was a year and a half younger than most of my classmates - grew later, drove later, etc. Let me have this one thing!

So as a college sophomore you would have wanted to spend your summer participating in summer swim with a group of high school kids and younger, none of whom were your classmates? Sure

My kid has a bad swim bday so this isn’t even my kid I’m talking about, BUT…I could see kids wanting to do this. Here’s how it plays out on our team:

- kid is 17 and goes to college, including swimming in college
- kid returns after a year of college and is an assistant coach on our summer swim team
- kid also swims at meets, where she is anyway for work and where she’s getting paid to be
- kid knows the whole team as both a teammate over many years + from assistant coaching

[Anonymous]

It’s the 18 year olds who go off to college and then come back as 19 year olds that people are mostly complaining about. I personally wouldn’t see a problem with the rare case of someone who skipped a grade or something and was still 18 at the end of the summer following a year in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I skipped a grade and turned 18 in March of my freshman year of college. Why can’t I compete as an 18 year old in an 18 and under league? Not a 19 year old, or even an old 18 year old. I was a year and a half younger than most of my classmates - grew later, drove later, etc. Let me have this one thing!

So as a college sophomore you would have wanted to spend your summer participating in summer swim with a group of high school kids and younger, none of whom were your classmates? Sure

My kid has a bad swim bday so this isn’t even my kid I’m talking about, BUT…I could see kids wanting to do this. Here’s how it plays out on our team:

- kid is 17 and goes to college, including swimming in college
- kid returns after a year of college and is an assistant coach on our summer swim team
- kid also swims at meets, where she is anyway for work and where she’s getting paid to be
- kid knows the whole team as both a teammate over many years + from assistant coaching

No collegiate swimmer should be competing in summer rec swim that is meant for kids. If they want to come back and be an assistant coach, awesome, but competing against the kids, absolutely not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s the 18 year olds who go off to college and then come back as 19 year olds that people are mostly complaining about. I personally wouldn’t see a problem with the rare case of someone who skipped a grade or something and was still 18 at the end of the summer following a year in college.

Except that doesn't happen. Even the ones who come back after a year in college are 18 when the season starts.

[Anonymous]

Not necessarily. The Amherst kid was already 19 by the time the first meet occurred, which is really when the season starts.